Kessil Club

[Esage]

Originally Posted by jiminy_crime

I have since switched to 65% color from 30% but it sure feels very white and has lots of glare in the tank. Do you think having the 360s up off the tank a bit is super important?

Right now I have the 2- 360s over a 36 gallon tank which I know can seem excessive but I have them 4 inches off the water to keep light spill down and just backed the intensity down to 45%. The corals are all doing very well but just looking for some input on what is the best path for a basic setup.

I have mine five inches above the water.

[smokinreefer]

how wide of a tank can ap700 sit on with the mounting legs?

I'm considering ap700s to light a 6' x 30" wide peninsula.
but restriction is lights have to be mounted. no hanging.

[Turbosreef]

I don't think that will be enough light max spread is 48

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[smokinreefer]

my bad, I should give more info...
was thinking of mounting them perpendicular to the tank.
maybe 3 or 4 of them across the 6' span.

but will the mounts extend 30" across? whats the max they can reach?

[vhuang168]

Lights are 20" long and the arms are 11.2" each so you should be ok.

A better alternative is to use a mount like from www.6061.com/Kessil_AP700.htm

Picture shows it mounted parallel but from taking with him, you can mount it perpendicular to the tank or parallel to the mount.


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[cheucklate]

Anyone have insider scoop on any new potential releases? I am planning on upgrading to kessil a360we but if they are releasing something within the year I can wait.

[sixpackgarage]

Originally Posted by cheucklate

Anyone have insider scoop on any new potential releases? I am planning on upgrading to kessil a360we but if they are releasing something within the year I can wait.

yeah it's called the AP700.. already out

[bif24701]

Very high praise from BRS for the Kessil AP700. They did some good testing and compared LED fixtures.
Great video if your are considering buying a new LED fixture.

https://youtu.be/V7XLgLiA0PM


Aaron

180 Gallon Dream (Now Reality)
http://www.panhandlereefers.com/foru...Now-Reality%29

[bigfruits]

Originally Posted by cheucklate

Anyone have insider scoop on any new potential releases? I am planning on upgrading to kessil a360we but if they are releasing something within the year I can wait.

Id be all over a Kessil LED/T5 combo fixture that is cheaper than the Powermodule and Aurora!

[TheFishGuy31]

Originally Posted by bif24701

Very high praise from BRS for the Kessil AP700. They did some good testing and compared LED fixtures.
Great video if your are considering buying a new LED fixture.

https://youtu.be/V7XLgLiA0PM


Aaron

180 Gallon Dream (Now Reality)
http://www.panhandlereefers.com/foru...Now-Reality%29

I'll have to check this out when I get home. Good find.

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[almiller9]

Originally Posted by bigfruits

Id be all over a Kessil LED/T5 combo fixture that is cheaper than the Powermodule and Aurora!

If this is a real fixture coming out I want one!

[bif24701]

Originally Posted by almiller9

If this is a real fixture coming out I want one!

Kessil designed and built the AP700 so that you wouldn't need T5s. I thought is would be necessary to add T5s to the AP700 like my old 360s, but I found you certainly do not. Of course good T5s will improve any and all lighting types/fixtures.

[bigfruits]

Originally Posted by bif24701

Kessil designed and built the AP700 so that you wouldn't need T5s. I thought is would be necessary to add T5s to the AP700 like my old 360s, but I found you certainly do not. Of course good T5s will improve any and all lighting types/fixtures.

Would this require the magnetic diffusers or does the stock AP700 not have the shading issues that the pendants have with branching SPS?

[bif24701]

Originally Posted by bigfruits

Would this require the magnetic diffusers or does the stock AP700 not have the shading issues that the pendants have with branching SPS?

Watching the video might clear that up for you but shading isn't much of a problem anymore. I think the diffusers are just an option for those that may not like the shimmer so much.


Aaron

180 Gallon Dream (Now Reality)
http://www.panhandlereefers.com/foru...Now-Reality%29

[sixpackgarage]

I just ordered both sets of optics for mine just to play with them. I'm still of the opinion that you need T5s with it for SPS.. don't get me wrong, SPS grow really well under the AP, but the resulting shadow really bothers me. I'll play with the optics to see what the difference is. If they work, maybe I can leave the T5 supplement out completely.

[bif24701]

Originally Posted by sixpackgarage

I just ordered both sets of optics for mine just to play with them. I'm still of the opinion that you need T5s with it for SPS.. don't get me wrong, SPS grow really well under the AP, but the resulting shadow really bothers me. I'll play with the optics to see what the difference is. If they work, maybe I can leave the T5 supplement out completely.

Do you have them up and running already?


Aaron

180 Gallon Dream (Now Reality)
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[cheucklate]

What kessil combination is best for a 60G cube (24 x 24 x 24)?

2x A160we
1x A360We
1x A360 narrow
2x A360?..
thanks

[slief]

Originally Posted by cheucklate

What kessil combination is best for a 60G cube (24 x 24 x 24)?

2x A160we
1x A360We
1x A360 narrow
2x A360?..
thanks

If it were me, I would likely go with 4 of the 160's arranged in each corner or end of the tank (depending on how the aquascape is setup. I would position them near the perimeter of the display and direct/angle them inwards towards the center. This would provide the light equivalent of two 360's while eliminating any shadowing because you would be lighting the tank from all 4 sides. You would have evenly distributed light. Also, by angling them, not only would you eliminate shadowing but you would reduce light bleed on the viewing panes while also increase intensity in the center of the tank where the light overlaps. In the case of my tank which is comparatively huge, I have my 360's positioned around the perimeter and angled inwards on articulating light mounts. The result is absolutely 0 shadowing and very even, well distributed light across the entire 4' x 8' display. I also don't run supplemental lighting as there is really no need for it IMO if the lights are properly setup and distributed.

[vhuang168]

I'm with @Silef. It's not that 2 160s are not strong enough or don't have enough coverage, you want to spread the coverage around. I currently have 2 160s angled inward at almost 45deg on an Innovative Marine Nuvo 16.


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[Confuse]

I will be getting the major diffusion lens in the mail today. The shimmer right now is really excessive and I'd like something more natural. Will keep you guys posted.

[bif24701]

Originally Posted by Confuse

I will be getting the major diffusion lens in the mail today. The shimmer right now is really excessive and I'd like something more natural. Will keep you guys posted.

I would be interested in hearing how they work out.


Aaron

180 Gallon Dream (Now Reality)
http://www.panhandlereefers.com/foru...Now-Reality%29

[Scorpius]

Originally Posted by Confuse

I will be getting the major diffusion lens in the mail today. The shimmer right now is really excessive and I'd like something more natural. Will keep you guys posted.

Please measure these and post their dimensions as I would love to modify these to run on my A360we's.

[Confuse]

Originally Posted by bif24701

I would be interested in hearing how they work out.


Aaron

180 Gallon Dream (Now Reality)
http://www.panhandlereefers.com/foru...Now-Reality%29

I just put them on and I can say that the shimmer appears a lot more natural than without the diffusers. I only have one AP 700 with the diffuser and the other one I'm still waiting on. I like the less pronounced shimmer. Without the diffuser, the shimmer is really intense and can be distracting, this brings it down a notch.

I don't know what it will do for shadowing or light spread, but I can say that I like the diffusion better, but that's just my personal preference.

[CrayolaViolence]

Kessil question: I have two 360we and I have not been able to get the settings where my corals are all equally happy. If I go above 20% intensity it burns them (my tank is about 11 inches deep) and my lights sit 15 inches off the water. My tank is a 48x24. Many of my leathers were not expanding properly and I was losing a lot of shrooms for a while. I called kessil and after two weeks of merry go round finally a technician called and we talked. I have tried all his suggestions and finally just gave up and added a purple t-5 light. HOLY COW what a difference it made. My corals exploded. Now I'm not sure why this is. I mean the kessil is bluer than blue so I know the corals are getting enough blue light, and everyone says pink is for aesthetic reasons and doesn't really do anything but before I added the purple (a pink and blue combo) my kenya trees would not extend and my green leather flower stayed shriveled. Even my Elegance has grown 2x it's original size since adding the additional light.

The thing is, I feel like for what I paid for these lights, I should not have to be supplementing them with anything. I was told I wouldn't need to. Whiter light doesn't help, the corals don't like it, and bluer all the colors fade into the background and the tank looks over shadowed. Also I'm using less than 50% of the lights intensity because anything more and my corals bleach. I managed to bleach out a pink aussie gonipora in less than 3 days when I dare to up the intensity by 5%. I thought the coral was dead and tossed it in my rock bin, which has a T5 light over it and now the polyps are coming back.
I'm really at my wits end on this. So many people seem happy with their kessils and their corals are doing well, but mine don't seem to be responding the same. I will say I have seen an increase in growth on my sps corals, but my leathers, zoes etc, don't seem impressed at all. I even have a bubble tip anemone hiding in a cave because it doesn't like the lights.

My max color, right now, is 45% my max strength is 25%. Lights go off at 8 pm come on at 6 am but don't start ramping up until about 8 am.

The technician with kessil said he prefers to not use a control and to just set the lights at a particular amount and leave it, turning them on in the morning and off in the evening. I haven't done this but I am seriously considering it since nothing else has worked so far.

I will be putting the kessils over the new tank in the next couple of weeks. It's a 180 and 24 inches deep. I'm hoping I will see a change for the better with a greater space for there to be different areas of light and dark. Although I don't see how I could possibly have them too high at this point.

Anyhow, I am open to suggestions if anyone out there has any. Thanks

[Scorpius]

Originally Posted by Confuse

I just put them on and I can say that the shimmer appears a lot more natural than without the diffusers. I only have one AP 700 with the diffuser and the other one I'm still waiting on. I like the less pronounced shimmer. Without the diffuser, the shimmer is really intense and can be distracting, this brings it down a notch.

I don't know what it will do for shadowing or light spread, but I can say that I like the diffusion better, but that's just my personal preference.

What are the dimensions of the diffuser?