New EcoTech Marine Vectra Return Pump

[805reef]

Just got done watching the live Q&A session. This pump does seem very cool. L1 will be out mid august... I might wait and get it.

[SPotter]

I wasn't able to get on for that. Did they give spec on the inlet/outlets?

[Barracuda]

L1 = 2 in. suction / 1.5 in. discharge

M1 = 1.5 in. suction / 1.0 in. discharge

[SPotter]

Originally Posted by Barracuda

L1 = 2 in. suction / 1.5 in. discharge

M1 = 1.5 in. suction / 1.0 in. discharge

Perfect!!!!

[sbarkey]

Did they discuss compatibility with WXM modules at all? What about ramping speeds?

[gcarroll]

Originally Posted by sbarkey

Did they discuss compatibility with WXM modules at all? What about ramping speeds?

In my opinion this pump is a game changer. I have no idea why anyone would want to use this pump using the WXM module. With seeing all the features that are available via eco-smart live, I think even companies like Neptune and digital aquatics, should be worried.

[gcarroll]

And I think it's completely obvious that Ecotech is monitoring this thread!

[acesq]

Steve: The L1 inlet and outlet are reduced one size if you use the included adapter. The rep said that reducing the output had little effect on performance. The Q&A was great. These pumps hold alot of promise not so much because of the performance, although the quiet drive tech may make them quieter than even other DC pumps (.5 db over ambient!!) but because of the smart tech built into the controller. It monitors the pump temperature real time and has an input for proprietary float switches! The thing will also monitor back pressure and compensate to maintain flow -- this could be a game changer for herbie users who are constantly adjusting the siphon to keep the noise down.

[805reef]

Originally Posted by gcarroll

In my opinion this pump is a game changer. I have no idea why anyone would want to use this pump using the WXM module. With seeing all the features that are available via eco-smart live, I think even companies like Neptune and digital aquatics, should be worried.

+1 I am an apex guy, don't own reeflink mp40s or radions, but if I get this I will be jumping on the reeflink train.

And I'm about 90% sure that I am getting the L1 at this point... just waiting to see the flow chart so see how much it can pump out at 6ft head

[kewadiak]

Originally Posted by SPotter

Perfect!!!!

Which one are you thinking for your closed loop?

[SPotter]

Originally Posted by kewadiak

Which one are you thinking for your closed loop?

Since my closed loops are 2" drains and 1.5" outlet to my om4's I'll go with the L1. I'd like to see how thick the material is that they used for threaded inlet/outlet. I heard too many horror stories about jebaos cracking.

[sbarkey]

Originally Posted by gcarroll

In my opinion this pump is a game changer. I have no idea why anyone would want to use this pump using the WXM module. With seeing all the features that are available via eco-smart live, I think even companies like Neptune and digital aquatics, should be worried.

I have ETM hardware and use a WXM because I see value in full system integration provided by the Apex. Until eco-smart can do all the features a full tank controllers can do, I don't think either Neptune or DA should be worried. Perhaps their ETM compatible module sales will drop, but only from those willing to run totally isolated solutions on their tank. Without an Apex, I can absolutely see value in the eco-smart live solution.

Also, to answer your question about the WXM compatibility need, people with existing ETM hardware and WXM may like to integrate a CL system with their existing equipment.

Originally Posted by 805reef

+1 I am an apex guy, don't own reeflink mp40s or radions, but if I get this I will be jumping on the reeflink train.

And I'm about 90% sure that I am getting the L1 at this point... just waiting to see the flow chart so see how much it can pump out at 6ft head

So, they did not discuss compatibility with WXM?

[kewadiak]

Originally Posted by SPotter

Since my closed loops are 2" drains and 1.5" outlet to my om4's I'll go with the L1. I'd like to see how thick the material is that they used for threaded inlet/outlet. I heard too many horror stories about jebaos cracking.

I was thinking the same, 2 inch true union valves are probably about the size and weight of this pump lol. And the 1 1/2 are not much smaller.

[slief]

What about fast ramping for closed loop applications? Was that discussed as well and if so, what's the verdict?

[gcarroll]

Here is what was discussed. Feel free to add if you want.

Smartest return pump on the market!
Development started even before the Radion

Very different inside from other pumps:
24v vs 36v coil for increased efficiency,
reduced heat through the components
thermal sensor
ceramic ferrite magnet
battery back-up compatible
smart switches: optical switches, liquid level switches, multiple liquid level switches all programmable via Eco-Smart Live (ESL)
90% of features available right out of box

ESL:
Return pump mode: the pump is aware of various head pressures current draw, and flow
Closed loop mode: constant speed, reef crest random, lagoon random, gyre mode
Only pump that can be calibrated for your system: can set maximum speed so you don’t accidently overflow your tank, can set minimum speed so water just trickles over the overflow
Feed mode will hold water level at minimum so food will stay in the tank and won’t have the flow of detritus when it returns to normal
Storm mode will increase flow on pump when MP pumps are in storm mode to get the detritus into the sump
Self cleaning mode to get detritus out of the pipes and back flush them into the sump

Notifications:
Will be able to tell you if your power supply is beginning to go bad, something stuck in the impellor, ect…..

May be offering a needlewheel pump, Small (S1?), and Extra Large (XL1?) pump in the future
Pump is utterly silent
You don’t have to use the quick coupler. It can be hard plumbed with standard PVC couplers
Battery backup compatible however length of time it will run is based on head pressure of the system and how you set it to run on back-up mode

Heat transfer:
All power put into pump goes into heat (He did mention that they may lose 10 or so watts through inefficiency of the controller)
Less heat if used externally

Minimal vibration and should not need additional dampening.
L1 – 2” input, 1 ½” output (with quick coupler 1 ½” slip input, 1” slip output)
M1 – 1 ½”, input, 1 ¼” output (with quick coupler 1“ slip input, ¾” slip output)
Will offer other additional quick coupler fittings like barb and others

Ecotech Marine beer available at the MACNA booth
Jake adds it taste just like the Reef Builders beer

[MEDIA=youtube]xsIDP67SWfs[/MEDIA]
www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsIDP67SWfs

[acesq]

Originally Posted by slief

What about fast ramping for closed loop applications? Was that discussed as well and if so, what's the verdict?

The video is posted on ************, but the short answer is they have a umber of programs for closed loop applications, but I don't recall any mention of fast ramping. That would make creating a wave all but impossible, but I've not found that important in my closed loop application since my outlets are all pointing in different directions.

[acesq]

durn filter. You know, Jake's site.

[acesq]

Originally Posted by gcarroll

Here is what was discussed. Feel free to add if you want.

Smartest return pump on the market!
Development started even before the Radion

Very different inside from other pumps:
24v vs 36v coil for increased efficiency,
reduced heat through the components
thermal sensor
ceramic ferrite magnet
battery back-up compatible
smart switches: optical switches, liquid level switches, multiple liquid level switches all programmable via Eco-Smart Live (ESL)
90% of features available right out of box

ESL:
Return pump mode: the pump is aware of various head pressures current draw, and flow
Closed loop mode: constant speed, reef crest random, lagoon random, gyre mode
Only pump that can be calibrated for your system: can set maximum speed so you don’t accidently overflow your tank, can set minimum speed so water just trickles over the overflow
Feed mode will hold water level at minimum so food will stay in the tank and won’t have the flow of detritus when it returns to normal
Storm mode will increase flow on pump when MP pumps are in storm mode to get the detritus into the sump
Self cleaning mode to get detritus out of the pipes and back flush them into the sump

Notifications:
Will be able to tell you if your power supply is beginning to go bad, something stuck in the impellor, ect…..

May be offering a needlewheel pump, Small (S1?), and Extra Large (XL1?) pump in the future
Pump is utterly silent
You don’t have to use the quick coupler. It can be hard plumbed with standard PVC couplers
Battery backup compatible however length of time it will run is based on head pressure of the system and how you set it to run on back-up mode

Heat transfer:
All power put into pump goes into heat (He did mention that they may lose 10 or so watts through inefficiency of the controller)
Less heat if used externally

Minimal vibration and should not need additional dampening.
L1 – 2” input, 1 ½” output (with quick coupler 1 ½” slip input, 1” slip output)
M1 – 1 ½”, input, 1 ¼” output (with quick coupler 1“ slip input, ¾” slip output)
Will offer other additional quick coupler fittings like barb and others

Ecotech Marine beer available at the MACNA booth
Jake adds it taste just like the Reef Builders beer

[MEDIA=youtube]xsIDP67SWfs[/MEDIA]

Perfect!

[gcarroll]

Originally Posted by sbarkey

Until eco-smart can do all the features a full tank controllers can do, I don't think either Neptune or DA should be worried.

Add a pH probe and ORP probe and its a controller! That's why they should be worried. It already controls your lights, flow pumps and return pumps. Folks this is Apple 2.0. At some point it will just be easier to buy into the whole Ecotech Marine ecosystem.

And with that I bet Tim Marks has a big grin on his face!!!

[sbarkey]

Originally Posted by gcarroll

Add a pH probe and ORP probe and its a controller! That's why they should be worried. It already controls your lights, flow pumps and return pumps. Folks this is Apple 2.0. At some point it will just be easier to buy into the whole Ecotech Marine ecosystem.



And with that I bet Tim Marks has a big grin on his face!!!

What about non ETM pump compatibility, Salinity monitoring, dosing pumps, and so much more that today's controllers can do?

I'm not for a second saying the feature set of ESL is not impressive, I'm simply stating that I would not consider the other companies doomed at this point.

[sbarkey]

Originally Posted by gcarroll

Here is what was discussed. Feel free to add if you want.

Smartest return pump on the market!
Development started even before the Radion

Very different inside from other pumps:
24v vs 36v coil for increased efficiency,
reduced heat through the components
thermal sensor
ceramic ferrite magnet
battery back-up compatible
smart switches: optical switches, liquid level switches, multiple liquid level switches all programmable via Eco-Smart Live (ESL)
90% of features available right out of box

ESL:
Return pump mode: the pump is aware of various head pressures current draw, and flow
Closed loop mode: constant speed, reef crest random, lagoon random, gyre mode
Only pump that can be calibrated for your system: can set maximum speed so you don’t accidently overflow your tank, can set minimum speed so water just trickles over the overflow
Feed mode will hold water level at minimum so food will stay in the tank and won’t have the flow of detritus when it returns to normal
Storm mode will increase flow on pump when MP pumps are in storm mode to get the detritus into the sump
Self cleaning mode to get detritus out of the pipes and back flush them into the sump

Notifications:
Will be able to tell you if your power supply is beginning to go bad, something stuck in the impellor, ect…..

May be offering a needlewheel pump, Small (S1?), and Extra Large (XL1?) pump in the future
Pump is utterly silent
You don’t have to use the quick coupler. It can be hard plumbed with standard PVC couplers
Battery backup compatible however length of time it will run is based on head pressure of the system and how you set it to run on back-up mode

Heat transfer:
All power put into pump goes into heat (He did mention that they may lose 10 or so watts through inefficiency of the controller)
Less heat if used externally

Minimal vibration and should not need additional dampening.
L1 – 2” input, 1 ½” output (with quick coupler 1 ½” slip input, 1” slip output)
M1 – 1 ½”, input, 1 ¼” output (with quick coupler 1“ slip input, ¾” slip output)
Will offer other additional quick coupler fittings like barb and others

Ecotech Marine beer available at the MACNA booth
Jake adds it taste just like the Reef Builders beer

[MEDIA=youtube]xsIDP67SWfs[/MEDIA]
www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsIDP67SWfs

Thank you good sir! Now I know what I'll be doing in a little bit!

[SPotter]

In pretty much sold on it!!!

[zachfishman]

Waiting for those flow curves...

[sbarkey]

Originally Posted by slief

What about fast ramping for closed loop applications? Was that discussed as well and if so, what's the verdict?

Not sure if this helps your question but at the 20:45 minute mark, he mentions you can "ramp the speed of the pump reasonably quickly" for the purpose of a self cleaning mode.

Perhaps that feature currently or in the future will bleed over into other features!

[tigger2577]

Originally Posted by gcarroll

Here is what was discussed. Feel free to add if you want.

Smartest return pump on the market!
Development started even before the Radion

Very different inside from other pumps:
24v vs 36v coil for increased efficiency,
reduced heat through the components
thermal sensor
ceramic ferrite magnet
battery back-up compatible
smart switches: optical switches, liquid level switches, multiple liquid level switches all programmable via Eco-Smart Live (ESL)
90% of features available right out of box

ESL:
Return pump mode: the pump is aware of various head pressures current draw, and flow
Closed loop mode: constant speed, reef crest random, lagoon random, gyre mode
Only pump that can be calibrated for your system: can set maximum speed so you don’t accidently overflow your tank, can set minimum speed so water just trickles over the overflow
Feed mode will hold water level at minimum so food will stay in the tank and won’t have the flow of detritus when it returns to normal
Storm mode will increase flow on pump when MP pumps are in storm mode to get the detritus into the sump
Self cleaning mode to get detritus out of the pipes and back flush them into the sump

Notifications:
Will be able to tell you if your power supply is beginning to go bad, something stuck in the impellor, ect…..

May be offering a needlewheel pump, Small (S1?), and Extra Large (XL1?) pump in the future
Pump is utterly silent
You don’t have to use the quick coupler. It can be hard plumbed with standard PVC couplers
Battery backup compatible however length of time it will run is based on head pressure of the system and how you set it to run on back-up mode

Heat transfer:
All power put into pump goes into heat (He did mention that they may lose 10 or so watts through inefficiency of the controller)
Less heat if used externally

Minimal vibration and should not need additional dampening.
L1 – 2” input, 1 ½” output (with quick coupler 1 ½” slip input, 1” slip output)
M1 – 1 ½”, input, 1 ¼” output (with quick coupler 1“ slip input, ¾” slip output)
Will offer other additional quick coupler fittings like barb and others

Ecotech Marine beer available at the MACNA booth
Jake adds it taste just like the Reef Builders beer

[MEDIA=youtube]xsIDP67SWfs[/MEDIA]
www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsIDP67SWfs

You forgot storm mode. This will work together with vortex and lights.