Kessil Club - Page 79

bif24701 · 06/11/2016, 04:04 AM

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Originally Posted by bigfruits

Would this require the magnetic diffusers or does the stock AP700 not have the shading issues that the pendants have with branching SPS?

The diffusers are more for reducing the sharp shimmer effect I think.

Aaron

180 Gallon Dream (Now Reality)
http://www.panhandlereefers.com/foru...Now-Reality%29

bigfruits · 06/11/2016, 05:07 AM

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Originally Posted by bif24701

The diffusers are more for reducing the sharp shimmer effect I think.

blasphemy!

Kessil customer service is 5 star.

I recently purchased 2 A160WEs TB for my 120g FOWLR. One of them was a little noisy, noticeable when my pumps were off.

They sent me a replacement the same day I brought this to their attention but I received a A360WE instead of a 160.

The Kessil rep apologized for the mistake and offered to let me keep the 360 and just send back the noisy 160 (Kessil pays postage) and is mailing me a t-shirt for my troubles.

Being the idiot that I am, I declined the offer and have another 160 in the mail headed my way.

Darryl Hey · 06/11/2016, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by bigfruits

blasphemy!

Kessil customer service is 5 star.

I recently purchased 2 A160WEs TB for my 120g FOWLR. One of them was a little noisy, noticeable when my pumps were off.

They sent me a replacement the same day I brought this to their attention but I received a A360WE instead of a 160.

The Kessil rep apologized for the mistake and offered to let me keep the 360 and just send back the noisy 160 (Kessil pays postage) and is mailing me a t-shirt for my troubles.

Being the idiot that I am, I declined the offer and have another 160 in the mail headed my way.

Not an idiot just an Honest person!

bif24701 · 06/12/2016, 03:43 AM

That's customer service. I also like that Kessils are american products .

Aaron

180 Gallon Dream (Now Reality)
http://www.panhandlereefers.com/foru...Now-Reality%29

Scorpius · 06/12/2016, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by bif24701

That's customer service. I also like that Kessils are american products .

Aaron

180 Gallon Dream (Now Reality)
http://www.panhandlereefers.com/foru...Now-Reality%29

They're a Taiwanese company.

shred5 · 06/12/2016, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Scorpius

They're a Taiwanese company.

No it is not :

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DiCon conducts research, development, manufacturing and marketing at its headquarters in Richmond, California. The company also operates a manufacturing and sales facility in Kaohsiung, Taiwan.

There an American company with a manufacturing plant in Taiwan.

vhuang168 · 06/12/2016, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Scorpius

They're a Taiwanese company.

Please show us where you found that information.

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Scorpius · 06/12/2016, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by shred5

No it is not :

There an American company with a manufacturing plant in Taiwan.

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Originally Posted by vhuang168

Please show us where you found that information.

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American company would say Made in America on their product. I know most will disagree with me.

HippieSmell · 06/12/2016, 10:38 AM

So, what's the verdict on the ap700? I'm looking to get 3 for a 78x36x27 inch mixed reef tank. I haven't seen them in person, but I'm hoping it's not just a blue disco ball with harsh shadows.

Right now, I'm running a 400W Reflux 12k. Can anyone compare?

vhuang168 · 06/12/2016, 10:48 AM

I love mine. Will be running 2 on a 60/27/27 190 that will be setup few weeks.

They just released diffusers that will reduce the shimmer and help with the shadowing.

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shred5 · 06/12/2016, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Scorpius

American company would say Made in America on their product. I know most will disagree with me.

Not if they manufactured it somewhere else. Companies like Dell, IBM etc have American and overseas manufacturing plants but are American companies.

bif24701 · 06/12/2016, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Scorpius

American company would say Made in America on their product. I know most will disagree with me.

I though the company is based in California? And the products are manufactured overseas, like 99% of everything else. Just because it is manufactured overseas doesn't mean it is not an American company.

Aaron

180 Gallon Dream (Now Reality)
http://www.panhandlereefers.com/foru...Now-Reality%29

bif24701 · 06/12/2016, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by shred5

Not if they manufactured it somewhere else. Companies like Dell, IBM etc have American and overseas manufacturing plants but are American companies.

This is what I meant. I didn't say american manufactured.

Aaron

180 Gallon Dream (Now Reality)
http://www.panhandlereefers.com/foru...Now-Reality%29

bif24701 · 06/12/2016, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by HippieSmell

So, what's the verdict on the ap700? I'm looking to get 3 for a 78x36x27 inch mixed reef tank. I haven't seen them in person, but I'm hoping it's not just a blue disco ball with harsh shadows.

Right now, I'm running a 400W Reflux 12k. Can anyone compare?

IMO they are flat out the best LED fixtures right now. They are still developing and improving the app support, I'm using the iPhone beta app and it has worked very well. I love the slim sleek look, the shimmer, color blending, color, power, control, the Kessil Logic, I just think they are supper cool also!

Aaron

180 Gallon Dream (Now Reality)
http://www.panhandlereefers.com/foru...Now-Reality%29

jayball · 06/12/2016, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Scorpius

American company would say Made in America on their product. I know most will disagree with me.

You are not going to find that, only one I know of (build my led) went to Hort only.

ComforablyNumb · 06/12/2016, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by bif24701

Wouldn't hurt to do some research before making bold general statements.

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How different the 700 is, I have no idea but I doubt its very much.

How bold a statement is that??? Get outa here.

ComforablyNumb · 06/12/2016, 07:23 PM

Interesting...my Honda was designed in Japan, built in Canada, has parts from all over the world, and most assembled here are exported to the US.
Difficult to say sometimes what nationality many products actually are, other than the nameplate. I consider my Honda a Canadian product because it was actually built here. Japanese nameplate, but thats about it.

bif24701 · 06/12/2016, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by ComforablyNumb

Mine were made in Taiwan.

American company, american design, american based. Would you say that Apple is Chinese?

Aaron

180 Gallon Dream (Now Reality)
http://www.panhandlereefers.com/foru...Now-Reality%29

p7willm · 06/12/2016, 07:50 PM

I have a pair of a360we on my tank and I love them.

Except I want to have some light on the tank at night. Nothing commercial I have seen will look nice on the Kessils but I have seen a DIY here http://http://www.reefcentral.com/fo....php?t=2500998. The problem is the LEDs come in 3 shades of white and 2 blues. Anyone have an idea of what color to get?

Also, you all have kessils what do you do for moon lighting?

p7willm · 06/12/2016, 07:53 PM

Oh, a company is the nationality were they are incorporated. Not where they make stuff, do most of their business, or design products.

ComforablyNumb · 06/12/2016, 08:36 PM

Kessil does the same thing as Honda, but in reverse..so its a nuanced argument either way.
Like Apple products... built in a foreign country, all foreign labor, all foreign parts..but many consider the iPhone an American product. Depends on your point of view of what is actually "American".
Do you consider your Levi's that were made in Mexico an American product because it has an American name? Some do, I don't.

HippieSmell · 06/12/2016, 09:14 PM

Even I was made in Norway and Germany, but assembled in America. All that matters is that I pay American taxes. Better than double Irish with a Dutch sandwich. Google it

ComforablyNumb · 06/12/2016, 09:48 PM

DiCon Kessil pays taxes in both Taiwan and the US. That distinction is vague as well.

ComforablyNumb · 06/14/2016, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by bif24701

American company, american design, american based. Would you say that Apple is Chinese?

Aaron

Yes, I would consider Apple products to be Chinese.
The design is done here, but little else. ALL of the cost of building the actual product is spent in China. Its all Chinese labor and all foreign parts...

Bottom line: Apple is an American company, of course, but their products are all made in China.
DiCon Kessil is an American company, of course, but all of their products are made in Taiwan.

I return to my example about blue jeans: Do you consider your Mexican made Levi's an American product?

As with many things, it depends on your point of view.

Scorpius · 06/15/2016, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by ComforablyNumb

Yes, I would consider Apple products to be Chinese.
The design is done here, but little else. ALL of the cost of building the actual product is spent in China. Its all Chinese labor and all foreign parts...

Bottom line: Apple is an American company, of course, but their products are all made in China.
DiCon Kessil is an American company, of course, but all of their products are made in Taiwan.

I return to my example about blue jeans: Do you consider your Mexican made Levi's an American product?

As with many things, it depends on your point of view.

I said in my original post that most would not agree with me, but at least someone else knows where I'm coming from.

06/12/2016, 03:43 AM	#1954
bif24701 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Florida, FWB Posts: 3,389	That's customer service. I also like that Kessils are american products . Aaron 180 Gallon Dream (Now Reality) http://www.panhandlereefers.com/foru...Now-Reality%29 __________________ 180 Mixed Reef SRO-5000 Skimmer Neptune APEX Gold Kessil AP700/ MP60+6105 Kalk+2 part/ Cheato Fuge Current Tank Info: 180 SPS Dominant

06/12/2016, 10:38 AM	#1959
HippieSmell Occupy Reef Central Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Orbiting Posts: 4,141	So, what's the verdict on the ap700? I'm looking to get 3 for a 78x36x27 inch mixed reef tank. I haven't seen them in person, but I'm hoping it's not just a blue disco ball with harsh shadows. Right now, I'm running a 400W Reflux 12k. Can anyone compare? __________________ Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like bananas. Current Tank Info: 78"x36"x27" acrylic, 6 Orphek Atlantik V3+ Compacts, MRC Orca Pro II w/washdown, CalcFeeder Pro AC3, Emperor Aquatics 80w UV, 80/20 aluminum stand, Vortech MP60's, Theiling Rollermat, GHL Profilux 3.1T EX, Kessil H380

06/12/2016, 10:48 AM	#1960
vhuang168 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 2,136	I love mine. Will be running 2 on a 60/27/27 190 that will be setup few weeks. They just released diffusers that will reduce the shimmer and help with the shadowing. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ Vincent 40g custom AIO --> DSA190Pro

06/12/2016, 07:23 PM	#1967
ComforablyNumb Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: New Brunswick Canada Posts: 627	Interesting...my Honda was designed in Japan, built in Canada, has parts from all over the world, and most assembled here are exported to the US. Difficult to say sometimes what nationality many products actually are, other than the nameplate. I consider my Honda a Canadian product because it was actually built here. Japanese nameplate, but thats about it. Last edited by ComforablyNumb; 06/12/2016 at 08:22 PM.

06/12/2016, 08:36 PM	#1971
ComforablyNumb Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: New Brunswick Canada Posts: 627	Kessil does the same thing as Honda, but in reverse..so its a nuanced argument either way. Like Apple products... built in a foreign country, all foreign labor, all foreign parts..but many consider the iPhone an American product. Depends on your point of view of what is actually "American". Do you consider your Levi's that were made in Mexico an American product because it has an American name? Some do, I don't. Last edited by ComforablyNumb; 06/12/2016 at 08:58 PM.

06/12/2016, 07:50 PM	#1969
p7willm Registered Member Join Date: May 2016 Posts: 8	I have a pair of a360we on my tank and I love them. Except I want to have some light on the tank at night. Nothing commercial I have seen will look nice on the Kessils but I have seen a DIY here http://http://www.reefcentral.com/fo....php?t=2500998. The problem is the LEDs come in 3 shades of white and 2 blues. Anyone have an idea of what color to get? Also, you all have kessils what do you do for moon lighting?

06/12/2016, 07:53 PM	#1970
p7willm Registered Member Join Date: May 2016 Posts: 8	Oh, a company is the nationality were they are incorporated. Not where they make stuff, do most of their business, or design products.

06/12/2016, 09:14 PM	#1972
HippieSmell Occupy Reef Central Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Orbiting Posts: 4,141	Even I was made in Norway and Germany, but assembled in America. All that matters is that I pay American taxes. Better than double Irish with a Dutch sandwich. Google it __________________ Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like bananas. Current Tank Info: 78"x36"x27" acrylic, 6 Orphek Atlantik V3+ Compacts, MRC Orca Pro II w/washdown, CalcFeeder Pro AC3, Emperor Aquatics 80w UV, 80/20 aluminum stand, Vortech MP60's, Theiling Rollermat, GHL Profilux 3.1T EX, Kessil H380

06/12/2016, 09:48 PM	#1973
ComforablyNumb Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: New Brunswick Canada Posts: 627	DiCon Kessil pays taxes in both Taiwan and the US. That distinction is vague as well.