Kessil Club - Page 8

goreef170 · 02/19/2015, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by joesfiddy

I just picked up a 360we and I'm kinda disappointed doesn't seem very bright on my 180. I switched from a 250w metal halide.

Led's to the human eye, never look that bright, but they are. Don't be fooled.

Newbie Aquarist · 02/19/2015, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by goreef170

Led's to the human eye, never look that bright, but they are. Don't be fooled.

Very true.

Bpb · 02/19/2015, 11:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joesfiddy

I just picked up a 360we and I'm kinda disappointed doesn't seem very bright on my 180. I switched from a 250w metal halide.

It's been fairly widely covered that the a360we lights are going to be visually dimmer than your metal halides you are used to, or even some of the higher wattage led units on the market.

firstimereefer · 02/19/2015, 08:14 PM

I just purchased the Kessil Controller and I am wondering on how to set it up for a complete cycle of sunrise to sunset and some night actinic action. I have the A360 over a 60G cube.

Newbie Aquarist · 02/19/2015, 08:19 PM

Here is an example

Time Color Intensity
8:00 0% 15%
10:00 20% 50%
12:00 50% 100%
14:00 75% 100%
16:00 40% 50%
18:00 0% 0%

Just adjust it to your liking. I don't think you need to run it up to 100% intensity. Maybe 80% a5 the most in my opinion but every tank is different. Then I would set it to acclimation mode starting at 40% so you don't shock your corals.

ahfu25 · 02/20/2015, 02:30 AM

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Originally Posted by pastelball

I have a a160 on a spec v. I also bought the controller for it.

Is the a160 too much for the Fluval spec 5? I was about to order one today. Also what type of corals do you have?

mmn · 02/20/2015, 07:27 AM

Anyone know of work being done on a diy controller for the 360?

Regards
Michael

mfaso24 · 02/20/2015, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by mmn

Anyone know of work being done on a diy controller for the 360?

Regards

Michael

I havnt heard anything, but the a700 should be out sometime later this year and could have controllability features. They've been hush hush about it so nobody really know much. You can check out the prototype on YouTube from brs at macna from summer of 2014

rc1626 · 02/20/2015, 08:59 AM

Joesfiddy:
I've found where there was a 250 watt MH you need 2 Kessils to achieve about the same brightness. Not to say 1 can't get the job done growing things ( I've always liked the par 2 put out) but I've always used 2 in place of 1 MH for growth and asthetics. 2 in a 2' x 2' area will also greatly reduce shadowing. Unfortunately you're doubling the cost.

Tcook · 02/20/2015, 09:42 AM

There was a thread comparing cost/electrical consumption between Kessil and MH. The ROI wasn't really there. However this did not include other cost savings. In my case, I changed fron 2 x 250 watt MH to 4 x a360 (500 watt to about 300). The difference was that my 1/3 hp chiller went from running all the time to really never running. You do need more Kessils to "get around" rockwork obstructions compaired to MH

debincalif · 02/20/2015, 12:34 PM

Ok, so now I'm sold on the Kessil. It was suggested that I could use a 160 or 360N, but I've decided to go with the A360WE and the gooseneck mount and ditch the hood on my cube.

Next question - I have a Reef Keeper Lite on the tank (bought the whole set-up used), but I haven't quite figured it out yet. It does have the separate light dimmer module. Will this work to control the Kessil?

rc1626 · 02/20/2015, 12:53 PM

As long as you have the DA alc module you are good. Just need the 3.5 mm cable that is sold for the connection between the alc and light. Some people will buy a regular 3.5 mm audio cable and cut and splice it into the alc cable. Either way works. You'll be able to control both color and intensity. The diy way is a little less expensive.

debincalif · 02/20/2015, 12:56 PM

Great! That saves me from forking over another $100 for the Kessil controller. Thanks!

zoomonster · 02/20/2015, 06:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tcook

There was a thread comparing cost/electrical consumption between Kessil and MH. The ROI wasn't really there. However this did not include other cost savings. In my case, I changed fron 2 x 250 watt MH to 4 x a360 (500 watt to about 300). The difference was that my 1/3 hp chiller went from running all the time to really never running. You do need more Kessils to "get around" rockwork obstructions compaired to MH

I'll have to figure mine out but there is one inherent benefit which is being dimmable. Before my 4x80w T5's came on and ran about 12-13 hours a day. 3x250w MH came on at noon and varied between 6-8hrs a day. I had switchable eballasts and in heat of summer would sometimes drop power down to 175w manually. I avoided using a chiller but heat was always a problem (not just in tank) other than a few cooler months of the year. Another issue I had was power. My house has circuits out the rear but for some idiotic reason they put half the main living area and part of my sons bedroom on one 20a circuit. It really didn't manifest until the 800w (draws about 7a according to Apex) heater started coming on during the day, my son was home on weekends and I had my home entertainment system on. Then it was click, lights out. I could have just upgraded the circuit to 30a but like I said heat was also an issue.

So between the 3 hour morning and 3 hour night ramp to/from (currently) 70% power there will be savings. Also what most don't consider is the effect and added cost of effectively having a 1100w space heater running all day fighting the AC. Add to that humidity from accelerated evaporation. It didn't help that my main room is large and has a vaulted ceiling.

Chrisjbarry · 02/20/2015, 07:21 PM

3 - 360we on a 48" 108 gallon
ImageUploadedByTapatalk1424481666.755089.jpg

4corners · 02/22/2015, 07:09 AM

For best growth and extension and overall health. Wondering if anyone has any good reference points for specific corals @ specific depths and settings? For example: ( a few of mine)

Kessil a360we running @1/3 output mounted 9"above waterline

Frogspawn @18" depth -Great color, growth, and extension
Neon trumpet coral@ 16" depth - great color, poor growth/ recession , poor extension
Long polyped toadstoo l@ 8" depth -great color ,good growth and extension

This is assuming all other coral needs are met.

KJoFan · 02/22/2015, 04:00 PM

Can someone explain exactly how the acclimation mode works? Set the length of days you want it to acclimate for, and intensity is starting intensity or ending intensity after 14 days?

Newbie Aquarist · 02/22/2015, 06:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KJoFan

Can someone explain exactly how the acclimation mode works? Set the length of days you want it to acclimate for, and intensity is starting intensity or ending intensity after 14 days?

Starting intensity until it gets to your highest intensity.

KJoFan · 02/22/2015, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Newbie Aquarist

Starting intensity until it gets to your highest intensity.

Ok, and does it cross reference the quick set programming in order to know when to turn on/shut off and peak intensity?

Newbie Aquarist · 02/22/2015, 06:55 PM

The acclimation mode is based off your quick set.

KJoFan · 02/22/2015, 07:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Newbie Aquarist

The acclimation mode is based off your quick set.

Got it. Thanks!

Tcook · 02/22/2015, 11:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4corners

For best growth and extension and overall health. Wondering if anyone has any good reference points for specific corals @ specific depths and settings? For example: ( a few of mine)

Kessil a360we running @1/3 output mounted 9"above waterline

Frogspawn @18" depth -Great color, growth, and extension
Neon trumpet coral@ 16" depth - great color, poor growth/ recession , poor extension
Long polyped toadstoo l@ 8" depth -great color ,good growth and extension

This is assuming all other coral needs are met.

This would be valuable information to collect. Are your distances from the water surface or the Kessil? Also you would want to include what values for color and intensity you are using. Par values would be nice as well.

4corners · 02/23/2015, 07:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tcook

This would be valuable information to collect. Are your distances from the water surface or the Kessil? Also you would want to include what values for color and intensity you are using. Par values would be nice as well.

First: Thank You

Distances- were written as distance from water line (we should call height) for the light and the coral (we should call depth). Combined (we call the total distance). We need both don't we?

Color/ intensity-color I didn't really list. (kessil claims constant output accross spectrum)not entirely sure what this means so I left color out. Intensity I listed as 1/3 output. We would need more than thirds as units of output. Does the kessil controller have this (units of measure)? I'm thinking hard about getting one.

Par - So few have meters and now I'm hearing more about Pur (the usable portion). I don't know

Important part -Assuming all other coral needs are met.

I've been lurking hear for 2 years and saw this kessil club post and was amazed how many people have them. Great Thread!

Anybody else got any specific data?

Scorpius · 02/23/2015, 12:10 PM

I've found that the closer to the surface of the water I keep my 360we the more my corals polyps are closed.

metro6775 · 02/23/2015, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Scorpius

I've found that the closer to the surface of the water I keep my 360we the more my corals polyps are closed.

Same here and I run them less than 50%.

02/20/2015, 07:27 AM	#182
mmn Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Fort Lauderdale Posts: 340	DIY Controller Anyone know of work being done on a diy controller for the 360? Regards Michael __________________ Regards Michael 125g DT, Jebao DC9000, BA drain, 55g sump, Mixing: 2x32g Brutes, Panworld 30PX, 20l QT, RLSS R6I skimmer, 3 x Kessil A360WE, Neptune Apex. Current Tank Info: 2 clowns, 2 blue-green chromis, 2 Duncans and 2 GSPs

02/20/2015, 08:59 AM	#184
rc1626 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Long Island Posts: 451	Joesfiddy: I've found where there was a 250 watt MH you need 2 Kessils to achieve about the same brightness. Not to say 1 can't get the job done growing things ( I've always liked the par 2 put out) but I've always used 2 in place of 1 MH for growth and asthetics. 2 in a 2' x 2' area will also greatly reduce shadowing. Unfortunately you're doubling the cost. Last edited by rc1626; 02/20/2015 at 09:05 AM.

02/20/2015, 12:34 PM	#186
debincalif Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Sacramento, California Posts: 397	Ok, so now I'm sold on the Kessil. It was suggested that I could use a 160 or 360N, but I've decided to go with the A360WE and the gooseneck mount and ditch the hood on my cube. Next question - I have a Reef Keeper Lite on the tank (bought the whole set-up used), but I haven't quite figured it out yet. It does have the separate light dimmer module. Will this work to control the Kessil? __________________ 24g JBJ Nano, Kessil a360w, InTank Media Basket, Tunze 9002, VorTech MP10wES, ReefKeeper lite

02/20/2015, 12:56 PM	#188
debincalif Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Sacramento, California Posts: 397	Great! That saves me from forking over another $100 for the Kessil controller. Thanks! __________________ 24g JBJ Nano, Kessil a360w, InTank Media Basket, Tunze 9002, VorTech MP10wES, ReefKeeper lite

02/22/2015, 07:09 AM	#191
4corners Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Bloomfield NM Posts: 13	For best growth and extension and overall health. Wondering if anyone has any good reference points for specific corals @ specific depths and settings? For example: ( a few of mine) Kessil a360we running @1/3 output mounted 9"above waterline Frogspawn @18" depth -Great color, growth, and extension Neon trumpet coral@ 16" depth - great color, poor growth/ recession , poor extension Long polyped toadstoo l@ 8" depth -great color ,good growth and extension This is assuming all other coral needs are met. __________________ 50g cube +2x14g Biocubes

02/19/2015, 08:14 PM	#179
firstimereefer Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Kenosha, WI Posts: 49	I just purchased the Kessil Controller and I am wondering on how to set it up for a complete cycle of sunrise to sunset and some night actinic action. I have the A360 over a 60G cube.

02/19/2015, 08:19 PM	#180
Newbie Aquarist Reefing is my middle name Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Clearwater, FL Posts: 5,796	Here is an example Time Color Intensity 8:00 0% 15% 10:00 20% 50% 12:00 50% 100% 14:00 75% 100% 16:00 40% 50% 18:00 0% 0% Just adjust it to your liking. I don't think you need to run it up to 100% intensity. Maybe 80% a5 the most in my opinion but every tank is different. Then I would set it to acclimation mode starting at 40% so you don't shock your corals.

02/20/2015, 09:42 AM	#185
Tcook Premium Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Visalia, CA Posts: 1,350	There was a thread comparing cost/electrical consumption between Kessil and MH. The ROI wasn't really there. However this did not include other cost savings. In my case, I changed fron 2 x 250 watt MH to 4 x a360 (500 watt to about 300). The difference was that my 1/3 hp chiller went from running all the time to really never running. You do need more Kessils to "get around" rockwork obstructions compaired to MH

02/20/2015, 12:53 PM	#187
rc1626 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Long Island Posts: 451	As long as you have the DA alc module you are good. Just need the 3.5 mm cable that is sold for the connection between the alc and light. Some people will buy a regular 3.5 mm audio cable and cut and splice it into the alc cable. Either way works. You'll be able to control both color and intensity. The diy way is a little less expensive.

02/20/2015, 07:21 PM	#190
Chrisjbarry Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 292	3 - 360we on a 48" 108 gallon ImageUploadedByTapatalk1424481666.755089.jpg

02/22/2015, 04:00 PM	#192
KJoFan Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 236	Can someone explain exactly how the acclimation mode works? Set the length of days you want it to acclimate for, and intensity is starting intensity or ending intensity after 14 days?

02/22/2015, 06:55 PM	#195
Newbie Aquarist Reefing is my middle name Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Clearwater, FL Posts: 5,796	The acclimation mode is based off your quick set.

02/23/2015, 12:10 PM	#199
Scorpius Stick Head Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Northwest Indiana Posts: 1,208	I've found that the closer to the surface of the water I keep my 360we the more my corals polyps are closed.