So you want to buy a shark? (Shark primer) - Page 7

Yom4 · 12/02/2014, 09:59 PM

Great thread! I am an experienced fresh and marine hobbyist and a few days ago I acquired a fairly famous coral cat shark that is at least a year and a half old and he now calls my 265 home. I rearranged the base/live rock so he has a pass through behind it in addition to the open front. The famous part is he is from the Pittsburgh Pirate "shark tank". Was just reading up on everyone opinions and there seems to be a wealth of knowledge here. Good work guys and thank you.

Dmorty217 · 12/16/2014, 09:06 PM

What are fish that shouldn't be kept with sharks outside of the ones that may become a snack? I thought I had read somewhere that some fish may pick at the eyes of sharks? Is this true and if so which fish?

alprazo · 12/16/2014, 10:14 PM

Angels, puffers, triggers, filefish all have a bad reputation. Not just for eyes, but also skin. Every individual fish is different though and there is no rule, just recommendations.

Zoodiver · 12/17/2014, 07:31 AM

Yeah, generally in small (home size) aquariums, and grazer will go for eyes / fins of benthic sharks. That being said, with enough volume and the right set up, you can get some very interesting species combinations.

Dmorty217 · 12/18/2014, 09:43 AM

The 625 I have is 84x72x24"

alprazo · 12/20/2014, 07:58 AM

I'm asked frequently about how to sex sharks. Even when contacting online fish places, that we all know, I've been told they can sex juveniles or can't sex them at all. This is simply untrue. Male sharks have external reproductive organs called claspers. The are present at birth and are easily identifiable. Below is a great example. As they mature they elongate, as pups they are small, but always present in males.

Uc21 · 12/29/2014, 08:18 PM

Hi I've been on this forum for a while now just don't post much I was hoping maybe someone could help me out I've had many different sharks and rays before with no issues in the past my tank is 108 x 36 x 24 with an external overflow I have two marbled cat sharks with about 20 diff tangs and I just got a blue dot ray any body have any experience with getting them to eat I've had him for a week now and haven't seen him eat yet I've seen him go through the sand but he dosnt go after any food wen I feed the tank I've tried krill and silversides so far . And I was also wondering if anybody makes there own frozen food from seafood you find at the super market.

Dmorty217 · 12/29/2014, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Uc21

Hi I've been on this forum for a while now just don't post much I was hoping maybe someone could help me out I've had many different sharks and rays before with no issues in the past my tank is 108 x 36 x 24 with an external overflow I have two marbled cat sharks with about 20 diff tangs and I just got a blue dot ray any body have any experience with getting them to eat I've had him for a week now and haven't seen him eat yet I've seen him go through the sand but he dosnt go after any food wen I feed the tank I've tried krill and silversides so far . And I was also wondering if anybody makes there own frozen food from seafood you find at the super market.

Blue spot rays are notoriously difficult to get eating and should be avoided. I make my own food for my fish but not for sharks if that's what your asking. You can get a number of things from the seafood department in your local grocery that you could feed you sharks.

Dmorty217 · 12/29/2014, 09:25 PM

Anytime I have seen one on DD it's eating live glass shrimp. I would find some place to source some from

alprazo · 12/29/2014, 09:26 PM

I would start tube feeds. It probably hasn't eaten since capture.

Uc21 · 12/29/2014, 09:39 PM

Thank you for the responses but I never had to tube feed a ray how do I go about doing that.

Uc21 · 12/29/2014, 09:44 PM

When buying at a super market anything I should stay away from can parasites be a problem I'd like to buy some shrimp squid some type of fish cut it up and freeze it

Dmorty217 · 12/30/2014, 09:10 AM

How big is the ray? Search force feeding a shark, you can see a video alprazo made back in 2012 on how to do it.

Uc21 · 12/30/2014, 08:02 PM

Thank you He's about 6" across tried squid today that didn't work either the the rest of the tank loved it so I guess tube feeding it is any tips on how to keep his barb away

alprazo · 01/01/2015, 02:58 PM

I still have her today - and is about 24 inches long.

alprazo · 01/01/2015, 03:06 PM

Just flip the ray on its back, the barb will not be an issue. You could also remove it. It is quite easy.

The image is curtesy of Zoodiver

Uc21 · 01/01/2015, 07:52 PM

Thank you going go try tomorrow

Zoodiver · 01/02/2015, 01:36 PM

Hey, I know that guy!

billsreef · 01/02/2015, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Zoodiver

Hey, I know that guy!

Likely story

vincentgwg · 01/05/2015, 10:24 AM

Fiberglass tanks are more affordable

Zoodiver · 01/08/2015, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by billsreef

Likely story

Ok you got me. But I did meet him one time.

coralfriend · 01/13/2015, 09:45 PM

Sorry for stolen this thread!
I think all shark lover would like to see any informations related with shark.
Therefore I post it here.
I promised that I would not do it next time!
Just for sharing!
My friend's shark tank(Hong Kong)
(8.5 feet wide, 18 feet long, 5 feet depth)
Two black tip reef shark (Carcharhinus melanopterus)
One white tip reef shark (Triaenodon obesus)
Some Chiloscyllium griseum (Not shown on video because too small)
(Just sharing)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rm_iPWz1IwY

TNTtropical · 01/13/2015, 10:08 PM

WOw that is quite the tank!!

alprazo · 01/13/2015, 10:31 PM

It a nice huge tank but imo those black tips are too big for it. I don't have a ton of experience with ORVs so Maybe zoodiver will chime in, but the multiple half flips of the tails and the jerky movements in the swim pattern tell me that they a utilizing extra of energy navigating the width of the tank.

Dmorty217 · 01/14/2015, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by alprazo

It a nice huge tank but imo those black tips are too big for it. I don't have a ton of experience with ORVs so Maybe zoodiver will chime in, but the multiple half flips of the tails and the jerky movements in the swim pattern tell me that they a utilizing extra of energy navigating the width of the tank.

There is a store 1 hr from me that's has 3 black tips in a 17,000g tank. I would guess its 20-25 ft long by 8-10ft wide and 7-8ft tall and the tank looked small for them. The tank was much bigger than one of the intex pools you often see used for sharks

12/16/2014, 09:06 PM	#152
Dmorty217 Saltwater Addict Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Vandalia OHIO Posts: 11,624	What are fish that shouldn't be kept with sharks outside of the ones that may become a snack? I thought I had read somewhere that some fish may pick at the eyes of sharks? Is this true and if so which fish? __________________ Fish are not disposable commodities, but a worthwhile investment that can be maintained and enjoyed for many years, providing one is willing to take the time to understand their requirements and needs Current Tank Info: 625g, 220g sump, RD3 230w, Vectra L1 on a closed loop, 3 MP60s, MP40. Several QTs

12/16/2014, 10:14 PM	#153
alprazo Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 1,695 Blog Entries: 4	Angels, puffers, triggers, filefish all have a bad reputation. Not just for eyes, but also skin. Every individual fish is different though and there is no rule, just recommendations. __________________ NOT Moved on.

12/17/2014, 07:31 AM	#154
Zoodiver As seen on TV Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: South FL Posts: 571	Yeah, generally in small (home size) aquariums, and grazer will go for eyes / fins of benthic sharks. That being said, with enough volume and the right set up, you can get some very interesting species combinations. __________________ Real tanks require a wetsuit to clean.

12/18/2014, 09:43 AM	#155
Dmorty217 Saltwater Addict Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Vandalia OHIO Posts: 11,624	The 625 I have is 84x72x24" __________________ Fish are not disposable commodities, but a worthwhile investment that can be maintained and enjoyed for many years, providing one is willing to take the time to understand their requirements and needs Current Tank Info: 625g, 220g sump, RD3 230w, Vectra L1 on a closed loop, 3 MP60s, MP40. Several QTs

12/20/2014, 07:58 AM	#156
alprazo Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 1,695 Blog Entries: 4	I'm asked frequently about how to sex sharks. Even when contacting online fish places, that we all know, I've been told they can sex juveniles or can't sex them at all. This is simply untrue. Male sharks have external reproductive organs called claspers. The are present at birth and are easily identifiable. Below is a great example. As they mature they elongate, as pups they are small, but always present in males. __________________ NOT Moved on.

12/02/2014, 09:59 PM	#151
Yom4 Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Posts: 2	Great thread! I am an experienced fresh and marine hobbyist and a few days ago I acquired a fairly famous coral cat shark that is at least a year and a half old and he now calls my 265 home. I rearranged the base/live rock so he has a pass through behind it in addition to the open front. The famous part is he is from the Pittsburgh Pirate "shark tank". Was just reading up on everyone opinions and there seems to be a wealth of knowledge here. Good work guys and thank you.

12/29/2014, 08:18 PM	#157
Uc21 Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 35	Hi I've been on this forum for a while now just don't post much I was hoping maybe someone could help me out I've had many different sharks and rays before with no issues in the past my tank is 108 x 36 x 24 with an external overflow I have two marbled cat sharks with about 20 diff tangs and I just got a blue dot ray any body have any experience with getting them to eat I've had him for a week now and haven't seen him eat yet I've seen him go through the sand but he dosnt go after any food wen I feed the tank I've tried krill and silversides so far . And I was also wondering if anybody makes there own frozen food from seafood you find at the super market.

12/29/2014, 09:25 PM	#159
Dmorty217 Saltwater Addict Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Vandalia OHIO Posts: 11,624	Anytime I have seen one on DD it's eating live glass shrimp. I would find some place to source some from __________________ Fish are not disposable commodities, but a worthwhile investment that can be maintained and enjoyed for many years, providing one is willing to take the time to understand their requirements and needs Current Tank Info: 625g, 220g sump, RD3 230w, Vectra L1 on a closed loop, 3 MP60s, MP40. Several QTs

12/29/2014, 09:26 PM	#160
alprazo Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 1,695 Blog Entries: 4	I would start tube feeds. It probably hasn't eaten since capture. __________________ NOT Moved on.

12/29/2014, 09:39 PM	#161
Uc21 Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 35	Thank you for the responses but I never had to tube feed a ray how do I go about doing that.

12/29/2014, 09:44 PM	#162
Uc21 Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 35	When buying at a super market anything I should stay away from can parasites be a problem I'd like to buy some shrimp squid some type of fish cut it up and freeze it

12/30/2014, 09:10 AM	#163
Dmorty217 Saltwater Addict Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Vandalia OHIO Posts: 11,624	How big is the ray? Search force feeding a shark, you can see a video alprazo made back in 2012 on how to do it. __________________ Fish are not disposable commodities, but a worthwhile investment that can be maintained and enjoyed for many years, providing one is willing to take the time to understand their requirements and needs Current Tank Info: 625g, 220g sump, RD3 230w, Vectra L1 on a closed loop, 3 MP60s, MP40. Several QTs

12/30/2014, 08:02 PM	#164
Uc21 Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 35	Thank you He's about 6" across tried squid today that didn't work either the the rest of the tank loved it so I guess tube feeding it is any tips on how to keep his barb away

01/01/2015, 02:58 PM	#165
alprazo Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 1,695 Blog Entries: 4	I still have her today - and is about 24 inches long. __________________ NOT Moved on.

01/01/2015, 03:06 PM	#166
alprazo Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 1,695 Blog Entries: 4	Just flip the ray on its back, the barb will not be an issue. You could also remove it. It is quite easy. *The image is curtesy of Zoodiver* __________________ NOT Moved on.

01/01/2015, 07:52 PM	#167
Uc21 Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 35	Thank you going go try tomorrow

01/02/2015, 01:36 PM	#168
Zoodiver As seen on TV Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: South FL Posts: 571	Hey, I know that guy! __________________ Real tanks require a wetsuit to clean.

01/05/2015, 10:24 AM	#170
vincentgwg Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Posts: 3	Fiberglass tanks are more affordable

01/13/2015, 09:45 PM	#172
coralfriend Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 35	Sorry for stolen this thread! I think all shark lover would like to see any informations related with shark. Therefore I post it here. I promised that I would not do it next time! Just for sharing! My friend's shark tank(Hong Kong) (8.5 feet wide, 18 feet long, 5 feet depth) Two black tip reef shark (Carcharhinus melanopterus) One white tip reef shark (Triaenodon obesus) Some Chiloscyllium griseum (Not shown on video because too small) (Just sharing) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rm_iPWz1IwY Last edited by coralfriend; 01/13/2015 at 09:58 PM.

01/13/2015, 10:08 PM	#173
TNTtropical Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 337	WOw that is quite the tank!!

01/13/2015, 10:31 PM	#174
alprazo Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 1,695 Blog Entries: 4	It a nice huge tank but imo those black tips are too big for it. I don't have a ton of experience with ORVs so Maybe zoodiver will chime in, but the multiple half flips of the tails and the jerky movements in the swim pattern tell me that they a utilizing extra of energy navigating the width of the tank. __________________ NOT Moved on.