Pictures of Bomber's barebottom SPS tank and related equipment - Page 6

Bomber · 01/06/2004, 06:22 PM

Guys you need to check on glueing starboard, I think there's only certain glues that will work.

and no, the fish don't care.

musicsmaker · 01/06/2004, 10:15 PM

Do you think that the high flow rates you are after could over time weaken the seals on the tank?

Bomber · 01/07/2004, 06:32 AM

It's no where near enough flow to do that mm.

Scleractinian · 01/08/2004, 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bomber
Guys you need to check on glueing starboard, I think there's only certain glues that will work.

and no, the fish don't care.

I'm 99% sure that Starboard is HDPE... if so... no gluing. I believe it's usually heat welded.

teknopanda · 01/14/2004, 04:31 PM

i'm too exhausted to read all the starboard related threads anymore. i just did 30 pages so i'm going to ask this question even if it has been asked and answered. forgiveness please.

in your latest pictures, bomber, the white starboard is relatively clear of corraline algae. is that right? nanorjfj (sp?) can you attribute that to the fact that you are using a white board instead of a dark colored board. makes me think of how our powerheads immediately get covered in corralline. must be a correlation there?

discocarp · 01/14/2004, 04:42 PM

I've had white starboard (cutting board anyway) in my tank since 12/9/03 and its already getting coraline spots all over it. Not a single spot on the glass yet, but the starboard is loaded. Even faster than the powerheads!

Peter

robitreef · 01/14/2004, 05:14 PM

Bomber, this may have been asked already so I apologize beforehand, but are all your fish from the Carribean? What about the acro's and the brains? Are they the Carribean variety?

teknopanda · 01/14/2004, 05:54 PM

discocarp

Quote:

I've had white starboard (cutting board anyway) in my tank since 12/9/03 and its already getting coraline spots all over it. Not a single spot on the glass yet, but the starboard is loaded. Even faster than the powerheads!

Ok that's great. I guess bomber is preventing coralline growth in his tank. I'll definitely go with white board for its reflective capabilities.

teknopanda · 01/14/2004, 06:00 PM

oh scratch that. i see some coralline on bomber's starboard.

wastwage · 01/14/2004, 06:15 PM

He cant stop the corraline see it on the starboard

teknopanda · 01/14/2004, 06:19 PM

yes you're right. i looked at the pics at 4am and was so tired i didn't notice the coralline. yes reef keeping makes for odd sleeping hours.

for all those considering acrylic, i guarantee it will warp. i made acrylic dividers for my sump and they are all warped now. i used to have a 50g acrylic truvu tank and the top was warped from a mixture of condensation (evap water) and heat from lights.

teknopanda · 01/14/2004, 06:19 PM

BOMBER:

why does your tank only need 2 hours of MH lighting? Can you please explain in more detail? I'd love to save some money on the electricity bill that way too.

Bomber · 01/15/2004, 07:45 AM

I have two very large full grown urchins that love coralline.

Tek, These corals don't need point source light, but I turn the halides on just to make sure they get photosaturation.

Shoestring Reefer · 01/15/2004, 12:16 PM

What are your nitrate levels, and how do you prefer to controll them?

I ask because I'm thinking about ditching my DSB. It's a pain.

Rick Davis · 01/15/2004, 03:21 PM

Looking good Jerel

Now when someone asks what wet skimming is you can show them a pic.

BTW, do you run the UV for parasite control since you use NSW for water changes?

Zoom · 01/15/2004, 03:41 PM

I seen in your sump pictures that you have no bulkheads thru the sump to feed your pumps.
Looks like to me that you have PVC tube over the top of your sump and it goes to the bottom of your sump and feeds your skimmer pump.
Do you ever have problem losing siphon to your pumps ?
I like to plum a pump that way for my 90G for the skimmer, it will be better than a submersible pump that is running on now.
I was thinking to do that with a Tee on the top and a plug so i can prime the pump at first or when i clean it.

Bomber · 01/15/2004, 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Shoestring Reefer
What are your nitrate levels, and how do you prefer to controll them?

I really don't know. Someone named Hab gave me this stupid test kit and all it does is read zero. I think it's called SillyFart or something like that.

Shoe, where do nitrates come from? If you don't leave anything in the tank to rot, you don't have them.

Quote:

Originally posted by Rick Davis
Looking good Jerel
Now when someone asks what wet skimming is you can show them a pic.
BTW, do you run the UV for parasite control since you use NSW for water changes?

Thank you Sir!

LOL we can both thank Greg. He knows how to do all that photo stuff.

I'm running the UV for several reasons. For instance, Jay was here a few weeks ago and we went out and collected a whole harem of neons - disease control. All of the coral chemical warfare chemicals are highly sensitive to UV and photo-degrade almost instantly. Most organically bound phosphates are also highly reactive to UV, UV breaks them into ortho-phosphates and they can then be blown off by the skimmer. Water clarity - it's like there's no water in the tank. And a few other reasons too.

Quote:

Originally posted by Zoom
I seen in your sump pictures that you have no bulkheads thru the sump to feed your pumps.

They're all "up and over", I don't trust bulkheads and it seems that every time I drill one - I get something different and it doesn't fit anymore. They never lose prime, they're under water.

Shoestring Reefer · 01/15/2004, 05:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bomber
I really don't know. Someone named Hab gave me this stupid test kit and all it does is read zero. I think it's called SillyFart or something like that.

Shoe, where do nitrates come from? If you don't leave anything in the tank to rot, you don't have them.

I agree totally; the thing is, when I blast a piece of LR with a turkey baster, I get quite a good cloud of stuff. I'm not really sure how clean LR should be, or if I should just jeave it alone. I'm talking about detritus inside the LR, not on the surface.

In your opinion, will the LR "take care of itself" so blowing it out is not required, or should it be blown out so all the detritus can be removed from the tank?

Bomber · 01/15/2004, 06:14 PM

I would blow the rocks out as good as you can when ever you think it needs it. Can't hurt.

I don't know about you, but when I let detritus build up I get phosphates not nitrates - immediately followed by green glass - which is followed by hair algae.

I think nitrates still get the blame from the old days when nitrates were blamed for everything. Only because people couldn't test for organic phosphates. When they would see hair algae, etc they would test for nitrates and nitrates would be elevated, even if just a little. Truth is, elevated nitrates are associated with elevated organics = phosphates.

DonJasper · 01/15/2004, 06:17 PM

Sorry if this has already been discussed - if so I couldn't find it.

Other than jawfish - what other common saltwater animals would be inappropriate for a bare bottomed setup? I'm guessing most (all) inverts? Most (all) softies?

Please accept this in the good nature that it's intended - but I guess any fish take with a coral or two in it is considered a 'reef' tank huh?

Bomber · 01/15/2004, 06:24 PM

Don, you say most inverts and most softies, why? Most don't care one way or the other. Did you know that conch are raised barebottom and only see sand when you guys buy them?

The only thing that needs sand are animals that use it for direct habitat. For instance, anemones that burrow, worms that live in the sand, pistol shrimp (only if you want to see them make a tunnel, if not, they don't care), etc.

DonJasper · 01/15/2004, 06:54 PM

LOL!!! Because I don't know any better.

DonJasper · 01/16/2004, 11:12 AM

FYI - having time to ponder. The question about inappropriate creatures was based more on a misunderstanding about StarBoard Reef and 'bare bottom' tanks. I thought that bare bottomed tanks was something new. I mistook the design of Starboard Reef to be a typical example of this new fangled technique.

(sigh) Guess I'm getting a little old . . .

Shoestring Reefer · 01/17/2004, 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bomber
Don, you say most inverts and most softies, why? Most don't care one way or the other. Did you know that conch are raised barebottom and only see sand when you guys buy them?

Ok, now you really got my interest. I'll have to check out how to care for them with a BB, because my conch is the only thing keeping my sand bed around at this point.

Bomber · 01/17/2004, 01:01 PM

Shoe

Here's a picture from the Turks Farm, sorry we don't have one of ours here online. But, you can see how they are raised.

01/06/2004, 10:15 PM	#127
musicsmaker Premium Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Ravenna, OH Posts: 3,059	Do you think that the high flow rates you are after could over time weaken the seals on the tank? __________________ "The best threads rest with The Ancients..." - The Ancients.

01/14/2004, 04:31 PM	#130
teknopanda Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: bay area, ca Posts: 370	i'm too exhausted to read all the starboard related threads anymore. i just did 30 pages so i'm going to ask this question even if it has been asked and answered. forgiveness please. in your latest pictures, bomber, the white starboard is relatively clear of corraline algae. is that right? nanorjfj (sp?) can you attribute that to the fact that you are using a white board instead of a dark colored board. makes me think of how our powerheads immediately get covered in corralline. must be a correlation there? __________________ 75 gallon AGA tank with corner overflow black lacquer stand 20g long sump

01/14/2004, 06:00 PM	#134
teknopanda Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: bay area, ca Posts: 370	oh scratch that. i see some coralline on bomber's starboard. __________________ 75 gallon AGA tank with corner overflow black lacquer stand 20g long sump

01/14/2004, 06:19 PM	#136
teknopanda Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: bay area, ca Posts: 370	yes you're right. i looked at the pics at 4am and was so tired i didn't notice the coralline. yes reef keeping makes for odd sleeping hours. for all those considering acrylic, i guarantee it will warp. i made acrylic dividers for my sump and they are all warped now. i used to have a 50g acrylic truvu tank and the top was warped from a mixture of condensation (evap water) and heat from lights. __________________ 75 gallon AGA tank with corner overflow black lacquer stand 20g long sump

01/14/2004, 06:19 PM	#137
teknopanda Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: bay area, ca Posts: 370	BOMBER: why does your tank only need 2 hours of MH lighting? Can you please explain in more detail? I'd love to save some money on the electricity bill that way too. __________________ 75 gallon AGA tank with corner overflow black lacquer stand 20g long sump

01/06/2004, 06:22 PM	#126
Bomber 10 & Over Club Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Florida Keys Posts: 10,550	Guys you need to check on glueing starboard, I think there's only certain glues that will work. and no, the fish don't care.

01/07/2004, 06:32 AM	#128
Bomber 10 & Over Club Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Florida Keys Posts: 10,550	It's no where near enough flow to do that mm.

01/14/2004, 04:42 PM	#131
discocarp Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Winter Park, FL Posts: 2,707	I've had white starboard (cutting board anyway) in my tank since 12/9/03 and its already getting coraline spots all over it. Not a single spot on the glass yet, but the starboard is loaded. Even faster than the powerheads! Peter

01/14/2004, 05:14 PM	#132
robitreef Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Chicago Posts: 440	Bomber, this may have been asked already so I apologize beforehand, but are all your fish from the Carribean? What about the acro's and the brains? Are they the Carribean variety?

01/14/2004, 06:15 PM	#135
wastwage Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Florida,Panhandle Posts: 381	He cant stop the corraline see it on the starboard

01/15/2004, 07:45 AM	#138
Bomber 10 & Over Club Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Florida Keys Posts: 10,550	I have two very large full grown urchins that love coralline. Tek, These corals don't need point source light, but I turn the halides on just to make sure they get photosaturation.

01/15/2004, 12:16 PM	#139
Shoestring Reefer Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Westerly, RI Posts: 4,989	What are your nitrate levels, and how do you prefer to controll them? I ask because I'm thinking about ditching my DSB. It's a pain. __________________ Mike Reefcentral Folding@Home team 37251 - Click my little red house to learn more and help medical science! Current Tank Info: 2, 20-gal low tech tanks

01/15/2004, 03:21 PM	#140
Rick Davis Premium Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Dallas TX Posts: 577 Blog Entries: 1	Looking good Jerel Now when someone asks what wet skimming is you can show them a pic. BTW, do you run the UV for parasite control since you use NSW for water changes? __________________ "It all started with a tidepool in Hawaii..." Current Tank Info: 34G AIO in progress

01/15/2004, 03:41 PM	#141
Zoom Premium Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: S.N.J Posts: 5,706	Bomber I seen in your sump pictures that you have no bulkheads thru the sump to feed your pumps. Looks like to me that you have PVC tube over the top of your sump and it goes to the bottom of your sump and feeds your skimmer pump. Do you ever have problem losing siphon to your pumps ? I like to plum a pump that way for my 90G for the skimmer, it will be better than a submersible pump that is running on now. I was thinking to do that with a Tee on the top and a plug so i can prime the pump at first or when i clean it. Last edited by Zoom; 01/15/2004 at 03:47 PM.

01/15/2004, 06:14 PM	#144
Bomber 10 & Over Club Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Florida Keys Posts: 10,550	I would blow the rocks out as good as you can when ever you think it needs it. Can't hurt. I don't know about you, but when I let detritus build up I get phosphates not nitrates - immediately followed by green glass - which is followed by hair algae. I think nitrates still get the blame from the old days when nitrates were blamed for everything. Only because people couldn't test for organic phosphates. When they would see hair algae, etc they would test for nitrates and nitrates would be elevated, even if just a little. Truth is, elevated nitrates are associated with elevated organics = phosphates.

01/15/2004, 06:17 PM	#145
DonJasper Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Or Posts: 708	Sorry if this has already been discussed - if so I couldn't find it. Other than jawfish - what other common saltwater animals would be inappropriate for a bare bottomed setup? I'm guessing most (all) inverts? Most (all) softies? Please accept this in the good nature that it's intended - but I guess any fish take with a coral or two in it is considered a 'reef' tank huh?

01/15/2004, 06:24 PM	#146
Bomber 10 & Over Club Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Florida Keys Posts: 10,550	Don, you say most inverts and most softies, why? Most don't care one way or the other. Did you know that conch are raised barebottom and only see sand when you guys buy them? The only thing that needs sand are animals that use it for direct habitat. For instance, anemones that burrow, worms that live in the sand, pistol shrimp (only if you want to see them make a tunnel, if not, they don't care), etc.

01/15/2004, 06:54 PM	#147
DonJasper Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Or Posts: 708	LOL!!! Because I don't know any better.

01/16/2004, 11:12 AM	#148
DonJasper Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Or Posts: 708	FYI - having time to ponder. The question about inappropriate creatures was based more on a misunderstanding about StarBoard Reef and 'bare bottom' tanks. I thought that bare bottomed tanks was something new. I mistook the design of Starboard Reef to be a typical example of this new fangled technique. (sigh) Guess I'm getting a little old . . .

01/17/2004, 01:01 PM	#150
Bomber 10 & Over Club Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Florida Keys Posts: 10,550	Shoe Here's a picture from the Turks Farm, sorry we don't have one of ours here online. But, you can see how they are raised.