PLEASE check out your intended fish purchases here first!

[snorvich]

Originally Posted by stevetcg

Could you elaborate on that please?

Certainly. Your sailfin tang is semi-aggressive, and will reach a length over a foot if properly cared for. The normally suggested tank size for this fish alone is 180 gallons. Your proposed stocking list of

Undulate Triggerfish (2 in) is incredibly aggressive (albeit gorgeous) and will pretty much take after any fish in your tank. The normally suggested tank size is 180 gallons but I find that to be inadequate. If I were keeping one of the hyperaggressive triggers, I would keep it by itself.

Changing Emperator Angelfish will reach 1 foot if properly fed and cared for, it pretty much needs to be the boss fish in the tank in order to do best and thrive rather than survive

Achilles Tang (juvi) is a gorgeous expert level fish that needs a larger tank and has special needs

Kole Tang (2 in) is a nice mild mannered tang except when placed with a highly aggressive established tang

[Idahobob]

Originally Posted by snorvich

Note, the for fairy and flasher wrasses you MUST have a covered tank with 1/4 inch mesh as they WILL jump.

should I put the fairy and flasher in at the same?

Thanks Bob

[snorvich]

Originally Posted by Idahobob

should I put the fairy and flasher in at the same?

Thanks Bob

Not necessarily so. The fairy wrasse will be more aggressive once established, so both together OR the flasher first would be preferable.

[k4ndyk1ng]

hi all!
my tank : 48" x 24" x 12" high 60g minimalist lr
my fish list :
2 x clownfish
1 x yellow tang or 1 x regal tang, not sure yet or another colourful tang
pair banggi cardinals
yellow clown goby
maybe a blennie
this tank is hopefully going to be and sps heavy tank
thanks

[k4ndyk1ng]

hi all!
my tank : 48" x 24" x 12" high 60g minimalist lr
my fish list :
2 x clownfish
1 x yellow tang or 1 x regal tang, not sure yet or another colourful tang
pair banggi cardinals
yellow clown goby
maybe a blennie
this tank is hopefully going to be and sps heavy tank
thanks

[snorvich]

Originally Posted by k4ndyk1ng

hi all!
my tank : 48" x 24" x 12" high 60g minimalist lr
my fish list :
2 x clownfish
1 x yellow tang or 1 x regal tang, not sure yet or another colourful tang

Both tangs need a larger tank, the Hepatus tang really needs an 8 foot tank e.g. a 240 gallon and that yellow tank also needs a larger tank

pair banggi cardinals Be sure they are a male + female or you will end up with only one
yellow clown goby If you are acropora oriented, remember these fish perch on acropora, sometimes causing damage; If you have a lot of acropora, it may not be an issue
maybe a blennie
this tank is hopefully going to be and sps heavy tank
thanks

[k4ndyk1ng]

ok thanks is there any tang that could go in my tank?

[snorvich]

Originally Posted by k4ndyk1ng

ok thanks is there any tang that could go in my tank?

One of the Ctenochaetus group would be marginally acceptable.

[trea718]

Greetings All

I am planning another saltwater tank set up in the near future. Please evaluate the tank setup and my proposed list of tank inhabitants and tell me if I would have any problems/issues in any of these areas.
Proposed Tank Specs:

90 gallon reef ready tank
40 gallon sump
90lbs live rocks
Reef Octopus Extreme 8 Inch XS200
48 Inch 6x54 Watt AquaticLife T5 HO Light Fixture w/ 4 LEDs

Proposed Fish List
Orange and white Clownfish (A. Ocellaris) x2
Black and white Clownfish (A. Ocellaris) x2
Firefish (Nemateleotris magnifica) x2
Sixline Wrasse (Pseudocheilinus hexataenia) x1

Proposed Inverts List
Blood Red Fire Shrimp (Lysmata debelius) x2
Scarlet Skunk Cleaner Shrimp (Lysmata amboinensis) x 2
(Montipora capricornis) x 4
Zoos (Zoanthus sp.) x 3 colonies

[snorvich]

Originally Posted by trea718

Greetings All

I am planning another saltwater tank set up in the near future. Please evaluate the tank setup and my proposed list of tank inhabitants and tell me if I would have any problems/issues in any of these areas.
Proposed Tank Specs:

90 gallon reef ready tank
40 gallon sump
90lbs live rocks
Reef Octopus Extreme 8 Inch XS200
48 Inch 6x54 Watt AquaticLife T5 HO Light Fixture w/ 4 LEDs

Proposed Fish List
Orange and white Clownfish (A. Ocellaris) x2
Black and white Clownfish (A. Ocellaris) x2

In your sized tank, only one pair of clownfish will work

Firefish (Nemateleotris magnifica) x2

Must be a M + F or there will be only one long term

Sixline Wrasse (Pseudocheilinus hexataenia) x1

I recommend against this, especially given your desire for firefish

Proposed Inverts List
Blood Red Fire Shrimp (Lysmata debelius) x2
Scarlet Skunk Cleaner Shrimp (Lysmata amboinensis) x 2
(Montipora capricornis) x 4
Zoos (Zoanthus sp.) x 3 colonies

[trea718]

Thanks for the evaluation. I won't even try the two pairs of clowns and six line wrasse is definitely not a must have. However, I will look for male and female firefish.

[trea718]

Would it be possible to keep to pairs of A. Ocellaris clowns in a tank a 125 gallon tank (72x18x22)?

[snorvich]

Originally Posted by trea718

Would it be possible to keep to pairs of A. Ocellaris clowns in a tank a 125 gallon tank (72x18x22)?

Unfortunately, no. It is not a species issue, it is a number of clownfish issue. You get one pair in a tank that size. Even much larger tanks have difficulty with more than one pair.

[trea718]

Originally Posted by snorvich

Unfortunately, no. It is not a species issue, it is a number of clownfish issue. You get one pair in a tank that size. Even much larger tanks have difficulty with more than one pair.

Oh well, what can you do, right? Thanks for the feedback.

[NMC]

I have a newly set up 28 gallon Nano cube. I don't even have water in it yet, so not cycled...I won't be ready for a fish for a while. I have a protein skimmer, and an auto top off, right now I have BRS reef saver rock and plan to seed with a few pieces of live rock from LFS. I plan to try different sorts of coral and have a few fish. For CUC I plan an assortment of snails, but don't know how many or what kinds....also like this red star fish I saw that is supposedly reef safe. For additional filtration I have an In Tank thing with chemi pure, purigen, and charcoal. I also plan to have some macro algae in the DT.

The fish I'm thinking about are:
1. Some sort of blenny or goby. I'm thinking this will be the first fish I add. I like the idea of the pistol shrimp/goby pair, but have read some things about the pistol shrimp being agressive and troublesome. Don't know if what I'm reading is true or accurate.
2. A flame angel fish. I am aware they may mess with corals or they may not from what I've read. I LOVE the color and I try to talk myself out of this fish and keep going back to it. HELP!
3. Not interested in clown fish or Damsels, although I do like the bright colors of the clowns.
4. So, basically, I'm looking for a small, dramatically colored fish (flame angel!) that will be happy in this small system. Can I get corals that the angel doesn't like to eat or feed it enough so it isn't interested in the coral? Open to suggestions for more appropriate knock out brightly colored STAR for my little tank. I sort of know the angel isn't the best choice, looking for an alternative that will satisfy my pretty fish craving and not bully my other fish (blenny or goby).

[rogermccray]

I am going to downgrade my ~200 gallon bowfront tank to a 125 gallon tank and I wanted to check to see if my stocking list plan is going to be okay with this.

My current live stock
Occelaris Clown
Yellow Tang
Mandarin (I have a refugium)
blue/green chromis
sixline wrasse - will take out as he can be a bit of a bully
hippo tang -will take him out as he is going to get too big (was planning on removing him from the current tank as well)

Planned Stocking
carberryi anthias x4
Red Head Solon Fairy Wrasse
Kole Yellow Eye Tang (Ctenochaetus strigosus)
McCosker's Flasher Wrasse (Paracheilinus mccoskeri)

How is that for bioload?

Thanks again for your continued advice!

[rogermccray]

Originally Posted by rogermccray

I am going to downgrade my ~200 gallon bowfront tank to a 125 gallon tank and I wanted to check to see if my stocking list plan is going to be okay with this.

My current live stock
Occelaris Clown
Yellow Tang
Mandarin (I have a refugium)
blue/green chromis
sixline wrasse - will take out as he can be a bit of a bully
hippo tang -will take him out as he is going to get too big (was planning on removing him from the current tank as well)

Planned Stocking
carberryi anthias x4
Red Head Solon Fairy Wrasse
Kole Yellow Eye Tang (Ctenochaetus strigosus)
McCosker's Flasher Wrasse (Paracheilinus mccoskeri)

How is that for bioload?

Thanks again for your continued advice!

Would replacing the Kole tang with a chevron tang or a Blue Caribbean Tang (Acanthurus coeruleus) make a difference?

[snorvich]

Originally Posted by NMC

I have a newly set up 28 gallon Nano cube. I don't even have water in it yet, so not cycled...I won't be ready for a fish for a while. I have a protein skimmer, and an auto top off, right now I have BRS reef saver rock and plan to seed with a few pieces of live rock from LFS. I plan to try different sorts of coral and have a few fish. For CUC I plan an assortment of snails, but don't know how many or what kinds....also like this red star fish I saw that is supposedly reef safe. For additional filtration I have an In Tank thing with chemi pure, purigen, and charcoal. I also plan to have some macro algae in the DT.

The fish I'm thinking about are:
1. Some sort of blenny or goby. I'm thinking this will be the first fish I add. I like the idea of the pistol shrimp/goby pair, but have read some things about the pistol shrimp being agressive and troublesome. Don't know if what I'm reading is true or accurate.
2. A flame angel fish. I am aware they may mess with corals or they may not from what I've read. I LOVE the color and I try to talk myself out of this fish and keep going back to it. HELP!
3. Not interested in clown fish or Damsels, although I do like the bright colors of the clowns.
4. So, basically, I'm looking for a small, dramatically colored fish (flame angel!) that will be happy in this small system. Can I get corals that the angel doesn't like to eat or feed it enough so it isn't interested in the coral? Open to suggestions for more appropriate knock out brightly colored STAR for my little tank. I sort of know the angel isn't the best choice, looking for an alternative that will satisfy my pretty fish craving and not bully my other fish (blenny or goby).

Well dwarf angels are great looking with dramatic coloration and except of the propensity for eating meaty LPS corals, would be what you want. It is impossible to tell in advance what corals dwarf angels will not eat, so you have to prioritize your need: corals or dwarf angel.

[snorvich]

Originally Posted by rogermccray

I am going to downgrade my ~200 gallon bowfront tank to a 125 gallon tank and I wanted to check to see if my stocking list plan is going to be okay with this.

My current live stock
Occelaris Clown
Yellow Tang two tangs will become problematical in the small tank
Mandarin (I have a refugium)
blue/green chromis
sixline wrasse - will take out as he can be a bit of a bully will also compete for copepods with a mandarin in a smaller tank
hippo tang -will take him out as he is going to get too big (was planning on removing him from the current tank as well)

Yes, needs a longer, larger tank

Planned Stocking
carberryi anthias x4
Red Head Solon Fairy Wrasse on the aggressive side and in the long run will lose coloration absent a female
Kole Yellow Eye Tang (Ctenochaetus strigosus) better than the yellow tank but should not try both
McCosker's Flasher Wrasse (Paracheilinus mccoskeri)

How is that for bioload? should be ok, the mandarin needs a mature tank with much live rock

Thanks again for your continued advice!

[rogermccray]

Originally Posted by snorvich

How is that for bioload? should be ok, the mandarin needs a mature tank with much live rock

For moving the mandarin...

I am going to take all the rock and sand from my tank and move it to the new tank, and use the same sump/refugium. With the rock and sand being submersed in water the whole time. Am i going to lose the copepod population that I have right now and cause the mandarin to starve?

[adikira]

187 gal. (5 ft x 2 ft x 30 inch tall) w/ 52 gal. sump. My fist fish was introduced about 4 mo. ago after the tank got cycled (it's my first tank - so I'm new to the hobby).

Current list (leaving aside all the unfortunate casualties )
* hipo tang
* powder brown tang
* sailfin tang
* naso tang
* fox face
* 2 royal gramma (pair?)
* pair of yellow band maroon clowns
* pair(?) of false ocellaris clowns
* melanurus wrasse
* diamond watchman goby
* marine betta

So far I've seen the powder brown chasing the wrasse once and never again then chasing the hipo tang a couple of times (which now stays mostly hidden for this or some other reason - because I also saw him out and powder brown around w/out any problems).

then the female maroon was beating really bad the false ocellaris (missing parts of fins) chasing them to the other side of the tank. I kept knocking on glass (acrylic) when seeing that then getting a net inside chasing it and now the much reduced (not sure because she sees me around and behaves or not... but sometimes I noticed reduced aggretion, meaning either not chasing them or just chasing them a little even when I was from a distance when she probably couldn't see me). the falce ocelaris seem not to care on go over the maroon's territory ... I would have thought they would learn...

I was concerned that the marine betta might eat the royal grama or the smaller clowns but so far so good.

Do yo guys foresee other problems with this stocking? (I guess I should have asked before stocking)... thanks.

[adikira]

Originally Posted by rogermccray

For moving the mandarin...

I am going to take all the rock and sand from my tank and move it to the new tank, and use the same sump/refugium. With the rock and sand being submersed in water the whole time. Am i going to lose the copepod population that I have right now and cause the mandarin to starve?

I'd guess some will survive, some will possibly be lost.

It may be advisable to get some copepods to replenish the sump just in case.

Another alternative may be to teach your mandarine to eat regular food. See this link: http://www.bluezooaquatics.com/resources.asp?show=351. Others suggest putting a sponge filter on a power head and squirting food on it when the mandarine comes along, hopefully he will pick at it and learn how to eat from the sponge as some mondarines learned this way (http://www.thereeftank.com/forums/f4...ish-14639.html).

I don't have one yet but I'd like to at some point... hopefully the marine betta won't eat it.

[snorvich]

Originally Posted by rogermccray

For moving the mandarin...

I am going to take all the rock and sand from my tank and move it to the new tank, and use the same sump/refugium. With the rock and sand being submersed in water the whole time. Am i going to lose the copepod population that I have right now and cause the mandarin to starve?

Should be fine

[snorvich]

Originally Posted by adikira

I'd guess some will survive, some will possibly be lost.

It may be advisable to get some copepods to replenish the sump just in case.

Another alternative may be to teach your mandarine to eat regular food. See this link: http://www.bluezooaquatics.com/resources.asp?show=351. Others suggest putting a sponge filter on a power head and squirting food on it when the mandarine comes along, hopefully he will pick at it and learn how to eat from the sponge as some mondarines learned this way (http://www.thereeftank.com/forums/f4...ish-14639.html).

I don't have one yet but I'd like to at some point... hopefully the marine betta won't eat it.

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[snorvich]

Originally Posted by adikira

187 gal. (5 ft x 2 ft x 30 inch tall) w/ 52 gal. sump. My fist fish was introduced about 4 mo. ago after the tank got cycled (it's my first tank - so I'm new to the hobby).

Current list (leaving aside all the unfortunate casualties )
* hipo tang
* powder brown tang
* sailfin tang
* naso tang
* fox face

Actually having five algae grazers in a moderately sized tank is not a great idea. Naso tangs and hippo tangs as well as sailfin tangs will all exceed one foot in length if properly cared for.

* 2 royal gramma (pair?)
* pair of yellow band maroon clowns
* pair(?) of false ocellaris clowns

Having two pairs of clowns in your tank will not work. Remove one pair before the GSM kills the other clowns

* melanurus wrasse
* diamond watchman goby
* marine betta

So far I've seen the powder brown chasing the wrasse once and never again then chasing the hipo tang a couple of times (which now stays mostly hidden for this or some other reason - because I also saw him out and powder brown around w/out any problems).

then the female maroon was beating really bad the false ocellaris (missing parts of fins) chasing them to the other side of the tank. I kept knocking on glass (acrylic) when seeing that then getting a net inside chasing it and now the much reduced (not sure because she sees me around and behaves or not... but sometimes I noticed reduced aggretion, meaning either not chasing them or just chasing them a little even when I was from a distance when she probably couldn't see me). the falce ocelaris seem not to care on go over the maroon's territory ... I would have thought they would learn...

Not a stable combination.

I was concerned that the marine betta might eat the royal grama or the smaller clowns but so far so good.

Still might.

Do yo guys foresee other problems with this stocking? (I guess I should have asked before stocking)... thanks.

Yes, you should have asked first. Now the only solution is removing some of these fish