NEW plumbing method for an ULTRA QUIET REEF TANK!!!! LONG !!!!

[dwebster86]

Originally Posted by SGT_York

a valve on the return will reduce the amount of water going into the display tank. a valve on the drain removes the air silencing the drain without reducing the flow. Very different results.

The drain height is established by your weir. Your drain heights just need to be less than that they don't significantly affect overflows in your sump.

Okay maybe that's my issue. I was turning down the flow on the return lines I have to get the noise to stop. Figured out I have to almost shut them off completely to silence it. So adjust the drain lines instead?

[SGT_York]

Yes adjust the drain lines not the return. Gate valve is a near requirement as a ball valve is very difficult to tune a herbie with.

With a herbie (just a plain open top pipe for the siphon line) there is no start up time and no air to purge. (horizontal runs are the exception) You can just place the valve right under the tank without an issue. The Bean Animal setup has a start time that is caused by the elbows in the siphon line physically lifting the water, a herbie has no lift so there is no "real siphon" and no start up time. This makes it much better for flow and adaptability, but takes up considerably more space in the display. Even with a herbie use the Bean Animal setup for the other two pipes.

[reefid]

Still have the same problem, main drain after two days starting to clog. I have to readjust the gate valve to stabilized my desired water line in the overflow box. Main drains is 1.5 pipe , my guess flow should be around 1000-1500GPH ( running waveline dcpump 10k at speed 6 ) . Gate valve is almost closed for now, that could be the problem ? should I change the main drain to 1" pipe ? This would cause me more stable water in overflow due to hi flow down the pipe.

Thanks

[SGT_York]

Find out what is causing the clogs, you need a strainer or a lid that will keep snails, algae, and other pesky items from getting sucked down your siphon line.

Please be a little more descriptive, what is your main drain, I'm assuming it is the siphon line. How much water is flowing down your emergency pipe? I'm having a hard time understanding how your gate valve is almost closed with a maxed waveline pump?

Leave the pipes all at 1.5" there is no descent reason to go with smaller. The stability of the overflow water level is dependent on the flow from your display and the gate valve restriction.

Feel encouraged to post a pic as well.

[shaggss]

Originally Posted by reefid

Still have the same problem, main drain after two days starting to clog. I have to readjust the gate valve to stabilized my desired water line in the overflow box. Main drains is 1.5 pipe , my guess flow should be around 1000-1500GPH ( running waveline dcpump 10k at speed 6 ) . Gate valve is almost closed for now, that could be the problem ? should I change the main drain to 1" pipe ? This would cause me more stable water in overflow due to hi flow down the pipe.

Thanks

Something is a-miss here. Keep your drains 1.5". Make sure the top of the main drain is about half up your overflow. The main drains' exit in the sump should only be a max of 1" under the water.

You also need a good ATO. As evaporation occurs the system needs to balance again, this can cause fluctuating levels.

As said above, pictures of your setup would be helpful.

[reefid]

Main siphon line is submerged around 1" underwater, and if you could see in the picture water level in the overflow box should be around 1" from it shown. That rised after filter sock starting to clog, and then my water level in my sump also drop. Wonder how to fix that, was it because my gate valve not open enough ? My problem is if I open the gate valve more it would cause me waterfall noise in the overflow box.

Thanks

[shaggss]

You have water going down your emergency. This is not advised so I would open your gate valve a little to lower the water in your overflow. Remember when you do this, that water must go somewhere so the level in the return section will rise. Once you have the siphon setup, then adjust your ATO.

If you are getting too much noise from water fall in the overflow when you open the gate valve, then you could raise the height of the main drain a little. Remember very small adjustments make significant changes so go slow. It also can take 10-20 minutes to balance out after a change, so be patient.

Also, how long is the horizontal run in the drain? This can cause issue with siphon drain setups.

[Fogvalley]

So if I read everything properly. With a eshopps dual drain hob box, I can just leave one bulkhead open on the top wet side and gate that line, add a 7-8 inch piece of PVC to the other for emergency drain, hang that pipe a bit above the water to make noise if something is wrong. Gate the drain back to raise the water level to the emergency drain height. Simple as that?

[Mark...]

Originally Posted by Fogvalley

So if I read everything properly. With a eshopps dual drain hob box, I can just leave one bulkhead open on the top wet side and gate that line, add a 7-8 inch piece of PVC to the other for emergency drain, hang that pipe a bit above the water to make noise if something is wrong. Gate the drain back to raise the water level to the emergency drain height. Simple as that?

On my system I set the emergency to the max height I want the water level to be in the tank. My siphon is deep in the overflow with the top of strainer at the half way point. You don't want the siphon to cause a vortex. So deep is good.

[reefid]

Originally Posted by shaggss

You have water going down your emergency. This is not advised so I would open your gate valve a little to lower the water in your overflow. Remember when you do this, that water must go somewhere so the level in the return section will rise. Once you have the siphon setup, then adjust your ATO.

If you are getting too much noise from water fall in the overflow when you open the gate valve, then you could raise the height of the main drain a little. Remember very small adjustments make significant changes so go slow. It also can take 10-20 minutes to balance out after a change, so be patient.

Also, how long is the horizontal run in the drain? This can cause issue with siphon drain setups.

Hi shags
There is no water dropping down to my emergency line. The picture actually taken when my filter sock starting to clog, and raised my water level in the overflow box. I did setup my ATO when the main drain line fully siphoned, my only problem is whenever my filter sock clogged a little bit . That lowered my water level in return section, where I setup my ATO.
And everytime when I chaned my filter sock to new / freshly washed one still yet have to adjust the gate valve. Is that normal ? Have I missed something ?
I have tried to open up my gate valve more, that became so noisy and raised my main drain line a little bit higher . That sucked a little bit air down the line, and after filter sock clog again it starting lower my sump water level significantly . my ato when crazy.
My guess the horizontal line should be around 8"

Thanks

[shaggss]

try running it without the sock for a few days and see. But yes, every time a water level changes, it will throw the balance off a bit.

[SARBoy]

Can I run a manifold off the siphon? I would ideally like to run my skimmers and other equipment/reactors from the return to the sump.

I would also run a submerged line into a filter sock to keep the siphon quiet and dump any excess water into the sump not used by equipment.

Is this possible or does it need to be a straight shot to the sump from the overflow?

[das75]

^ could. I have a tee off main, ~80% flows to a filter sock in my sumps skimmer section, other sideof the tee feeds 20% to a fuge (separate tank to sump), amounts set by a gate valve.

[sleepydoc]

In general, no. The water level in the overflow is very sensitive to the back pressure on it. Small changes and variations end up causing significant changes in the water level in the overflow necessitating adjustments of the gate valve. The more you have running off of the overflow standpipe, the more likely you are to have these variations and difficulty keeping the system tuned.

[shaggss]

Originally Posted by sleepydoc

In general, no. The water level in the overflow is very sensitive to the back pressure on it. Small changes and variations end up causing significant changes in the water level in the overflow necessitating adjustments of the gate valve. The more you have running off of the overflow standpipe, the more likely you are to have these variations and difficulty keeping the system tuned.

I agree. Just have a straight run to the sump for the drain. Tee off any peripherals from the return line.

[MuscleFish]

Any way to use T or Y to make controled refugium with Herbie overflow?
People say that Herbie doen't work well with the tee.

So, I need to change my SUMP from SKIMMER/RETURN/FUGE to SKIMMER/FUGE/RETURN?

Thanks

[jem454]

T off your return pump to the fuge.

[MuscleFish]

Originally Posted by jem454

T off your return pump to the fuge.

I need to put T to my return and no overflow output?
So, my pump must be stronger? My much the flow do I need for fuge?

Thanks

[das75]

Tee on the primary works perfect for me...

[BlackShark087]

What you think about my Herbie full siphon stand pipe / openchanel wet standpipe in a dual CornerFlow... ? I know did a mistake with the "reefready" tank but have to deal with it for now.





I wish to run around 2500 / 3000 GPH

[shellsea]

Blackshark; those emergency lines should terminate above the water level in the sump so if they start taking water you will hear it splashing.

[BlackShark087]

Yes but they are more like a wet trickling take the variation minimizing the need of adjustment and there is bubbling that are gonna come out if the in use.

[shellsea]

Originally Posted by BlackShark087

Yes but they are more like a wet trickling take the variation minimizing the need of adjustment and there is bubbling that are gonna come out if the in use.

suit yourself. I have a corner RR that I converted to Herbie. Love it. Run my emergency bone dry as it was designed to do. Very rare that I need to readjust it but if I do when that emergency starts taking on water I know it asap.

[BlackShark087]

Okok nice can you take a picture inside of your conerflow ? and do you run 1 1/2" that you reduce or its all on 1" ?

[shellsea]

Originally Posted by BlackShark087

Okok nice can you take a picture inside of your conerflow ? and do you run 1 1/2" that you reduce or its all on 1" ?

Will try to post a pic after work tonight. I left the 1 1/2 that was the old Durso in just added a tee and a 90 that brought that emergency level right to where I wanted it. I reduce it to 1 in at the bulkhead.