NEW plumbing method for an ULTRA QUIET REEF TANK!!!! LONG !!!! - Page 69

ca1ore · 08/14/2013, 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mudbeaver

I don't understand the concept of calling the emergency pipe if your going to allow a trickle to harass you day and night at the slightest water level variation. It makes no sense to me.

I think the link you provided in an earlier post, and whose pictures you have been using as illustrations, makes a particularly cogent, sensible explanation. While the arguments for leaving the oveflow pipe completely dry are conceptually valid, the practicality of the matter is that the trickle presents minimal risk based on the lack of user failure. I had run a Herbie type overflow on my single weir 180 from 1992 until 2007 (part of the time as FW; part of the time as a reef tank), always running some level of trickle through the 'emergency' and it was essentially silent and never came close to failing.

Figs · 09/09/2013, 08:04 AM

Hello Folks: I am new to the hobby. I am not new to fish keeping and have kept African Cichlids for several years. I am in the midst of setting up a reef tank and have been doing lots or research and planning slowly.

I am building a new 150 gal tank (72 x 18 x 27) to replace my old one which i recently sold.

I am planning to use the herbie method and plan to have one large overflow in the middle of the tank. Approx 2 feet wide. Within this overflow i plan to have 4 holes in total. 2 on the outer edges will be the return lines from my return pump pushing water from the sump (probably 1"). the 2 inner ones will be the drains. Probably 1.5 inch drains. One will be the full syphon and one will be higher up as the emergency.

Can you please advise if this makes sense.

Most of the set ups i have seen discussed have only drains in the overflow and the return lines from the pump are behind the tank. i am guessing this is because the tank already only came with 2 holes and they were both needed for drains.

I am pretty sure there would be no issue with putting 2 drains and 2 return lines within the overflow box if i want to utilize the herbie method, but just wanted to make sure.

Thanks for your help.

pgammon · 09/09/2013, 09:45 AM

Actually that's exactly what I did with my Oceanic Tech 120. I used one as the main drain and one as the emergency back up, two outside hole for the returns, works great no issues at all that I've found! HTH.

Mudbeaver · 09/09/2013, 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Figs

Hello Folks: I am new to the hobby. I am not new to fish keeping and have kept African Cichlids for several years. I am in the midst of setting up a reef tank and have been doing lots or research and planning slowly.

I am building a new 150 gal tank (72 x 18 x 27) to replace my old one which i recently sold.

I am planning to use the herbie method and plan to have one large overflow in the middle of the tank. Approx 2 feet wide. Within this overflow i plan to have 4 holes in total. 2 on the outer edges will be the return lines from my return pump pushing water from the sump (probably 1"). the 2 inner ones will be the drains. Probably 1.5 inch drains. One will be the full syphon and one will be higher up as the emergency.

Can you please advise if this makes sense.

Most of the set ups i have seen discussed have only drains in the overflow and the return lines from the pump are behind the tank. i am guessing this is because the tank already only came with 2 holes and they were both needed for drains.

I am pretty sure there would be no issue with putting 2 drains and 2 return lines within the overflow box if i want to utilize the herbie method, but just wanted to make sure.

Thanks for your help.

Quote:

Originally Posted by pgammon

Actually that's exactly what I did with my Oceanic Tech 120. I used one as the main drain and one as the emergency back up, two outside hole for the returns, works great no issues at all that I've found! HTH.

This is what i have going on with Concept Aquariums from Calgary

Now its a herbie 1.5"drain as well ; but i don't like too many holes in my tank so the return is 1" and i'll have locklines 6" in each directions, since i have other powerheads in the tank a 150G 72"X24"X21"hight , my pump is a Diablo DC 3000 six variable speed inside pump. Now FIGS if you have no space issues go for a 24" wide with a 72" long you won't regret it and go 21" high ; it easier with the lights.my 2 cents

Figs · 09/10/2013, 11:38 AM

Thanks for your help guys. Much appreciated.

Mark... · 10/14/2013, 08:59 AM

I'd like to get some feed back on a 180 gallon reef tank with center internal overflow. Over flow is 3 sided 9"x5"x5" with teeth. This will be a basement sump with 10.5 feet of head.

I want to use a 1 inch full siphon Herbie (gated) and a 1 inch dry emergency totally separate to sump.

I hope to use a DC pump (waveline 10000 or Diablo 10,500) with one 1 inch return to split to two 3/4 inch returns just before reaching bottom of over flow..

These pumps seem rated well for head pressure, just not sure everything matches up?

The sump is 72" long with a max volume of 90 gallons, but expect to only use 60 when in operation.

Input greatly appreciated.

Maximus · 10/14/2013, 08:21 PM

Ok, I've read the first 30 pages of this thread and now need to ask a question. My tank is about to be made with an external overflow that is 14"x6"x8". It will have two drains (either 1" or 1.5") and the dimensions of the tank will be 36x30x16 (75g). Will the 8" height be sufficient enough to use a Herbie or should I have the tank maker make it deeper? Second question, I plan on flowing roughly 450-500 gph through the bulkheads. Should I use a pair of 1" or 1.5" bulkheads? If I can get away with using the 1" bulkheads, it would be ideal so I can shrink the width of the external overflow from 6" to 4". That would allow me to put the tank closer to the wall. Thanks guys.

rsdino · 10/22/2013, 07:41 AM

Thanks
Beautiful work
My tank has been empty and a work in progress for at least the last 4 years.
Today I plugged everything in and set her to work.
The noise of the overflow and the crashing water was driving me crazy.
This works.
Simple
K.I.S.S.

shellshocked · 10/22/2013, 08:01 PM

I know this thread is way over subscribed but I have done a lot of work and experimentation to make my tanks silent. The first key is locate all pumps in another room. If you have a basement you are in luck - locate the mechanical stuff below the tank in the basement. Very difficult to sound proof the stand and not have a moisture issue. Beyond this the flow of water is tricky to keep quiet. I have tried durso and other funky overflow tricks. They work but not well and not reliably. The best thing I have done is to put foam baffles in my overflow so the water does not splash. Think of it more as cascading down a series of steps. I turn the flow down slightly but not much. It has no chance to clog and requires no cleaning. In any case worked for me and has been my standard method for many many years.

HiImSean · 10/24/2013, 12:28 PM

I got my 90g with a Herbie tested last night. I need to raise my emergency up a little more to prevent the waterfall sound into the overflow. How low should I run my water level below the emergency drain?

C-21 USAF · 11/02/2013, 09:03 PM

Can this be done without an overflow box? With just using the standpipes?

I have a frag tank that doesn't have an overflow box and don't plan to add one if I can get away without it.

reeftanknewbie · 11/03/2013, 05:58 AM

Yes I have done this several times before without an overflow. In fact my frag tanks are still this way.

C-21 USAF · 11/03/2013, 05:12 PM

Thx!

salajander · 11/17/2013, 06:04 PM

What a great scheme this is. I'm just setting up a new 55g - it's a reef-ready with an overflow and two holes pre-drilled. This sounds like the perfect setup!

icechimpee · 01/27/2014, 10:39 AM

Setting up a new tank this way...cant wait for the silence

Coral Dilema · 01/30/2014, 01:51 PM

So I'm thinking of doing this in my new tank. RR 20X20X20 tank. (1) 1 inch drain and (1) 3/4 inch return hole drilled. Which would you use for the drain and which for the emergency?

Mark... · 01/30/2014, 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coral Dilema

So I'm thinking of doing this in my new tank. RR 20X20X20 tank. (1) 1 inch drain and (1) 3/4 inch return hole drilled. Which would you use for the drain and which for the emergency?

If you maximize flow with your 1 inch, then the 3/4 emergency would likely overflow in the case of a complete blockage.

Coral Dilema · 01/30/2014, 05:51 PM

yeah, that's what I was thinking. What is the flow rate for a maximized 3/4 inch though? Is that information available? Will be about 35 - 40 inches of draft.

MikesReef83 · 01/31/2014, 12:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HiImSean

I got my 90g with a Herbie tested last night. I need to raise my emergency up a little more to prevent the waterfall sound into the overflow. How low should I run my water level below the emergency drain?

Im setting this up in my 90 as well and would like to know how low the water should be. I think someone had said before to have the E Drain about an inch below the weir. And have the water line at least a half to one inch below the E drain.

Mark... · 01/31/2014, 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coral Dilema

yeah, that's what I was thinking. What is the flow rate for a maximized 3/4 inch though? Is that information available? Will be about 35 - 40 inches of draft.

That one I don't know. It you could redrill the 3/4 to 1 inch, that would be perfect.

MikesReef83 · 01/31/2014, 03:01 PM

I'm putting a 1" to 3/4" reducer above and below my 3/4" bulkhead on my 90. This way the only restriction is the bulkhead itself and not the piping.

MikesReef83 · 02/10/2014, 08:17 PM

Just finished plumbing the main and emergency drain to my basement sump. . Does the valve location look OK? Its a straight shot down from the tank bulkheads through the floor. Then you can see in the photo where I had to curve around my fuge to the sump.

icechimpee · 02/11/2014, 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coral Dilema

yeah, that's what I was thinking. What is the flow rate for a maximized 3/4 inch though? Is that information available? Will be about 35 - 40 inches of draft.

http://www.beananimal.com/articles/h...-aquarist.aspx

This may help.

FastUno · 03/06/2014, 03:23 PM

My 75g Aqueon overflow has a 1" drain & 3/4" return. Can I use the 1" drain as the emergency & add something like this siphon (but with 1" tubing)?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65yVr7DiDls

reefid · 07/07/2014, 07:33 AM

I have 110g main tank and 25g sump , planning to apply herbie overflow. I will be using 1262 as return pump, it will be T to a chiller. ( hopefuly 1262 put enough flow turn over)
My options
1. 1" drain and 1" emergency
2. 1.5 drain and 1.5" emergency
3. 1" drain and 1.5 " emergency
4. 1.5 " drain 1" emergency

I would to keep my options open, if my 1262 not able to put enough flow. Might get another one just for chiller.

Any help will be really great

Thanks

09/09/2013, 08:04 AM	#1702
Figs Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 2	New 150 Gal set up Hello Folks: I am new to the hobby. I am not new to fish keeping and have kept African Cichlids for several years. I am in the midst of setting up a reef tank and have been doing lots or research and planning slowly. I am building a new 150 gal tank (72 x 18 x 27) to replace my old one which i recently sold. I am planning to use the herbie method and plan to have one large overflow in the middle of the tank. Approx 2 feet wide. Within this overflow i plan to have 4 holes in total. 2 on the outer edges will be the return lines from my return pump pushing water from the sump (probably 1"). the 2 inner ones will be the drains. Probably 1.5 inch drains. One will be the full syphon and one will be higher up as the emergency. Can you please advise if this makes sense. Most of the set ups i have seen discussed have only drains in the overflow and the return lines from the pump are behind the tank. i am guessing this is because the tank already only came with 2 holes and they were both needed for drains. I am pretty sure there would be no issue with putting 2 drains and 2 return lines within the overflow box if i want to utilize the herbie method, but just wanted to make sure. Thanks for your help.

10/14/2013, 08:59 AM	#1706
Mark... Registered Member Join Date: May 2013 Location: Jersey Shore Posts: 617	I'd like to get some feed back on a 180 gallon reef tank with center internal overflow. Over flow is 3 sided 9"x5"x5" with teeth. This will be a basement sump with 10.5 feet of head. I want to use a 1 inch full siphon Herbie (gated) and a 1 inch dry emergency totally separate to sump. I hope to use a DC pump (waveline 10000 or Diablo 10,500) with one 1 inch return to split to two 3/4 inch returns just before reaching bottom of over flow.. These pumps seem rated well for head pressure, just not sure everything matches up? The sump is 72" long with a max volume of 90 gallons, but expect to only use 60 when in operation. Input greatly appreciated. __________________ The solution, to pollution, is dilution... Current Tank Info: 180

10/14/2013, 08:21 PM	#1707
Maximus Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Monterey County Posts: 6,442	Ok, I've read the first 30 pages of this thread and now need to ask a question. My tank is about to be made with an external overflow that is 14"x6"x8". It will have two drains (either 1" or 1.5") and the dimensions of the tank will be 36x30x16 (75g). Will the 8" height be sufficient enough to use a Herbie or should I have the tank maker make it deeper? Second question, I plan on flowing roughly 450-500 gph through the bulkheads. Should I use a pair of 1" or 1.5" bulkheads? If I can get away with using the 1" bulkheads, it would be ideal so I can shrink the width of the external overflow from 6" to 4". That would allow me to put the tank closer to the wall. Thanks guys. __________________ This space for rent... Current Tank Info: 36x36x16 A.G.E. tank. Lighting: ATI Straton. Circulation: 2x Vortech MP40wQd's. Skimmer: Red Sea 300. Controller: Neptune Apex. Doser: Neptune Dos.

10/22/2013, 07:41 AM	#1708
rsdino Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Northern Germany Posts: 51	Thanks Beautiful work My tank has been empty and a work in progress for at least the last 4 years. Today I plugged everything in and set her to work. The noise of the overflow and the crashing water was driving me crazy. This works. Simple K.I.S.S. __________________ where there is a will there is a way Current Tank Info: 175 Gallon Bowed

11/03/2013, 05:58 AM	#1712
reeftanknewbie Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Effort PA Posts: 1,067	Yes I have done this several times before without an overflow. In fact my frag tanks are still this way. __________________ 80 gallon Blue Line rimless tank, 40 gallon breeder sump, DIY ATS, SWC 160 cone skimmer, ocean revive LED. Current Tank Info: 80 gallon blue line rimless tank

09/09/2013, 09:45 AM	#1703
pgammon Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Eastover, SC Posts: 282	Actually that's exactly what I did with my Oceanic Tech 120. I used one as the main drain and one as the emergency back up, two outside hole for the returns, works great no issues at all that I've found! HTH.

09/10/2013, 11:38 AM	#1705
Figs Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 2	Thanks for your help guys. Much appreciated.

10/22/2013, 08:01 PM	#1709
shellshocked Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 151	I know this thread is way over subscribed but I have done a lot of work and experimentation to make my tanks silent. The first key is locate all pumps in another room. If you have a basement you are in luck - locate the mechanical stuff below the tank in the basement. Very difficult to sound proof the stand and not have a moisture issue. Beyond this the flow of water is tricky to keep quiet. I have tried durso and other funky overflow tricks. They work but not well and not reliably. The best thing I have done is to put foam baffles in my overflow so the water does not splash. Think of it more as cascading down a series of steps. I turn the flow down slightly but not much. It has no chance to clog and requires no cleaning. In any case worked for me and has been my standard method for many many years.

10/24/2013, 12:28 PM	#1710
HiImSean Registered Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Acworth, GA Posts: 834	I got my 90g with a Herbie tested last night. I need to raise my emergency up a little more to prevent the waterfall sound into the overflow. How low should I run my water level below the emergency drain?

11/02/2013, 09:03 PM	#1711
C-21 USAF Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Spokane, WA Posts: 316	Can this be done without an overflow box? With just using the standpipes? I have a frag tank that doesn't have an overflow box and don't plan to add one if I can get away without it.

11/03/2013, 05:12 PM	#1713
C-21 USAF Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Spokane, WA Posts: 316	Thx!

11/17/2013, 06:04 PM	#1714
salajander Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Jersey City, NJ Posts: 343	What a great scheme this is. I'm just setting up a new 55g - it's a reef-ready with an overflow and two holes pre-drilled. This sounds like the perfect setup!

01/27/2014, 10:39 AM	#1715
icechimpee Time is Money Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 246	Setting up a new tank this way...cant wait for the silence

01/30/2014, 01:51 PM	#1716
Coral Dilema Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Central NC Posts: 953	So I'm thinking of doing this in my new tank. RR 20X20X20 tank. (1) 1 inch drain and (1) 3/4 inch return hole drilled. Which would you use for the drain and which for the emergency? __________________ Build a man a fire and he is warm for a night. Set a man on fire and he is warm for the rest of his life. Current Tank Info: 20 inch cube running, Looking for a good place to get a 36 X 20-24 X 18-24 tank.

01/30/2014, 05:51 PM	#1718
Coral Dilema Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Central NC Posts: 953	yeah, that's what I was thinking. What is the flow rate for a maximized 3/4 inch though? Is that information available? Will be about 35 - 40 inches of draft. __________________ Build a man a fire and he is warm for a night. Set a man on fire and he is warm for the rest of his life. Current Tank Info: 20 inch cube running, Looking for a good place to get a 36 X 20-24 X 18-24 tank.

01/31/2014, 03:01 PM	#1721
MikesReef83 Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Saint Genevieve, MO Posts: 221	I'm putting a 1" to 3/4" reducer above and below my 3/4" bulkhead on my 90. This way the only restriction is the bulkhead itself and not the piping.

03/06/2014, 03:23 PM	#1724
FastUno Registered Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: NY Posts: 1,726	My 75g Aqueon overflow has a 1" drain & 3/4" return. Can I use the 1" drain as the emergency & add something like this siphon (but with 1" tubing)? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65yVr7DiDls __________________ 75g AGA/RR/BB, 20g sump, Aquactinics 2x250 (Phoenix 14K)/2x54 T5 (AB & B+), Eheim 1262 Return, Deltec AP600, Tunze 6060 & Osmolator 3155, Homemade 2 part Current Tank Info: SW, Reef

07/07/2014, 07:33 AM	#1725
reefid Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 144	I have 110g main tank and 25g sump , planning to apply herbie overflow. I will be using 1262 as return pump, it will be T to a chiller. ( hopefuly 1262 put enough flow turn over) My options 1. 1" drain and 1" emergency 2. 1.5 drain and 1.5" emergency 3. 1" drain and 1.5 " emergency 4. 1.5 " drain 1" emergency I would to keep my options open, if my 1262 not able to put enough flow. Might get another one just for chiller. Any help will be really great Thanks