The Journey - 300+ Gallon System Build - Picture Heavy - Page 7

Newbie Aquarist · 03/13/2013, 09:02 AM

After reefing I believe your second calling is window tinting.

bpcardona · 03/13/2013, 09:56 AM

Next update, and the most painful.

Plumbing:

So I decided to go with two pumps. Both are Reeflo Darts. One will control the display turnover and the chiller. The other will run a manifold with various equipment. I had a second hole drilled in the tank (again by FAOIS) and it looked great! (Foreshadowing: theres a problem coming soon). I spent a lot of time dry fitting all the pipes. I finally got around to gluing everything together. I save the pump fittings for, think these fitting were the most expensive.

So here it is:

The tanks discharge (right side)

Discharge right side

Exit the wall into the garage

Pumps

Manifold

Tank return

worm5406 · 03/13/2013, 11:41 AM

I do not see any problems coming.

Well except for that orange cord behind the manifolds and that ipad charger.

Newbie Aquarist · 03/13/2013, 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by worm5406

I do not see any problems coming.

Well except for that orange cord behind the manifolds and that ipad charger.

I totally agree. So far everything looking good.

SuperDodge · 03/13/2013, 05:09 PM

I'm watching the thread! I'm impressed!

tgunn · 03/13/2013, 06:28 PM

Looks good so far. The dart is an awesome flow pump! Wish I'd never gotten the big sequence 1000 (hammerhead equiv) instead of it.

owenspackman · 03/13/2013, 06:37 PM

Looking good, what are you planning to run off the manifolds?

FUA · 03/14/2013, 04:15 AM

Still here, great work!!

rishma · 03/14/2013, 05:14 AM

fun read. thank you for posting. As you can see by my post/year ratio, I agree it is a lot of work to post.

I hope the manifold works out for you. You definitely made a good call not putting it on the same pump as your return. You would never have been able to reliably maintain a siphon over time.

The manifold valves look a little challenging to access/plumb based on the picture. The height above the ground/above the sump and the distance between them make routing each line a bit tricky. I am sure you can pull it off.

Newbie Aquarist · 03/14/2013, 08:51 AM

Great progress b. Don't keep us hanging.

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Darkblack · 03/14/2013, 09:00 AM

Well thought .great tank

bpcardona · 03/14/2013, 01:17 PM

Thanks everyone for stroking my ego a bit. I guess everyone needs that from time to time. The charger is there because my phone was going dead, and I needed to take pictures for you guys. The manifold will run a frag tank, the protien skimmer, reactors, and a denitrifier. It will be a bit tricky to plumb at first but once done it won't be hard at all. It is just an arm reach behind the sump. I plan on labeling the line and marking the sweet spots. This way I can fine tune when needed, and am not just willy nilly the turns. I will continue the update once I get home.

Again thanks for letting me know you are watching. Knowing that someone is watching your every move make you pay close attention to what you are doing. Makes you not cut corners, and for that I am grateful.

worm5406 · 03/14/2013, 03:38 PM

LOL.... well good... I am ready to see more pictures and follow and post behind you too. SO...

I like it. What is troubling you and the layout?

bpcardona · 03/14/2013, 05:04 PM

So her comes the issue that I had:

I spent the time to dry plumb everything and insure all fit well. As I said I saved the glueing of the pump side for last. Well as I was screwing the true union ball vale (just before the pump) I hear, "POP!!!!". Directly below my 2" bulkhead a crack! No I didn't take a picture, and I don't want to hear about it. There were a lot of words coming from my mouth and none of them consisted of "Get my phone." So what am I to do? I did what any reasonable man with a tube of silicone would do. I pilled it on thick on both sides and let it dry. The results are shown below. (Once I calmed down I got the phone)

owenspackman · 03/14/2013, 06:10 PM

Oh no. Am I seeing that right, it cracked the glass? Wow, If so, im sorry to hear that. How thick is the glass?

owenspackman · 03/14/2013, 06:13 PM

The cracks on the sump right? Not on the tank?

bpcardona · 03/14/2013, 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by owenspackman

The cracks on the sump right? Not on the tank?

Right this is in the sump. My saving graces is that it cracked on the bottom of the hole, and it cracked down. This means it cracked all the way down to the bottom of the glass and will not travel.

owenspackman · 03/14/2013, 06:21 PM

i had exactly the same thing happen in my acrylic sump. Did the crack travel all the way through. can you drain that portion of the sump as much you can and get the silicone inside also? I did the same as you, siliconed the crack (inside and out even though it hadn't made it all the way through) then all around the edge of the bulkhead (inside and out).

I had the smallest leak that sealed up after 24-48 hours of the tank running with saltwater.

bpcardona · 03/14/2013, 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by owenspackman

i had exactly the same thing happen in my acrylic sump. Did the crack travel all the way through. can you drain that portion of the sump as much you can and get the silicone inside also? I did the same as you, siliconed the crack (inside and out even though it hadn't made it all the way through) then all around the edge of the bulkhead (inside and out).

I had the smallest leak that sealed up after 24-48 hours of the tank running with saltwater.

This all occurred during my leak test. I drained the sump, and sealed the #*@& out if the crack. I have ran it for 48 hours without problems. So I guess we will see.

owenspackman · 03/14/2013, 06:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bpcardona

This all occurred during my leak test. I drained the sump, and sealed the #*@& out if the crack. I have ran it for 48 hours without problems. So I guess we will see.

Hopefully you'll be fine like my old sump. I just don't know how glass cracks and acrylic cracks differ over time.

worm5406 · 03/14/2013, 09:28 PM

At least the sump is not a lot of pressure.

If push comes to shove you can replace it.

Good job at keeping your composure and not breaking the rest of the glass.

When I get my 120 in place I sure hope I do not get the same.

Keep on trucking.

Jeff52478 · 03/14/2013, 10:07 PM

I will be following along also. I will be starting a 220g build in the next few months. I like your ideas and might have to rethink some of my planing. lol Keep up the good work!

rishma · 03/15/2013, 05:56 AM

if you do decide to replace the sump, put your hole further from the edge. I suggest 2 diameters between the hole and nearest edge. If the hole is too close, the stress in the remaining ligament puts you at risk for failure.

worm5406 · 03/15/2013, 11:35 PM

OK So what did we get done today?

Poriferan · 03/16/2013, 01:07 AM

Lurking and following. Looks good so far. I think the sump will hold. I went to an aquarium fish distributor and a large percent of their tanks had been "fixed" with silicone.

03/13/2013, 09:56 AM	#152
bpcardona Trying to hard Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Lake Alfred, Fl Posts: 871	Next update, and the most painful. Plumbing: So I decided to go with two pumps. Both are Reeflo Darts. One will control the display turnover and the chiller. The other will run a manifold with various equipment. I had a second hole drilled in the tank (again by FAOIS) and it looked great! (Foreshadowing: theres a problem coming soon). I spent a lot of time dry fitting all the pipes. I finally got around to gluing everything together. I save the pump fittings for, think these fitting were the most expensive. So here it is: The tanks discharge (right side) Discharge right side Exit the wall into the garage Pumps Manifold Tank return __________________ --Brian--- Tanks: 220G DT - 55G custom sump - 40G frag - 40G QT - Livestock: Clowns - Blonde Naso Tang - Blue Hippo Tang - Diamond Watchman Goby - Molly Miller -

03/13/2013, 11:41 AM	#153
worm5406 Not afriad to admit wrong Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: South of WashDC in Maryland Posts: 7,774	I do not see any problems coming. Well except for that orange cord behind the manifolds and that ipad charger. __________________ Stock:LPS/SPS\|1 hippo\|4 OC Clown\|4 Pepp shrimp\|2 Brittle Star\|3000+ Copepods\|10+ MiniBrittle\|8+ Bristle Worm\|2 Anemone\|100+ mini-feather\|4 boys 14,21,22,22 Current Tank Info: Tank:300g Mixed Reef 300+lb LR\|4" LS\|5x MP40W\|75g fuge\|5x RadionPRO\|RO DB250 skimmer\|Apex

03/13/2013, 05:09 PM	#155
SuperDodge Cleaner of Fish Poo Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Greenville, SC Posts: 237	I'm watching the thread! I'm impressed! __________________ 112 Gallon Reef Savvy with Ghost Overflow 2 Radions (Gen 2) - 2 Vortech MP40wQD - My Reef Creations 36" Reef Sump - Red Sea Reefer RSK-600 - Neptune COR 20 - Avast Marine Vibe - Apex Controlled Current Tank Info: Reef Savvy Rimless

03/14/2013, 01:17 PM	#162
bpcardona Trying to hard Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Lake Alfred, Fl Posts: 871	Thanks everyone for stroking my ego a bit. I guess everyone needs that from time to time. The charger is there because my phone was going dead, and I needed to take pictures for you guys. The manifold will run a frag tank, the protien skimmer, reactors, and a denitrifier. It will be a bit tricky to plumb at first but once done it won't be hard at all. It is just an arm reach behind the sump. I plan on labeling the line and marking the sweet spots. This way I can fine tune when needed, and am not just willy nilly the turns. I will continue the update once I get home. Again thanks for letting me know you are watching. Knowing that someone is watching your every move make you pay close attention to what you are doing. Makes you not cut corners, and for that I am grateful. __________________ --Brian--- Tanks: 220G DT - 55G custom sump - 40G frag - 40G QT - Livestock: Clowns - Blonde Naso Tang - Blue Hippo Tang - Diamond Watchman Goby - Molly Miller -

03/14/2013, 03:38 PM	#163
worm5406 Not afriad to admit wrong Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: South of WashDC in Maryland Posts: 7,774	LOL.... well good... I am ready to see more pictures and follow and post behind you too. SO... I like it. What is troubling you and the layout? __________________ Stock:LPS/SPS\|1 hippo\|4 OC Clown\|4 Pepp shrimp\|2 Brittle Star\|3000+ Copepods\|10+ MiniBrittle\|8+ Bristle Worm\|2 Anemone\|100+ mini-feather\|4 boys 14,21,22,22 Current Tank Info: Tank:300g Mixed Reef 300+lb LR\|4" LS\|5x MP40W\|75g fuge\|5x RadionPRO\|RO DB250 skimmer\|Apex

03/13/2013, 09:02 AM	#151
Newbie Aquarist Reefing is my middle name Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Clearwater, FL Posts: 5,796	After reefing I believe your second calling is window tinting.

03/13/2013, 06:28 PM	#156
tgunn Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Cupertino, CA USA Posts: 4,027	Looks good so far. The dart is an awesome flow pump! Wish I'd never gotten the big sequence 1000 (hammerhead equiv) instead of it.

03/13/2013, 06:37 PM	#157
owenspackman Registered Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Charleston, SC Posts: 835	Looking good, what are you planning to run off the manifolds?

03/14/2013, 04:15 AM	#158
FUA Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Upstate New York Posts: 863	Still here, great work!!

03/14/2013, 05:14 AM	#159
rishma Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Mississippi Posts: 1,206	fun read. thank you for posting. As you can see by my post/year ratio, I agree it is a lot of work to post. I hope the manifold works out for you. You definitely made a good call not putting it on the same pump as your return. You would never have been able to reliably maintain a siphon over time. The manifold valves look a little challenging to access/plumb based on the picture. The height above the ground/above the sump and the distance between them make routing each line a bit tricky. I am sure you can pull it off.

03/14/2013, 08:51 AM	#160
Newbie Aquarist Reefing is my middle name Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Clearwater, FL Posts: 5,796	Great progress b. Don't keep us hanging. Sent from my iPhone using Siri and Tapatalk.

03/14/2013, 09:00 AM	#161
Darkblack Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 19	Well thought .great tank

03/14/2013, 05:04 PM	#164
bpcardona Trying to hard Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Lake Alfred, Fl Posts: 871	The plumbing issue So her comes the issue that I had: I spent the time to dry plumb everything and insure all fit well. As I said I saved the glueing of the pump side for last. Well as I was screwing the true union ball vale (just before the pump) I hear, "POP!!!!". Directly below my 2" bulkhead a crack! No I didn't take a picture, and I don't want to hear about it. There were a lot of words coming from my mouth and none of them consisted of "Get my phone." So what am I to do? I did what any reasonable man with a tube of silicone would do. I pilled it on thick on both sides and let it dry. The results are shown below. (Once I calmed down I got the phone) __________________ --Brian--- Tanks: 220G DT - 55G custom sump - 40G frag - 40G QT - Livestock: Clowns - Blonde Naso Tang - Blue Hippo Tang - Diamond Watchman Goby - Molly Miller -

03/14/2013, 06:10 PM	#165
owenspackman Registered Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Charleston, SC Posts: 835	Oh no. Am I seeing that right, it cracked the glass? Wow, If so, im sorry to hear that. How thick is the glass?

03/14/2013, 06:13 PM	#166
owenspackman Registered Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Charleston, SC Posts: 835	The cracks on the sump right? Not on the tank?

03/14/2013, 06:21 PM	#168
owenspackman Registered Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Charleston, SC Posts: 835	i had exactly the same thing happen in my acrylic sump. Did the crack travel all the way through. can you drain that portion of the sump as much you can and get the silicone inside also? I did the same as you, siliconed the crack (inside and out even though it hadn't made it all the way through) then all around the edge of the bulkhead (inside and out). I had the smallest leak that sealed up after 24-48 hours of the tank running with saltwater.

03/14/2013, 09:28 PM	#171
worm5406 Not afriad to admit wrong Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: South of WashDC in Maryland Posts: 7,774	At least the sump is not a lot of pressure. If push comes to shove you can replace it. Good job at keeping your composure and not breaking the rest of the glass. When I get my 120 in place I sure hope I do not get the same. Keep on trucking. __________________ Stock:LPS/SPS\|1 hippo\|4 OC Clown\|4 Pepp shrimp\|2 Brittle Star\|3000+ Copepods\|10+ MiniBrittle\|8+ Bristle Worm\|2 Anemone\|100+ mini-feather\|4 boys 14,21,22,22 Current Tank Info: Tank:300g Mixed Reef 300+lb LR\|4" LS\|5x MP40W\|75g fuge\|5x RadionPRO\|RO DB250 skimmer\|Apex

03/14/2013, 10:07 PM	#172
Jeff52478 Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 16	I will be following along also. I will be starting a 220g build in the next few months. I like your ideas and might have to rethink some of my planing. lol Keep up the good work!

03/15/2013, 05:56 AM	#173
rishma Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Mississippi Posts: 1,206	if you do decide to replace the sump, put your hole further from the edge. I suggest 2 diameters between the hole and nearest edge. If the hole is too close, the stress in the remaining ligament puts you at risk for failure.

03/15/2013, 11:35 PM	#174
worm5406 Not afriad to admit wrong Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: South of WashDC in Maryland Posts: 7,774	OK So what did we get done today? __________________ Stock:LPS/SPS\|1 hippo\|4 OC Clown\|4 Pepp shrimp\|2 Brittle Star\|3000+ Copepods\|10+ MiniBrittle\|8+ Bristle Worm\|2 Anemone\|100+ mini-feather\|4 boys 14,21,22,22 Current Tank Info: Tank:300g Mixed Reef 300+lb LR\|4" LS\|5x MP40W\|75g fuge\|5x RadionPRO\|RO DB250 skimmer\|Apex

03/16/2013, 01:07 AM	#175
Poriferan Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 418	Lurking and following. Looks good so far. I think the sump will hold. I went to an aquarium fish distributor and a large percent of their tanks had been "fixed" with silicone.