Official: Masterflex Calcium Reactor Setup Thread - Page 67

ClownsRCoo · 03/10/2016, 04:31 PM

I got my 7523-50 for $550. It's in excellent shape and had 2 heads. I thought about selling 1 and getting some money back but I think I'll keep it as a spare instead. Not the best deal but I don't think it was bad either for a really nice condition digital brushless one.

vhuang168 · 03/10/2016, 04:43 PM

7523-50 is brushed I believe.

ClownsRCoo · 03/10/2016, 04:45 PM

Yeah my bad. I got the 7523-60 10-600 rpm and brushless. I looked at so many my numbers are running together.

vhuang168 · 03/10/2016, 05:06 PM

Yeah I know the feeling

vhuang168 · 03/12/2016, 12:35 AM

Snagged a 7550-30 with 2 77201-60 heads. I believe this hits all the necessary details. Brushless, 600rpm, LS17 head (SS rollers I think).

Chicago · 03/12/2016, 06:27 PM

is 7524-40 a good unit? high performace loader with the unit 77200-62

vhuang168 · 03/12/2016, 07:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chicago

is 7524-40 a good unit? high performace loader with the unit 77200-62

Brushed motor. Rpm range sounds right.

Chicago · 03/12/2016, 07:14 PM

brushed motor not the way to go.. prefer brushless.. right .. thanks

vhuang168 · 03/12/2016, 07:23 PM

Brushed works too, just noisier. Based on my research anyway.

rmchoi · 03/12/2016, 09:32 PM

So happened a two channel Masterflex head came on a brushless pump I bought for my calcium reactor. Ended up using it for AWC. The head is model 77202-60 mounted on a Masterflex 7554-80 brush pump.

Have seen several Masterflex pumps with stacked pump heads for AWC, but didn't know of dual channel heads. The two channel head is small and only slightly larger than a single channel head. The head takes tube size up to L/S 25 (3/16") which is one size smaller than L/S 17 (1/4").

After several test runs, the L/S 25 tubing at 80 rpm will do a 12 gallon water change in 4 hours. For a timer, I use the feed mode on Apex to automate the Masteflex pump start-stop time, set for once a week. The feed made makes it simple to set duration times and schedule the days you want water changes.

Set up pictures:

Since no floor drain or sink close by, the old saltwater discharge line terminates into the side of a nearby drain pipe. For strength, I glued an extra layer of PVC to the side of the drain. Drilled and tapped a 1/4" pipe thread tap to receive the barb adapter.

slief · 03/12/2016, 10:39 PM

Cleaned my Calclum reactor and filled it for the first time in 9 months.Also recalibrated my pH probe which apparently didn't need to be calibrated. Gotta love how maintenance free and stable a good Masterflex pump and a good regulator makes a calcium reactor. After 9 months, my 20 pound Co2 tank is still nearly 80% full.

Here is a graph from my Apex. The consistent flow and the consistent Co2 rate is all that's needed to keep my reactor pH pretty much flatline. My Apex never has to shut the solenoid off and only acts as a fail safe.

Setup is a Geo 818 Calcium Reactor
Carbon Doser regulator
Cale Parmer Masterflex 7523-80 Brushless Pump
24ml/min and 1 bubble every 4.5 seconds
Reborn Media in the main reactor and ARM in the second reactor
Reactor pH of about 6.7 pH.

Absolutely flatline without any Apex intervention. You can see when I serviced it and calibrated the probe by the one and only blip in the pH.

royvoss · 03/16/2016, 06:22 PM

not sure if this is the right place to post,
been running my masterflex (7523-80) for about a month, today i noticed that it was not pumping, checked the pump, had a error code 18, looked in the book, claims it is a watchdog error, program locked up. does any body know what this means , power cycled it, went right back to running like nothing ever happened. not sure if it was outside issue like a power blip or and pump issue.
any insight would be helpfull
thanks

BillFW · 03/16/2016, 10:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by royvoss

not sure if this is the right place to post,
been running my masterflex (7523-80) for about a month, today i noticed that it was not pumping, checked the pump, had a error code 18, looked in the book, claims it is a watchdog error, program locked up. does any body know what this means , power cycled it, went right back to running like nothing ever happened. not sure if it was outside issue like a power blip or and pump issue.
any insight would be helpfull
thanks

A watchdog error is a software issue. Basically something caused the internal computer program to crash. It may be just random or it could be chronic.

royvoss · 03/17/2016, 06:14 AM

thanks, its still running fine as this am,we had t-storms come thru around the time it coded, wonder if there was a power blip,will need to keep an eye on it.

scuzy · 03/17/2016, 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slief

Cleaned my Calclum reactor and filled it for the first time in 9 months.Also recalibrated my pH probe which apparently didn't need to be calibrated. Gotta love how maintenance free and stable a good Masterflex pump and a good regulator makes a calcium reactor. After 9 months, my 20 pound Co2 tank is still nearly 80% full.

Here is a graph from my Apex. The consistent flow and the consistent Co2 rate is all that's needed to keep my reactor pH pretty much flatline. My Apex never has to shut the solenoid off and only acts as a fail safe.

Setup is a Geo 818 Calcium Reactor
Carbon Doser regulator
Cale Parmer Masterflex 7523-80 Brushless Pump
24ml/min and 1 bubble every 4.5 seconds
Reborn Media in the main reactor and ARM in the second reactor
Reactor pH of about 6.7 pH.

Absolutely flatline without any Apex intervention. You can see when I serviced it and calibrated the probe by the one and only blip in the pH.

Can you share your apex programming with the co2 and anything for masterflex?

slief · 03/17/2016, 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scuzy

Can you share your apex programming with the co2 and anything for masterflex?

Sure.. Here is my Apex programming for the Co2 solenoid. As I said before, my Apex never has to intervene those. The pH in my calcium reactor stays pretty much flatline. At 24ml/min flow and 1 bubble every 4.5 seconds, my reactor pH stays at around 6.65.
Co2 Regulator
If CaRxpH > 6.65 Then ON
If CaRxpH < 6.60 Then OFF
If pH < 7.80 Then OFF
If Outlet SumpLow = ON Then OFF
If Outlet Leak_Shed = ON The OFF

Masterflex
Fallback ON
Set ON
If pH < 7.80 Then OFF
If Outlet SumpLow = ON Then OFF
If Outlet Leak_Shed = ON The OFF

Calcium Reactor circulation pump
Fallback ON
Set ON
If pH < 7.80 Then OFF
If Outlet SumpLow = ON Then OFF
If Outlet Leak_Shed = ON The OFF

scuzy · 03/17/2016, 08:50 PM

Mine looks like this for the regulator

Fallback OFF
If CAPH > 6.68 Then ON
If CAPH < 6.48 Then OFF
If pH < 7.70 Then OFF

Is this ok?

slief · 03/17/2016, 09:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scuzy

Mine looks like this for the regulator

Fallback OFF
If CAPH > 6.68 Then ON
If CAPH < 6.48 Then OFF
If pH < 7.70 Then OFF

Is this ok?

Looks fine to me. 6.48 may be kind of low as it will turn a lot of media to mush if your reactor gets that low. That does however depend on the media. Different media has different recommended ranges. That said, you will be using your Masterflex and regulator to maintain the pH level so hopefully your Apex doesn't need to intervene anyway.

hkgar · 03/18/2016, 07:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slief

Looks fine to me. 6.48 may be kind of low as it will turn a lot of media to mush if your reactor gets that low. That does however depend on the media. Different media has different recommended ranges. That said, you will be using your Masterflex and regulator to maintain the pH level so hopefully your Apex doesn't need to intervene anyway.

+1 No need to program regulator on/off was you dial it in. Here is my program for the regulator:

Fallback ON
Set ON
If Outlet CAREACON = ON Then OFF
If CARX_P < 6.50 Then OFF
The Outlet CAREACON is used to shut down all ca reactor programs - regulator, mixing pump and Masterflex pump.

See graph of ph in the reactor here:

https://www.reeftronics.net/graphns....y&member=garyk

vhuang168 · 03/18/2016, 08:09 AM

What does the outlet CAREACON look like? How do you control PH in the reactor?

hkgar · 03/18/2016, 08:38 AM

CAREACON is

Fallback OFF
Set ON

I keep it in the off position and if I need to shut down the reactor I just set it to ON. I do not use the AUTO.

Set your reactor flow to a desired amount and then adjust the ph by either adjusting the bubble rate or the bubble pressure (size). If your ph is too high reduce the bubble rate or lower the bubble pressure and if too low just do the opposite. Monitor the tank ALK and if it is dropping decrease the reactor ph. If it is increasing raise the reactor ph. Do not change the effluent flow rate.

Masterflex program:
Fallback ON
Set ON
If Outlet CAREACON = ON Then OFF

Mixing pump program:
Fallback ON
Set ON
If Outlet CAREACON = ON Then OFF

vhuang168 · 03/18/2016, 09:30 AM

So what happens if your effluent output gets clogged?

Or if the needle valve on the reg leaks and the bubble rate increases causing the PH to drop in the reactor?

The way you have it setup right now, you are just using the Apex as a manual remote on/off switch.

slief · 03/18/2016, 09:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vhuang168

So what happens if your effluent output gets clogged?

Or if the needle valve on the reg leaks and the bubble rate increases causing the PH to drop in the reactor?

The way you have it setup right now, you are just using the Apex as a manual remote on/off switch.

In his Co2 regulator outlet He has: If CARX_P < 6.50 Then OFF which will shut the Co2 OFF automatically if the pH drops in the reactor. With the Masterflex pump, effluent clogs don't happen but if that did occur, the pH would drop and the Apex would shut the Co2 off anyway. If the Co2 regulator breaks, that would drop the pH and his controller will shut that outlet off.

The CAREACON outlet is a virtual outlet that he uses to manually shut the Co2, Masterflex and recirculation pump off for maintenance purposes. He normally runs that in "ON" mode. If he needs to do maintenance or wants to shut the reactor down for any reason, he just toggles CAREACON to OFF via Fusion or the web interface. It's easier to shut one virtual outlet off than shutting off 3 other outlets one by one.

vhuang168 · 03/18/2016, 09:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slief

In his Co2 regulator outlet He has: If CARX_P < 6.50 Then OFF which will shut the Co2 OFF automatically if the pH drops in the reactor. With the Masterflex pump, effluent clogs don't happen but if that did occur, the pH would drop and the Apex would shut the Co2 off anyway. If the Co2 regulator breaks, that would drop the pH and his controller will shut that outlet off.

The CAREACON outlet is a virtual outlet that he uses to manually shut the Co2, Masterflex and recirculation pump off for maintenance purposes. He normally runs that in "ON" mode. If he needs to do maintenance or wants to shut the reactor down for any reason, he just toggles CAREACON to OFF via Fusion or the web interface. It's easier to shut one virtual outlet off than shutting off 3 other outlets one by one.

Huh, I just noticed that Tapatalk is not showing the whole posts.

Eg, I didn't see the CARX_P < 6.50 statement in his original post or the part above where you post about the virtual outlet.

It's when I hit quote is when I saw the rest.

scuzy · 03/18/2016, 09:59 AM

Yeah for some reason my cut and paste didnt work

Fallback OFF
If CAPH > 6.68 Then ON
If CAPH < 6.48 Then OFF
If pH < 7.70 Then OFF

That's what i set my co2 at, internal calcium recir pump is always on and masterflex is alwasy on.

03/10/2016, 04:31 PM	#1651
ClownsRCoo Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Houston, Tx Posts: 813	I got my 7523-50 for $550. It's in excellent shape and had 2 heads. I thought about selling 1 and getting some money back but I think I'll keep it as a spare instead. Not the best deal but I don't think it was bad either for a really nice condition digital brushless one. __________________ PlanetAquariums 171g (60x30x22) - RoyalExclusiv Dreambox - Bubble King Double Cone 200 Total system volume - 225g

03/10/2016, 04:43 PM	#1652
vhuang168 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 2,136	7523-50 is brushed I believe. __________________ Vincent 40g custom AIO --> DSA190Pro

03/10/2016, 04:45 PM	#1653
ClownsRCoo Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Houston, Tx Posts: 813	Yeah my bad. I got the 7523-60 10-600 rpm and brushless. I looked at so many my numbers are running together. __________________ PlanetAquariums 171g (60x30x22) - RoyalExclusiv Dreambox - Bubble King Double Cone 200 Total system volume - 225g

03/10/2016, 05:06 PM	#1654
vhuang168 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 2,136	Yeah I know the feeling __________________ Vincent 40g custom AIO --> DSA190Pro

03/12/2016, 12:35 AM	#1655
vhuang168 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 2,136	Snagged a 7550-30 with 2 77201-60 heads. I believe this hits all the necessary details. Brushless, 600rpm, LS17 head (SS rollers I think). __________________ Vincent 40g custom AIO --> DSA190Pro

03/12/2016, 06:27 PM	#1656
Chicago Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: earth Posts: 3,218	is 7524-40 a good unit? high performace loader with the unit 77200-62 __________________ "If the thunder don't get you then the lightning will" ..famous poet.. Current Tank Info: 500 gal starphire, reef sps dominated, 40 plus fish, 300 gallon sump in basement below, reeftek calcium reactor, reeftek kalkwasser reactor, lifeguard fluidized filter for rowaphose, 4 400MH 10k xm, 2 160 vho super attinic, DYI 50 gallon denitrator Last edited by Chicago; 03/12/2016 at 06:41 PM.

03/12/2016, 07:14 PM	#1658
Chicago Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: earth Posts: 3,218	brushed motor not the way to go.. prefer brushless.. right .. thanks __________________ "If the thunder don't get you then the lightning will" ..famous poet.. Current Tank Info: 500 gal starphire, reef sps dominated, 40 plus fish, 300 gallon sump in basement below, reeftek calcium reactor, reeftek kalkwasser reactor, lifeguard fluidized filter for rowaphose, 4 400MH 10k xm, 2 160 vho super attinic, DYI 50 gallon denitrator

03/12/2016, 07:23 PM	#1659
vhuang168 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 2,136	Brushed works too, just noisier. Based on my research anyway. __________________ Vincent 40g custom AIO --> DSA190Pro

03/12/2016, 09:32 PM	#1660
rmchoi Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Michigan Posts: 148	Masterflex two channel head for auto water change So happened a two channel Masterflex head came on a brushless pump I bought for my calcium reactor. Ended up using it for AWC. The head is model 77202-60 mounted on a Masterflex 7554-80 brush pump. Have seen several Masterflex pumps with stacked pump heads for AWC, but didn't know of dual channel heads. The two channel head is small and only slightly larger than a single channel head. The head takes tube size up to L/S 25 (3/16") which is one size smaller than L/S 17 (1/4"). After several test runs, the L/S 25 tubing at 80 rpm will do a 12 gallon water change in 4 hours. For a timer, I use the feed mode on Apex to automate the Masteflex pump start-stop time, set for once a week. The feed made makes it simple to set duration times and schedule the days you want water changes. Set up pictures: Since no floor drain or sink close by, the old saltwater discharge line terminates into the side of a nearby drain pipe. For strength, I glued an extra layer of PVC to the side of the drain. Drilled and tapped a 1/4" pipe thread tap to receive the barb adapter. Last edited by Dino; 03/31/2018 at 04:48 AM.

03/12/2016, 10:39 PM	#1661
slief RC Sponsor Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 14,173	Cleaned my Calclum reactor and filled it for the first time in 9 months.Also recalibrated my pH probe which apparently didn't need to be calibrated. Gotta love how maintenance free and stable a good Masterflex pump and a good regulator makes a calcium reactor. After 9 months, my 20 pound Co2 tank is still nearly 80% full. Here is a graph from my Apex. The consistent flow and the consistent Co2 rate is all that's needed to keep my reactor pH pretty much flatline. My Apex never has to shut the solenoid off and only acts as a fail safe. Setup is a Geo 818 Calcium Reactor Carbon Doser regulator Cale Parmer Masterflex 7523-80 Brushless Pump 24ml/min and 1 bubble every 4.5 seconds Reborn Media in the main reactor and ARM in the second reactor Reactor pH of about 6.7 pH. Absolutely flatline without any Apex intervention. You can see when I serviced it and calibrated the probe by the one and only blip in the pH. __________________ Director Customer Support Royal Exclusiv USA For All Royal Exclusiv & Bubble King questions please refer to our Sponsor forum: http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/fo...play.php?f=745 Current Tank Info: 480G display mixed reef, 90G sump, 90G refugium, 60G display refugium. Check out my build thread: http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1783476 Last edited by slief; 03/12/2016 at 10:51 PM.

03/16/2016, 06:22 PM	#1662
royvoss Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: nj Posts: 467	not sure if this is the right place to post, been running my masterflex (7523-80) for about a month, today i noticed that it was not pumping, checked the pump, had a error code 18, looked in the book, claims it is a watchdog error, program locked up. does any body know what this means , power cycled it, went right back to running like nothing ever happened. not sure if it was outside issue like a power blip or and pump issue. any insight would be helpfull thanks

03/17/2016, 06:14 AM	#1664
royvoss Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: nj Posts: 467	thanks, its still running fine as this am,we had t-storms come thru around the time it coded, wonder if there was a power blip,will need to keep an eye on it.

03/17/2016, 08:50 PM	#1667
scuzy Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 6,499	Mine looks like this for the regulator Fallback OFF If CAPH > 6.68 Then ON If CAPH < 6.48 Then OFF If pH < 7.70 Then OFF Is this ok?

03/18/2016, 08:09 AM	#1670
vhuang168 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 2,136	What does the outlet CAREACON look like? How do you control PH in the reactor? __________________ Vincent 40g custom AIO --> DSA190Pro

03/18/2016, 08:38 AM	#1671
hkgar Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Dewitt MI Posts: 5,051	CAREACON is Fallback OFF Set ON I keep it in the off position and if I need to shut down the reactor I just set it to ON. I do not use the AUTO. Set your reactor flow to a desired amount and then adjust the ph by either adjusting the bubble rate or the bubble pressure (size). If your ph is too high reduce the bubble rate or lower the bubble pressure and if too low just do the opposite. Monitor the tank ALK and if it is dropping decrease the reactor ph. If it is increasing raise the reactor ph. Do not change the effluent flow rate. Masterflex program: Fallback ON Set ON If Outlet CAREACON = ON Then OFF Mixing pump program: Fallback ON Set ON If Outlet CAREACON = ON Then OFF __________________ Gary 180 gallon, 40 gallon sump, 3 250 W MH + 4 80W ATI T5's, MTC MVX 36 Skimmer, Apex controller Aquamaxx T-3 CaRx Current Tank Info: A 2 Barred Rabbitfish, Red Head Salon, Yellow/Purple, McMaster Fairy, Possum, 2 Leopard Wrasses, Kole, & Atlantic Blue Tangs, 2 Percula Clown, 3 PJ and 1 Banggai Cardinalfish , Swallowtail, Bellus and Coral Beauty Angels

03/18/2016, 09:30 AM	#1672
vhuang168 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 2,136	Official: Masterflex Calcium Reactor Setup Thread So what happens if your effluent output gets clogged? Or if the needle valve on the reg leaks and the bubble rate increases causing the PH to drop in the reactor? The way you have it setup right now, you are just using the Apex as a manual remote on/off switch. __________________ Vincent 40g custom AIO --> DSA190Pro

03/18/2016, 09:59 AM	#1675
scuzy Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 6,499	Yeah for some reason my cut and paste didnt work Fallback OFF If CAPH > 6.68 Then ON If CAPH < 6.48 Then OFF If pH < 7.70 Then OFF That's what i set my co2 at, internal calcium recir pump is always on and masterflex is alwasy on.