New Vertex Cerebra $699.99 - Intro Price $374.99 - Page 8

ca1ore · 06/24/2016, 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by jason2459

Even worse. I guess it's still not even 1.0 if its still being sold has a beta version.

Yes, good point .....

FirstContact · 06/24/2016, 09:02 AM

I'm looking forward to the Cerebra as a new toy to play with. Couldn't resist at $375. I understand the software is going to change and I get to be a part of the input that changes it. The hardware won't change. My Apex Classic was awesome - everything is perfect, but I didn't like the plastic look and feel of the new Apex (even though the new Apex has a lot of great enhancements that everyone can be excited about).

redddogg69 · 06/24/2016, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by ReefCowboy

LOL! Please. Anyone with little information could have posted here to make this look less ridiculous. You are saying Aquarium Specialty cant have a "Joe the Reefer" person post here, like weve seen happen with different products with a little more inside informabout the product?

Companies understand the importance of forums among hobbyist, and I am sure they could have done better than this. Arent they aiming the American market?

Companies that want to gain customers and make money need to show care in this hobby. Nobody needs time in this forum to know this simple fact.

Aquarium Specialty has a forum here and is a sponsor, so yes they could have posted and still might. My point was I've seen posts made by non sponsors in the past get nuked because they don't sponsor. This isn't a dig at RC either, sponsors are how they fund this site. My point was Vertex likely doesn't officially post here because of that.

bigfruits · 06/24/2016, 11:38 AM

it looks like this controller is causing quite a stir with apex owners. are they worried that they will no longer have the best thing out there? im beginning to think that might be the case. it seems people are almost upset that this thing will soon be available.

I doubt it will be worth replacing my apex with a vertex but for a new setup, why not?

better to have options and competition which apex has not had much of.

RobbyG · 06/24/2016, 11:40 AM

In all honesty Vertex might not be all that interested in the US market.
I use to think the US market for SW aquarium equipment was large, then I got a breakdown of sales in the EU and Japan and realized we are not that big in the market. I guess I should have known, look how much aquarium equipment comes out of Germany and Italy. There had to be a reason!

Salty150 · 06/24/2016, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by RobbyG

In all honesty Vertex might not be all that interested in the US market.
I use to think the US market for SW aquarium equipment was large, then I got a breakdown of sales in the EU and Japan and realized we are not that big in the market. I guess I should have known, look how much aquarium equipment comes out of Germany and Italy. There had to be a reason!

There might be some truth to that...

If you look at their new all-in-one sump systems - all of the connections are metric.

If you buy one in the U.S. they include these adapters (that look like crap) to make the metric to U.S. (Imperial) conversions.

laverda · 06/24/2016, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by FirstContact

Look for buy in. Your not spending $375, your saving $325! Invest in some roses.

What savings? Clearly this is not a package. It is nothing but hype to get people to buy an unproven oversized box from a company with a horable service reputation.
I dont get it! Seams to me it should be compared to the reefkeaper, not an apex

FirstContact · 06/24/2016, 05:30 PM

$375 does not get you a package not even with Apex.

Salty150 · 06/24/2016, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by FirstContact

$375 does not get you a package not even with Apex.

Apex Jr is $239.95

Comes with the display, powerbar (4 outlet) and temp probe.

FirstContact · 06/24/2016, 07:27 PM

The Apex Jr doesn't compare to the Apex or Vertex Cerebra. A "package" deal would be the new Apex that comes with everything for $800. The Cerebra is obviously competing with the new Apex and offering their controller without extra probes for $375.

ReefCowboy · 06/24/2016, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by bigfruits

it looks like this controller is causing quite a stir with apex owners. are they worried that they will no longer have the best thing out there? im beginning to think that might be the case. it seems people are almost upset that this thing will soon be available.

I doubt it will be worth replacing my apex with a vertex but for a new setup, why not?

better to have options and competition which apex has not had much of.

Apex owners or not only want to know more about this system, competition always helps the hobby. This Cerebra was gaining momentum when it started being anounced and everyone including myself were excited to learn more about it. Lets stop the Apex vs Cerebra talk. Apex is a proven, excellent controller, great customer service. It is here already. Cerebra is being unveiled(or is it)

NOBODY here knows much about what is happening next, and the assumptions is what drives me crazy, people are making a system up in their heads at this point.

What Im criticizing is the approach of a (hopefully) planned 4 year launch that is so far terrible. Brs came out announcing selling it and now backed out showing uncertainty about its current version status. People have bought it, now what?

jason2459 · 06/24/2016, 08:02 PM

I keep saying if it should be compared to any controller feature or price wise it should probably be the DA Archon which is also an open source platform. Or maybe even the reef angel or aquatronics. They want simplicity and cost effectiveness. . I want that for my nano.

Apex vs Profilux now there's something to that. They are much more about having a more advanced controller. I want this for my bigger tank.

cali9dub · 06/27/2016, 06:08 PM

Here is some more info...

https://cerebra.club/cerebra-prima-t...l-information/

Wayner2 · 06/28/2016, 04:26 AM

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Originally Posted by cali9dub

Here is some more info...

https://cerebra.club/cerebra-prima-t...l-information/

Thanks for that!

Raul-7 · 06/28/2016, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by bigfruits

it looks like this controller is causing quite a stir with apex owners. are they worried that they will no longer have the best thing out there? im beginning to think that might be the case. it seems people are almost upset that this thing will soon be available.

I doubt it will be worth replacing my apex with a vertex but for a new setup, why not?

better to have options and competition which apex has not had much of.

Not really; the last German-made controller [yes, you GHL] I had left a bitter taste in my mouth. Highly overpriced and limited. And from the video, seems like it takes a lot more work to program an outlet.

Moreover, Apex is much more mature. They offer the WAV, DOS, LDM and will soon add the FMM, COR and optical sensors.

But it seems like a welcome change in the market - will keep an eye on it to see how it pans out.

cali9dub · 06/28/2016, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Wayner2

Thanks for that!

No problem. Looks like a lot of good info that answers the strings of speculation in this thread. I think between that link and their Facebook page the info is the most recent.

RobbyG · 06/28/2016, 02:28 PM

Well I guess that $395 price Tag is having a domino effect on the controller market.
I noticed that Aquatronica has lowered their price to $695 for the gold package with powerbar/ORP/pH/Salinity/2x Float and Temp probe. I would imagine to add those extras to the Vertex would make it cost about the same.

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh....php?t=2586973

Rob

jwilliams860 · 06/29/2016, 04:32 PM

Saw this about developing apps

https://************.com/2016/06/29/vertex-open-letter/

jwilliams860 · 06/29/2016, 04:33 PM

Ha oops, I didn't realize it would block the link, sorry

gcarroll · 06/29/2016, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Raul-7

Not really; the last German-made controller [yes, you GHL]Moreover, Apex is much more mature. They offer the WAV, DOS, LDM and will soon add the FMM, COR and optical sensors.

But it seems like a welcome change in the market - will keep an eye on it to see how it pans out.

Vertex has a lot of products in the pipeline that will work with the cerebra. Many of them were waiting on the cerebra to be completed. I think in the end, the products will truly be comparable.

And no, the pump is not called a Vectra. They call it the Stratus.

scuzy · 06/29/2016, 07:00 PM

I already preorder and bought all the power bar and mindsets needed to run both aquarium. Can't wait to move on from the apex. The coding was refined enough. Wish the alerts could give me more details than this when on/off

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Bent · 06/29/2016, 07:08 PM

Wasn't this supposed to be out 6/20?

What happened?

reefingnoob · 06/29/2016, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Bent

Wasn't this supposed to be out 6/20?

What happened?

It was to be shipped from Germany 6/20 but it was delayed few days. It's on transit now supposed to reach Friday or Monday then 1 more day in customs.

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ReefCowboy · 06/30/2016, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by gcarroll

Vertex has a lot of products in the pipeline that will work with the cerebra. Many of them were waiting on the cerebra to be completed. I think in the end, the products will truly be comparable.

And no, the pump is not called a Vectra. They call it the Stratus.

Gregg,

The pump looks good, but is that box its controller?
That is huge. At first I thought that was the pump next to the cerebra...but read "stratus" on it.

fcmatt · 06/30/2016, 08:52 AM

Did anyone buy the special and then also add in another "power bar", assorted probes, float switches, etc.. and come to the conclusion you are only saving 50 bucks or something compared to an Apex with the same abilities/specs?

I need to sit down and do the math but I am wondering if anyone else already did.

I suppose my aquacontroller junior is due for an upgrade. ;-)

06/24/2016, 09:02 AM	#177
FirstContact Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Glenn Dale, MD Posts: 1,613	I'm looking forward to the Cerebra as a new toy to play with. Couldn't resist at $375. I understand the software is going to change and I get to be a part of the input that changes it. The hardware won't change. My Apex Classic was awesome - everything is perfect, but I didn't like the plastic look and feel of the new Apex (even though the new Apex has a lot of great enhancements that everyone can be excited about). __________________ No man is an island entire of itself; any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind; never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee. John Donne Current Tank Info: 120g Reef 100g Rubbermaid Sump, 20g Refugium; previous tank: 46g Drilled; Self Plumbed, Birds Nest, Anchor, Xenia, Zoas, Yuma Yuma Ricordea, Chalice, Mushrooms, Brain, Acan, Anenome Plate; Clams, Other Inverts, Fish, Live Rock

06/24/2016, 11:40 AM	#180
RobbyG Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: 600 Ft From the Reef Posts: 2,099	In all honesty Vertex might not be all that interested in the US market. I use to think the US market for SW aquarium equipment was large, then I got a breakdown of sales in the EU and Japan and realized we are not that big in the market. I guess I should have known, look how much aquarium equipment comes out of Germany and Italy. There had to be a reason! __________________ The Optimist says the glass is half full, the Pessimist says it’s half empty, an engineer only see's a glass that’s twice as big as it needs to be! Current Tank Info: Insanely Automated Low Power Consumption 90 Gal Oceanic Bow System/Aquatronica Touch Controller/AQ Dosing Pump/AQT LEDS/AQ SMS/Seq Dart Pump/ASM G3/Ozotech Ozonizer/Koralin 1502/Chiller/Typhoon3 Ro/S.Squirt /Phos React/Rmt DSB

06/24/2016, 05:30 PM	#183
FirstContact Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Glenn Dale, MD Posts: 1,613	$375 does not get you a package not even with Apex. __________________ No man is an island entire of itself; any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind; never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee. John Donne Current Tank Info: 120g Reef 100g Rubbermaid Sump, 20g Refugium; previous tank: 46g Drilled; Self Plumbed, Birds Nest, Anchor, Xenia, Zoas, Yuma Yuma Ricordea, Chalice, Mushrooms, Brain, Acan, Anenome Plate; Clams, Other Inverts, Fish, Live Rock

06/24/2016, 07:27 PM	#185
FirstContact Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Glenn Dale, MD Posts: 1,613	The Apex Jr doesn't compare to the Apex or Vertex Cerebra. A "package" deal would be the new Apex that comes with everything for $800. The Cerebra is obviously competing with the new Apex and offering their controller without extra probes for $375. __________________ No man is an island entire of itself; any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind; never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee. John Donne Current Tank Info: 120g Reef 100g Rubbermaid Sump, 20g Refugium; previous tank: 46g Drilled; Self Plumbed, Birds Nest, Anchor, Xenia, Zoas, Yuma Yuma Ricordea, Chalice, Mushrooms, Brain, Acan, Anenome Plate; Clams, Other Inverts, Fish, Live Rock Last edited by FirstContact; 06/24/2016 at 07:43 PM.

06/24/2016, 08:02 PM	#187
jason2459 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Iowa Posts: 9,671	I keep saying if it should be compared to any controller feature or price wise it should probably be the DA Archon which is also an open source platform. Or maybe even the reef angel or aquatronics. They want simplicity and cost effectiveness. . I want that for my nano. Apex vs Profilux now there's something to that. They are much more about having a more advanced controller. I want this for my bigger tank. __________________ rebuild and recovery log: No more red house, you'll have to click on my name and visit my homepage! You can check out my parameters at reeftronics dot net website and look for my username. Current Tank Info: 180g mixed reef w/ a beananimal overflow to a dolomite RRUGF. \| 20g long G. Smithii Mantis Tank

06/24/2016, 11:38 AM	#179
bigfruits Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: NOVA Posts: 406	it looks like this controller is causing quite a stir with apex owners. are they worried that they will no longer have the best thing out there? im beginning to think that might be the case. it seems people are almost upset that this thing will soon be available. I doubt it will be worth replacing my apex with a vertex but for a new setup, why not? better to have options and competition which apex has not had much of.

06/27/2016, 06:08 PM	#188
cali9dub Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Cape Coral, Florida Posts: 888	Here is some more info... https://cerebra.club/cerebra-prima-t...l-information/

06/28/2016, 02:28 PM	#192
RobbyG Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: 600 Ft From the Reef Posts: 2,099	Well I guess that $395 price Tag is having a domino effect on the controller market. I noticed that Aquatronica has lowered their price to $695 for the gold package with powerbar/ORP/pH/Salinity/2x Float and Temp probe. I would imagine to add those extras to the Vertex would make it cost about the same. http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh....php?t=2586973 Rob __________________ The Optimist says the glass is half full, the Pessimist says it’s half empty, an engineer only see's a glass that’s twice as big as it needs to be! Current Tank Info: Insanely Automated Low Power Consumption 90 Gal Oceanic Bow System/Aquatronica Touch Controller/AQ Dosing Pump/AQT LEDS/AQ SMS/Seq Dart Pump/ASM G3/Ozotech Ozonizer/Koralin 1502/Chiller/Typhoon3 Ro/S.Squirt /Phos React/Rmt DSB

06/29/2016, 04:32 PM	#193
jwilliams860 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Charlotte NC Posts: 407	Saw this about developing apps https://************.com/2016/06/29/vertex-open-letter/

06/29/2016, 04:33 PM	#194
jwilliams860 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Charlotte NC Posts: 407	Ha oops, I didn't realize it would block the link, sorry

06/29/2016, 07:00 PM	#196
scuzy Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 6,499	I already preorder and bought all the power bar and mindsets needed to run both aquarium. Can't wait to move on from the apex. The coding was refined enough. Wish the alerts could give me more details than this when on/off Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

06/29/2016, 07:08 PM	#197
Bent I got nothin' Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: The anals Posts: 6,420	Wasn't this supposed to be out 6/20? What happened? __________________ Quitters never lose. [QUOTE=CStrickland]Who gets mad at a starfish?[/QUOTE] Current Tank Info: 75g DT, 30G refugium, 10g chaeto tank, 50g stock tank basement sump

06/30/2016, 08:52 AM	#200
fcmatt Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: NH Posts: 850	Did anyone buy the special and then also add in another "power bar", assorted probes, float switches, etc.. and come to the conclusion you are only saving 50 bucks or something compared to an Apex with the same abilities/specs? I need to sit down and do the math but I am wondering if anyone else already did. I suppose my aquacontroller junior is due for an upgrade. ;-)