Kessil Club

[grego84]

This is completely subjective to how you want it to look. Fish don't care or need light so if it looks good to you go for it.

Originally Posted by frankv702

Do any of you guys have two or maybe three A160Ws on a 6ft tank? I have one on my daughters tank now and was thinking of getting 2 more. Or 1 if I can get away with it on my 180g FOWLR. If I have to get 4, I'd rather go with another lighting option.

[gandolf8]

Ok I just bought Kessil AP700 LED Light Fixture. What would be a good ipad to have for these ?

[vhuang168]

They recommend iPad 2 and up but I would get as new a model as you can.

[gandolf8]

would this one be ok
Apple iPad mini 2 with WiFi 16GB, Silver

[oseymour]

Originally Posted by gandolf8

would this one be ok

Apple iPad mini 2 with WiFi 16GB, Silver

I use the first iPad mini. It's slower but works.

[Darryl Hey]

OK SO DRUM ROLL
BLUEFISH controller now installed
here is my review:
PROS: running 3 Kassil A160WE on 40g breader
Bluefish controller finally arrived hooked it up fairly simple even included 3 cables
blink controller to Iphone and set wifi also hooked up to iPad
set the programs and intensity and color per easy set up
IE: morning /midday /evening/night
hit go and wam does what it is supposed to
you can also have clouds/ rain /lightning on demand and set it up to any where in the world to follow
that locations weather sunrise sunset etc really cool
also moon cycle
ok
CONS:
with Kassil lights the storm lightning just sucks
can't dim down less than 10% with out it shutting off (Kassil Controller does from 100%-0%)
I thought there would be more controllability and time spots to ramp too but you get
Time to turn on, Morning ramp time, intensity / midday ramp time, intensity / evening ramp time, intensity / night ramp time, intensity, time to shut off ( kessil controller 6 points)
ok so far that all i got.
Have to see what happens all day tomorrow .
Report back then

[tg1966]

I bought 3 Kessil A360WE second hand for $600. I am using them on a 93 corner tank with outstanding results. Running 12hr light cycle with 0-50% color and 5-100% intensity. Perfect match for that tank.

[gandolf8]

Ok for the Kessil AP 700 would this ipad work Apple iPad 2 MC769LL/A Tablet ( iOS 7,16GB, WiFi) Black 2nd Generation

[machodik]

Need some kessils users give me a good advise , I am almost thinking my kessils is not performing well to my Acros , not coloring up and even go dark , I wonder if it is my setting on colors and intensity is not correct .

I got 2 kessils A360WE hang about 55cm from the top layer of my live rocks and that's where my Acros located. Or from the lights to my tank base glass (bareback tank) is 75 cm.

My LPS is fine but my complain is my Acros is not coloring up, below is my setting:













I have seen someone here has color set as low as less than 50% or even less to 10%, I know the lowest color the bluer and this may be the actual lights our color needs .

I also understand LED are useless to Par meter that is reason why I am not considering to buy one.

One more questions :
Corals dark due to light is not enough ?
Corals bleached due to light is too strong ?

Tell me , what should be the right setting for color vs intensity .

Thanks

[minus9]

I used to run my 160's at 65% colour, but I dropped them down to 30% and everything looks so much better. Remember, you're not really changing the spectrum that much, just adding reds when you increase the colour % and increase UV when you drop the %. At 30%, it doesn't look that blue to me, but it's up to you.
Also, be patient with these lights (all LED's), change settings slowly and you'll be happy. Nothing good happens fast in this hobby.

[slief]

Originally Posted by machodik

Need some kessils users give me a good advise , I am almost thinking my kessils is not performing well to my Acros , not coloring up and even go dark , I wonder if it is my setting on colors and intensity is not correct .

I got 2 kessils A360WE hang about 55cm from the top layer of my live rocks and that's where my Acros located. Or from the lights to my tank base glass (bareback tank) is 75 cm.

My LPS is fine but my complain is my Acros is not coloring up, below is my setting:













I have seen someone here has color set as low as less than 50% or even less to 10%, I know the lowest color the bluer and this may be the actual lights our color needs .

I also understand LED are useless to Par meter that is reason why I am not considering to buy one.

One more questions :
Corals dark due to light is not enough ?
Corals bleached due to light is too strong ?

Tell me , what should be the right setting for color vs intensity .

Thanks

From the looks of it, your lights are 10-12" above the water and your corals are several inches below the water surface? Am I seeing things correct? If so, you might want to slowly increase your intensity over the course of a couple months. I would suggest about 1-2% a week keeping a close eye on the corals to make sure they don't respond badly. You may also want to reduce your color a bit. Maybe down to 60% over the course of a couple weeks and see what that does. I would wait until you have increased the intensity (Assuming I am correct about the height above the water and distance below the surface) first before changing the color or do the color first followed by the intensity. You just don't want to make too many changes at once because you won't know what caused an issue should your corals respond adversely.

[machodik]

Originally Posted by slief

From the looks of it, your lights are 10-12" above the water and your corals are several inches below the water surface? Am I seeing things correct? If so, you might want to slowly increase your intensity over the course of a couple months. I would suggest about 1-2% a week keeping a close eye on the corals to make sure they don't respond badly. You may also want to reduce your color a bit. Maybe down to 60% over the course of a couple weeks and see what that does. I would wait until you have increased the intensity (Assuming I am correct about the height above the water and distance below the surface) first before changing the color or do the color first followed by the intensity. You just don't want to make too many changes at once because you won't know what caused an issue should your corals respond adversely.

Hi Scott,

Nice to hear from you again .

You are right , my lights is about 11 inch above water surface and corals is about 12 inch below water surface.

You mean I have to gradually increase the intensity for about 8% - 16 % in total? Considering about 1-2 % / weeks for couple of months ? Ok , I will make adjustment first on intensity and then see if corals is ok with that . Furthermore , as I understand what you suggest is intensity first before colors or colors before intensity , can I make adjustment of both gradually at the same time which means increasing intensity 1-2 % per week and decreasing color 1-2% per week at the same time ?

I am suspecting that corals also react to my present high po4 (@ 0.18 ppm) but I also suspect my lights has to do with it too as in the past when I have ULNS thru Biopellet corals already response like this , it just so happened when I switch to KZ and its does not work well for me that causing my po4 unable to lower down Inspite of continuing dosing so now I switch back to BP and trying to reduce my po4 with GFO too. (Anyway , this us another topic).

Cheers,

[slief]

Originally Posted by machodik

Hi Scott,

Nice to hear from you again .

You are right , my lights is about 11 inch above water surface and corals is about 12 inch below water surface.

You mean I have to gradually increase the intensity for about 8% - 16 % in total? Considering about 1-2 % / weeks for couple of months ? Ok , I will make adjustment first on intensity and then see if corals is ok with that . Furthermore , as I understand what you suggest is intensity first before colors or colors before intensity , can I make adjustment of both gradually at the same time which means increasing intensity 1-2 % per week and decreasing color 1-2% per week at the same time ?

I am suspecting that corals also react to my present high po4 (@ 0.18 ppm) but I also suspect my lights has to do with it too as in the past when I have ULNS thru Biopellet corals already response like this , it just so happened when I switch to KZ and its does not work well for me that causing my po4 unable to lower down Inspite of continuing dosing so now I switch back to BP and trying to reduce my po4 with GFO too. (Anyway , this us another topic).

Cheers,

Good to hear from you too!

You could change both intensity or color but I would change one or the other and not both at once. That way you can monitor your corals and see how they react and not have to guess what the issues is should they respond bad. I don't think the color is your issue. At least not with the intensity at 80%. While the current color % is probably not helping, it's probably not hurting either. I don't think your intensity is high enough though given the distance the lights are from the surface of the water and how deep the corals are from the surface.

Raise the intensity slowly (Max 1-2% per week). I think 2% is perfectly fine. Raise it to 90% over the course of 5 weeks and see how the corals are doing. If you see the corals respond bad, then back off 4%. That's the idea of taking it slow. If you see a bad response, you take it back a couple steps. If they are responding well after you get to 90%, then leave it there for a while and reduce the color a few percent each week or about 10% over the course of a month. Then you can try to increase the intensity a bit more. I have a hunch you can go to 100% intensity with your lighting height if you take it slow and reduce the color % some.

[machodik]

Originally Posted by slief

Good to hear from you too!

You could change both intensity or color but I would change one or the other and not both at once. That way you can monitor your corals and see how they react and not have to guess what the issues is should they respond bad. I don't think the color is your issue. At least not with the intensity at 80%. While the current color % is probably not helping, it's probably not hurting either. I don't think your intensity is high enough though given the distance the lights are from the surface of the water and how deep the corals are from the surface.

Raise the intensity slowly (Max 1-2% per week). I think 2% is perfectly fine. Raise it to 90% over the course of 5 weeks and see how the corals are doing. If you see the corals respond bad, then back off 4%. That's the idea of taking it slow. If you see a bad response, you take it back a couple steps. If they are responding well after you get to 90%, then leave it there for a while and reduce the color a few percent each week or about 10% over the course of a month. Then you can try to increase the intensity a bit more. I have a hunch you can go to 100% intensity with your lighting height if you take it slow and reduce the color % some.

Thanks Scott,

Actually I have raise my intensity and color to 3 % last week before I posted here and I will maintain that till next week for another raise on intensity . I will just let color stay there until intensity have reached to the 90% but will watch the corals reaction along the coarse as your advises.

One thing I observed , some colors turn greenish colors , I don't know if this are their original colors or may be some algae ? I am still kindergarten to sps so still not able to distinguish well. But if these are their original colors they turning to , I may have to credited not to my light adjustment of last week but may be because I hook back my GFO yesterday and po4 this morning was 0.04 ppm from 0.18 two days ago and no3 today is 0.2 ppm from 0.5 ppm two days ago. Drastic drop indeed and I know it is not good.

Cheers,


MD

[SonnyJames]

Great thread!!

I'm running two a160's over my 65 gallon with the kessil controller and I'm really loving these lights. I did change over from the radion gen 3 pro which I had over this tank before I converted from softies to sps.

I am struggling with finding the right colour and intensity at the moment

please forgive the iphone pics

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/pi...ictureid=74616

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/pi...ictureid=74617

[blaujess]

What I like about kessil is their shimming

[SonnyJames]

Two a160's over a 3x18x18 is plenty strong
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[SonnyJames]

could really use some help. just not sure what intensity to run these at

[grego84]

Originally Posted by SonnyJames

could really use some help. just not sure what intensity to run these at

I run my 2 a160we at 100% @ midday using the bluefish controller over my 57gal 36x18 footprint tank.

[minus9]

SonnyJames, I have two 160's over a 23x12x14 nano and I'm only hitting 70% intensity (mid day) during a 12hr cycle. The lights are 7" above the water and 10" apart from each other. I'm only ramping color to 30%. I've played around with the color quite a bit and I think if you're 50% and under, you'll be fine. You're really not changing the spectrum when you change the color %, just adding a little red when you increase and adding uv when you decrease. Also, the PUR % goes up with a lower color %. I think you'll be happy with color between 50% - 30%. As far as intensity, it all depends on what corals you have. Regardless, change color and intensity slowly and not at the same time. I have the spectral controller, so I make one adjustment a month, so no more than 5% during that time. If you're using an apex (or bluefish), you can change 1% - 2% a week and shouldn't have a problem. The key with Kessil's (and all LED's) is change slowly and be patient. Nothing good happens fast in this hobby.

[timger]

I know it's not 100% possible to say, but can someone come with a wild guess, on what intensity I should try and run my 2xA360WE on?

64G tank, around 18" high, and lights 11" over waterline.

Right now, LPS only, with 2 monti caps - and they are not looking to good after 1-2 weeks in my tank.

I run me Kessils at 25% intensity for 8-10hours a day. No ramping up and down

[sixpackgarage]

Originally Posted by timger

I know it's not 100% possible to say, but can someone come with a wild guess, on what intensity I should try and run my 2xA360WE on?

64G tank, around 18" high, and lights 11" over waterline.

Right now, LPS only, with 2 monti caps - and they are not looking to good after 1-2 weeks in my tank.

I run me Kessils at 25% intensity for 8-10hours a day. No ramping up and down

I run mine peak 50% with I think about 35% max whites. I do ramp and do run 12 hours. LPS are happy and SPS are growing pretty slow, but growing.

[pelphrey]

I currently have the 160 over a marineland 27 gallon cube and love it! I have plans to upgrade to a 150 gallon 60x24x24 tank in the future. I would love to stay with Kessil, my plan is to run one 360 on the left and one 360 on the right with the 160 in the middle. Do you all see any issues, will I need to run 3 360's on this size tank? Tank will be a mixed reef, no SPS initially but we know where this road goes!

[Scorpius]

Originally Posted by sixpackgarage

I run mine peak 50% with I think about 35% max whites. I do ramp and do run 12 hours. LPS are happy and SPS are growing pretty slow, but growing.

I'm runing a max of 45% intensity and 40% color with my 360we's. I've noticed after I brown out and just about kill my sps they then recover, color up, and start growing decently. I don't know what the secret to light acclimating sps to these Kessil's as everything I've tried has failed.

LPS don't seem to care as much about light acclimation in my experience.

[sixpackgarage]

Originally Posted by Scorpius

I'm runing a max of 45% intensity and 40% color with my 360we's. I've noticed after I brown out and just about kill my sps they then recover, color up, and start growing decently. I don't know what the secret to light acclimating sps to these Kessil's as everything I've tried has failed.

LPS don't seem to care as much about light acclimation in my experience.

I know my problem is that I tend to underestimate the power of these lights and end up trying to increase intensity. I'm going to keep them at 50% for a while and resist the temptation to turn them up.