Rebuild and recovery of a dead tank - Page 71

jason2459 · 06/28/2016, 10:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by biecacka

Looking good buddy.

Corey

Thanks man. I'm excited to just have my microscope readily available now and not have to box it up after each use.

jason2459 · 06/28/2016, 10:48 PM

Thanks mr.bot. You having posted in my thread for a while now.

jason2459 · 07/04/2016, 08:00 PM

Yay! The old lady finally moved in with her new found mate.

jason2459 · 07/05/2016, 06:33 PM

Bud aka Floyd R Turbo (or something like that) aka turbo aquatics got me a new mortar screen for my warped as heck old screen that got baked for who knows how long.

Letting it soak a few days first.

jason2459 · 07/08/2016, 07:36 AM

I found this hilarious

So yes, a very warped screen will effect production...

Floyd R Turbo · 07/08/2016, 12:35 PM

OMG that is about as defined of a "burn spot" as you can possibly get!!!

jason2459 · 07/08/2016, 11:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Floyd R Turbo

OMG that is about as defined of a "burn spot" as you can possibly get!!!

I laughed pretty good when I pulled that out. Once I'm done playing with the metro here soon I'll put the new screen on and thanks again very much for sending that for me.

jason2459 · 07/10/2016, 11:17 PM

Lots of projects going on around the house not to mention this hobby. But I finally got around to hooking this up so no more extension cords to the apex power bars

2 separate dedicated 20 amp afci/gfci circuits.

There's 2 separate gfci circuits upstairs for the main display too. Life supports spread across circuits in case one pops.

jason2459 · 07/12/2016, 10:34 AM

I've moved my sump and water station and decided to go super simple.

65 gallon brute for rodi water, 23 gallon slimjim for ATO, 55 gallon brute for saltwater automatic water changes.

29 gallon rubbermaid tote is next to the 55g new saltmix brute not in the picture.

Mag 18 in the 65g rodi brute and when I need to fill one of the other containers up I just plug it in. 23g ATO and 29 gallon tote takes less then a minute and the 55g new saltmix brute about a minute.

jason2459 · 07/16/2016, 08:12 PM

Well I no longer have a pair of clown fish

jason2459 · 07/16/2016, 08:32 PM

In fact, I now have a mated pair of clown fish.

He's tending and she's protecting

And she will draw blood!

jason2459 · 07/17/2016, 08:26 AM

Orp dropped suddenly and drastically last night. Not sure why and probably wont know why. I looked around for anything dead or anemone shredded up but nothing.

Took the time to get my ozone generator hooked back up since the move its been disconnected.

biecacka · 07/18/2016, 06:00 PM

Jason, how many fish are in your 180? I'm following your skimmer posts in the other thread and 6 cups a day is an insane amount of skimmate to be pulling.

Corey

jason2459 · 07/18/2016, 06:16 PM

Good question

Fiji Yellow Leather (8" diameter maybe)
Duncan (50ish heads)
bunch of red mushrooms (15+)
ORA red goniopora (3ish" ball when fully retracted)
purple haze monti (2+" frag and growing)
9 RBTA's
1 GBTA
1 small minimax
1 small head of some kind of euphyllia coral

Other corals that I Can't rely on to judge reactions
1 frog spawn that hasn't recovered from a bad alk spike about 2-3 month ago
1 birds nest that also hasn't recovered from that bad alk spike
some kind of gorgonian coral (3ish") that's finally recovering from that alk spike a few months ago

Then I also have a LOT of sponges.

Fish:
Yellow Belly Blue Tang (~8")
A. pyroferus mimic tang (~6")
Desjardini Sailfin Tang (~5.5")
Yellow eye Kole Tang (~4+")
One spot fox face (~6")
2 Orange side fairy wrasses (~5")
Potters Leopard Wrasse (~5")
2 False Percs (~3.5")
2 Banggai Cardinals (~3.5")
Blue Dot Sleeper Goby (~5")
Yellow Watchman Goby (~5")
Mandarin (~3")
Flame Angel (~3.5")
Coral Beauty Angel (~3.5")
Bi-Color Angel (~3")
Matted file fish (~3")
9 blue green chromis (~1-2")
cleaner wrasse (~1.5")

Way to many asterina stars.
2 common starfish from kp aquatics
1 rapidly growing purple short spine rock urchin
Several peppermint shrimp
1 fighting conch
a few turbo snails
several other various snail
handful of blue leg hermits
tons of worms
999231409312840932850293840329849832749324809238408923794832709483 various pods

lots of aiptasia in the sump where I like them with a couple in the display

Feedings:
4x per day my automatic feeder dumps in some pellets NLS marine and NLS algaemax mixed together (12pm, 3pm, 6pm, 9pm)
2-3x per day I dump in some meaty foods
2-3 sheets of nori per day.

I'm sure I'm forgetting something.

jason2459 · 07/21/2016, 10:52 PM

Changed out the ATS screen for the Mortar screen Bud sent me. Thank you!

The warped screen has issues

I totally didnt think to get a pic until I was done scraping but here you can see the bare area in the middle again. Great production around the edges.

I did check to make sure all the red led jumpers were set right that cuts down on their intensity while a screen starts up. But they were all set right on both sides.

New screen is now running.

Floyd R Turbo · 07/22/2016, 10:02 AM

When did you end up starting the screen up? That's max 2 weeks of growth from scratch, killer!

jason2459 · 07/22/2016, 10:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Floyd R Turbo

When did you end up starting the screen up? That's max 2 weeks of growth from scratch, killer!

Just started the ATS up recently. That burned out shot was the 3rd cleaning I think. First 2 were around 1 week apart. Then that 3rd one was 2 weeks apart and same with this last one. I'm excited to get this back going 100% again across the screen with the new mortar screen.

Edit: 6/16 was the first cleaning one week out from starting so around 6/9

Floyd R Turbo · 07/22/2016, 10:29 AM

Oh I gotcha, for a second there I thought that was the new mortar screen in that last pic, that didn't seem to make sense but hey you never know...

jason2459 · 07/22/2016, 10:32 AM

Ha! Yeah that would be insane. So this will be a good back to back startup to see how fast the mortar screen gets to producing that thick algae mat.

jason2459 · 07/22/2016, 10:46 PM

I picked up a used seneye and have it running now for the last couple days. Just something to play with and primarily got it for the par meter on it. I haven't tested that out yet.

Temp has been reading consistently about 2 degrees F lower then my Apex and digital thermometer I have all next to each other. pH has been pretty well tracking and the same as the Apex. Temp isn't a big deal as I can mentally note the differences and calibrate in my head. Plus, I have many things checking and controlling temp (Apex, Ranco, built in heater thermostats, digital thermometer, and now the seneye.)

The Seneye also tracks ammonia. Many say this is only useful for new tanks or QT and many established tank owners dismiss the seneye as not very useful. About 2 years ago I think it was my tank took a turn for the worse due to some mold mildew cleaner spray getting into it (not by me...). It lead to practically all inverts dieing and several fish deaths which I think was most likely caused by ammonia spikes from the invert deaths.

If the seneye was monitoring it would have alerted me to the tank going downhill and I may have been able to save some of those fish before the ammonia spiked to high. Probably not the inverts.

Now I don't think manual ammonia or nitrite testing is very useful at all for the established tank but the constant monitoring from the seneye and it's cloud capabilities of alerting you via email and text I found could be very useful. I hope I never need it again but it's like insurance isn't it especially since the seneye requires slides to be replaced every 35 days to monitor pH and ammonia. Plus side, is that each slide renewal is recalibrating itself.

I've also flound it very interesting to see my ammonia goes up to 0.01ppb and back down to 0.001ppb every day with a steady up swing through out the day to midnightish and s steady down swing after that. At some point I will look at the trends and see what it coordinates with.

Some side by side screen shots of the two.

Would be nice to see seneye develop this further like the mindstream and keep costs down for the consumables.

jason2459 · 07/27/2016, 10:48 PM

Damn, the mortar screen is where it's at. There's already GHA attaching and starting to grow. Thank You Turbo Aquatics for sending me this replacement Kick @55 screen!

First week and first quick swipe

Floyd R Turbo · 07/28/2016, 09:07 AM

Nice!!

jason2459 · 07/28/2016, 07:00 PM

Decided I didn't like two circuits in one box and split them up. Just on the off wild chance of an arc between the two. The CAFCI should kill it quickly if it happens but I'd rather prevent the possibility from happening.

Those are some kick butt surge protectors too in a nice small package.

But I have a front line of defense before even those that helps protect the whole house. For some reason I've ran into the whole CAFCI/GFCI/SPD subject quite a bit recently.

Whole home SPD

I highly recommend either that hepd80 or the eaton ultra.

Frostyfishman · 07/28/2016, 08:41 PM

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jason2459 · 07/28/2016, 08:43 PM

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Hello peoples.

06/28/2016, 10:48 PM	#1752
jason2459 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Iowa Posts: 9,671	Thanks mr.bot. You having posted in my thread for a while now. __________________ rebuild and recovery log: No more red house, you'll have to click on my name and visit my homepage! You can check out my parameters at reeftronics dot net website and look for my username. Current Tank Info: 180g mixed reef w/ a beananimal overflow to a dolomite RRUGF. \| 20g long G. Smithii Mantis Tank

07/04/2016, 08:00 PM	#1753
jason2459 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Iowa Posts: 9,671	Yay! The old lady finally moved in with her new found mate. __________________ rebuild and recovery log: No more red house, you'll have to click on my name and visit my homepage! You can check out my parameters at reeftronics dot net website and look for my username. Current Tank Info: 180g mixed reef w/ a beananimal overflow to a dolomite RRUGF. \| 20g long G. Smithii Mantis Tank

07/05/2016, 06:33 PM	#1754
jason2459 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Iowa Posts: 9,671	Bud aka Floyd R Turbo (or something like that) aka turbo aquatics got me a new mortar screen for my warped as heck old screen that got baked for who knows how long. Letting it soak a few days first. __________________ rebuild and recovery log: No more red house, you'll have to click on my name and visit my homepage! You can check out my parameters at reeftronics dot net website and look for my username. Current Tank Info: 180g mixed reef w/ a beananimal overflow to a dolomite RRUGF. \| 20g long G. Smithii Mantis Tank

07/08/2016, 07:36 AM	#1755
jason2459 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Iowa Posts: 9,671	I found this hilarious So yes, a very warped screen will effect production... __________________ rebuild and recovery log: No more red house, you'll have to click on my name and visit my homepage! You can check out my parameters at reeftronics dot net website and look for my username. Current Tank Info: 180g mixed reef w/ a beananimal overflow to a dolomite RRUGF. \| 20g long G. Smithii Mantis Tank

07/08/2016, 12:35 PM	#1756
Floyd R Turbo Either busy or sleeping Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: West Des Moines, IA Posts: 4,265 Blog Entries: 15	OMG that is about as defined of a "burn spot" as you can possibly get!!! __________________ Algae Scrubber Basics!!! GOOGLE "algaescrubber zoho" General Interest Forums --> Advanced Topics --> Algae Scrubber Basics (sticky) --> POSTS #3251-64 (Basics), #5206 (Cleaning), #6884 (LEDs), #729

07/10/2016, 11:17 PM	#1758
jason2459 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Iowa Posts: 9,671	Lots of projects going on around the house not to mention this hobby. But I finally got around to hooking this up so no more extension cords to the apex power bars 2 separate dedicated 20 amp afci/gfci circuits. There's 2 separate gfci circuits upstairs for the main display too. Life supports spread across circuits in case one pops. __________________ rebuild and recovery log: No more red house, you'll have to click on my name and visit my homepage! You can check out my parameters at reeftronics dot net website and look for my username. Current Tank Info: 180g mixed reef w/ a beananimal overflow to a dolomite RRUGF. \| 20g long G. Smithii Mantis Tank

07/12/2016, 10:34 AM	#1759
jason2459 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Iowa Posts: 9,671	I've moved my sump and water station and decided to go super simple. 65 gallon brute for rodi water, 23 gallon slimjim for ATO, 55 gallon brute for saltwater automatic water changes. 29 gallon rubbermaid tote is next to the 55g new saltmix brute not in the picture. Mag 18 in the 65g rodi brute and when I need to fill one of the other containers up I just plug it in. 23g ATO and 29 gallon tote takes less then a minute and the 55g new saltmix brute about a minute. __________________ rebuild and recovery log: No more red house, you'll have to click on my name and visit my homepage! You can check out my parameters at reeftronics dot net website and look for my username. Current Tank Info: 180g mixed reef w/ a beananimal overflow to a dolomite RRUGF. \| 20g long G. Smithii Mantis Tank

07/16/2016, 08:12 PM	#1760
jason2459 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Iowa Posts: 9,671	Well I no longer have a pair of clown fish __________________ rebuild and recovery log: No more red house, you'll have to click on my name and visit my homepage! You can check out my parameters at reeftronics dot net website and look for my username. Current Tank Info: 180g mixed reef w/ a beananimal overflow to a dolomite RRUGF. \| 20g long G. Smithii Mantis Tank

07/16/2016, 08:32 PM	#1761
jason2459 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Iowa Posts: 9,671	In fact, I now have a mated pair of clown fish. He's tending and she's protecting And she will draw blood! __________________ rebuild and recovery log: No more red house, you'll have to click on my name and visit my homepage! You can check out my parameters at reeftronics dot net website and look for my username. Current Tank Info: 180g mixed reef w/ a beananimal overflow to a dolomite RRUGF. \| 20g long G. Smithii Mantis Tank

07/17/2016, 08:26 AM	#1762
jason2459 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Iowa Posts: 9,671	Orp dropped suddenly and drastically last night. Not sure why and probably wont know why. I looked around for anything dead or anemone shredded up but nothing. Took the time to get my ozone generator hooked back up since the move its been disconnected. __________________ rebuild and recovery log: No more red house, you'll have to click on my name and visit my homepage! You can check out my parameters at reeftronics dot net website and look for my username. Current Tank Info: 180g mixed reef w/ a beananimal overflow to a dolomite RRUGF. \| 20g long G. Smithii Mantis Tank

07/18/2016, 06:00 PM	#1763
biecacka Registered Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Columbus Ohio Posts: 6,361	Jason, how many fish are in your 180? I'm following your skimmer posts in the other thread and 6 cups a day is an insane amount of skimmate to be pulling. Corey

07/18/2016, 06:16 PM	#1764
jason2459 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Iowa Posts: 9,671	Good question Fiji Yellow Leather (8" diameter maybe) Duncan (50ish heads) bunch of red mushrooms (15+) ORA red goniopora (3ish" ball when fully retracted) purple haze monti (2+" frag and growing) 9 RBTA's 1 GBTA 1 small minimax 1 small head of some kind of euphyllia coral Other corals that I Can't rely on to judge reactions 1 frog spawn that hasn't recovered from a bad alk spike about 2-3 month ago 1 birds nest that also hasn't recovered from that bad alk spike some kind of gorgonian coral (3ish") that's finally recovering from that alk spike a few months ago Then I also have a LOT of sponges. Fish: Yellow Belly Blue Tang (~8") A. pyroferus mimic tang (~6") Desjardini Sailfin Tang (~5.5") Yellow eye Kole Tang (~4+") One spot fox face (~6") 2 Orange side fairy wrasses (~5") Potters Leopard Wrasse (~5") 2 False Percs (~3.5") 2 Banggai Cardinals (~3.5") Blue Dot Sleeper Goby (~5") Yellow Watchman Goby (~5") Mandarin (~3") Flame Angel (~3.5") Coral Beauty Angel (~3.5") Bi-Color Angel (~3") Matted file fish (~3") 9 blue green chromis (~1-2") cleaner wrasse (~1.5") Way to many asterina stars. 2 common starfish from kp aquatics 1 rapidly growing purple short spine rock urchin Several peppermint shrimp 1 fighting conch a few turbo snails several other various snail handful of blue leg hermits tons of worms 999231409312840932850293840329849832749324809238408923794832709483 various pods lots of aiptasia in the sump where I like them with a couple in the display Feedings: 4x per day my automatic feeder dumps in some pellets NLS marine and NLS algaemax mixed together (12pm, 3pm, 6pm, 9pm) 2-3x per day I dump in some meaty foods 2-3 sheets of nori per day. I'm sure I'm forgetting something. __________________ rebuild and recovery log: No more red house, you'll have to click on my name and visit my homepage! You can check out my parameters at reeftronics dot net website and look for my username. Current Tank Info: 180g mixed reef w/ a beananimal overflow to a dolomite RRUGF. \| 20g long G. Smithii Mantis Tank

07/21/2016, 10:52 PM	#1765
jason2459 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Iowa Posts: 9,671	Changed out the ATS screen for the Mortar screen Bud sent me. Thank you! The warped screen has issues I totally didnt think to get a pic until I was done scraping but here you can see the bare area in the middle again. Great production around the edges. I did check to make sure all the red led jumpers were set right that cuts down on their intensity while a screen starts up. But they were all set right on both sides. New screen is now running. __________________ rebuild and recovery log: No more red house, you'll have to click on my name and visit my homepage! You can check out my parameters at reeftronics dot net website and look for my username. Current Tank Info: 180g mixed reef w/ a beananimal overflow to a dolomite RRUGF. \| 20g long G. Smithii Mantis Tank

07/22/2016, 10:02 AM	#1766
Floyd R Turbo Either busy or sleeping Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: West Des Moines, IA Posts: 4,265 Blog Entries: 15	When did you end up starting the screen up? That's max 2 weeks of growth from scratch, killer! __________________ Algae Scrubber Basics!!! GOOGLE "algaescrubber zoho" General Interest Forums --> Advanced Topics --> Algae Scrubber Basics (sticky) --> POSTS #3251-64 (Basics), #5206 (Cleaning), #6884 (LEDs), #729

07/22/2016, 10:29 AM	#1768
Floyd R Turbo Either busy or sleeping Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: West Des Moines, IA Posts: 4,265 Blog Entries: 15	Oh I gotcha, for a second there I thought that was the new mortar screen in that last pic, that didn't seem to make sense but hey you never know... __________________ Algae Scrubber Basics!!! GOOGLE "algaescrubber zoho" General Interest Forums --> Advanced Topics --> Algae Scrubber Basics (sticky) --> POSTS #3251-64 (Basics), #5206 (Cleaning), #6884 (LEDs), #729

07/22/2016, 10:32 AM	#1769
jason2459 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Iowa Posts: 9,671	Ha! Yeah that would be insane. So this will be a good back to back startup to see how fast the mortar screen gets to producing that thick algae mat. __________________ rebuild and recovery log: No more red house, you'll have to click on my name and visit my homepage! You can check out my parameters at reeftronics dot net website and look for my username. Current Tank Info: 180g mixed reef w/ a beananimal overflow to a dolomite RRUGF. \| 20g long G. Smithii Mantis Tank

07/22/2016, 10:46 PM	#1770
jason2459 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Iowa Posts: 9,671	I picked up a used seneye and have it running now for the last couple days. Just something to play with and primarily got it for the par meter on it. I haven't tested that out yet. Temp has been reading consistently about 2 degrees F lower then my Apex and digital thermometer I have all next to each other. pH has been pretty well tracking and the same as the Apex. Temp isn't a big deal as I can mentally note the differences and calibrate in my head. Plus, I have many things checking and controlling temp (Apex, Ranco, built in heater thermostats, digital thermometer, and now the seneye.) The Seneye also tracks ammonia. Many say this is only useful for new tanks or QT and many established tank owners dismiss the seneye as not very useful. About 2 years ago I think it was my tank took a turn for the worse due to some mold mildew cleaner spray getting into it (not by me...). It lead to practically all inverts dieing and several fish deaths which I think was most likely caused by ammonia spikes from the invert deaths. If the seneye was monitoring it would have alerted me to the tank going downhill and I may have been able to save some of those fish before the ammonia spiked to high. Probably not the inverts. Now I don't think manual ammonia or nitrite testing is very useful at all for the established tank but the constant monitoring from the seneye and it's cloud capabilities of alerting you via email and text I found could be very useful. I hope I never need it again but it's like insurance isn't it especially since the seneye requires slides to be replaced every 35 days to monitor pH and ammonia. Plus side, is that each slide renewal is recalibrating itself. I've also flound it very interesting to see my ammonia goes up to 0.01ppb and back down to 0.001ppb every day with a steady up swing through out the day to midnightish and s steady down swing after that. At some point I will look at the trends and see what it coordinates with. Some side by side screen shots of the two. Would be nice to see seneye develop this further like the mindstream and keep costs down for the consumables. __________________ rebuild and recovery log: No more red house, you'll have to click on my name and visit my homepage! You can check out my parameters at reeftronics dot net website and look for my username. Current Tank Info: 180g mixed reef w/ a beananimal overflow to a dolomite RRUGF. \| 20g long G. Smithii Mantis Tank Last edited by jason2459; 07/22/2016 at 11:09 PM.

07/27/2016, 10:48 PM	#1771
jason2459 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Iowa Posts: 9,671	Damn, the mortar screen is where it's at. There's already GHA attaching and starting to grow. Thank You Turbo Aquatics for sending me this replacement Kick @55 screen! First week and first quick swipe __________________ rebuild and recovery log: No more red house, you'll have to click on my name and visit my homepage! You can check out my parameters at reeftronics dot net website and look for my username. Current Tank Info: 180g mixed reef w/ a beananimal overflow to a dolomite RRUGF. \| 20g long G. Smithii Mantis Tank

07/28/2016, 09:07 AM	#1772
Floyd R Turbo Either busy or sleeping Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: West Des Moines, IA Posts: 4,265 Blog Entries: 15	Nice!! __________________ Algae Scrubber Basics!!! GOOGLE "algaescrubber zoho" General Interest Forums --> Advanced Topics --> Algae Scrubber Basics (sticky) --> POSTS #3251-64 (Basics), #5206 (Cleaning), #6884 (LEDs), #729

07/28/2016, 07:00 PM	#1773
jason2459 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Iowa Posts: 9,671	Decided I didn't like two circuits in one box and split them up. Just on the off wild chance of an arc between the two. The CAFCI should kill it quickly if it happens but I'd rather prevent the possibility from happening. Those are some kick butt surge protectors too in a nice small package. But I have a front line of defense before even those that helps protect the whole house. For some reason I've ran into the whole CAFCI/GFCI/SPD subject quite a bit recently. Whole home SPD I highly recommend either that hepd80 or the eaton ultra. __________________ rebuild and recovery log: No more red house, you'll have to click on my name and visit my homepage! You can check out my parameters at reeftronics dot net website and look for my username. Current Tank Info: 180g mixed reef w/ a beananimal overflow to a dolomite RRUGF. \| 20g long G. Smithii Mantis Tank

07/28/2016, 08:41 PM	#1774
Frostyfishman Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2015 Posts: 216	This thread has 154,199 views