anyone tried to using Jebo WP40? - Page 80

bluewater921 · 04/01/2013, 06:33 AM

this is like x mas .. mine will be here today .

Sacohen · 04/01/2013, 06:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Ron Reefman

I think you mean Fish Street not Fish City. And I have less issue with the store not dealing with the warranty issue than with the manufacturer. Try contacting Jebao directly:
http://www.jebao.com/en/introduce002.html

Just to keep everyone up to date on my customer service with Jebao.
This is what I received from them this morning...

We are sorry for the problem ,
maybe there are some problem for the sensor ,
this is our first time we heard this kind of this problem,
and I've asked our engineer to test it according your description ;
We want to check if replcae a sensor can slove your problem but I still
have not got the answer from my engineer at the moment ;

And we didn't sell the pump directly to Fish-Street.com ,
maybe they buy from our China customer , so can you contact Fish-Street.com
to ask then to send a sensor first as it's not expensive,thanks!

The thing I find interesting is they say that they don't sell directly to Fish-Street.com.

I will contact Fish-Street.com again and see what they say and I'll keep everyone informed as things develop.

88rxna · 04/01/2013, 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by bluewater921

this is like x mas .. mine will be here today .

Lucky! Mine left from CA the 28th and havent got any updates since..:what:

bluewater921 · 04/01/2013, 07:22 AM

88 your will prob show up today or tomorrow .. its normally 3 days from cali to the east coast

SimonSKL · 04/01/2013, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Frode

Terrance,
You are partly right, pointing the pump down a bit makes a difference, but it is still a lot of noise. To much for me.

Btw, The pump is all the way in the holder

http://youtu.be/BRAyK-J4CEM

Frode,
Your pump from the video is definitely noisier than my WP40 but my Vortech MP40 is probably 2X as loud

You said your pump is all the way in the holder. Can it freely rotate within the holder without any binding?

Sulcata102 · 04/01/2013, 08:01 AM

I can't believe it took so long to get a knock off. The competition is good for everyone. that being said both tunze and vortech are great companies to deal with. they have awesome customer service and i would def buy from them again. but if i need a cheap back up. i would consider this pump.

rrasco · 04/01/2013, 09:13 AM

What's weird about my orders is that I have two different shipments. One was processed in HK on 3/25 and is the last update for that shipment. I had another processed in HK on 3/26 and was delivered on 3/30.

It was two days from SF to me, for the one that was delivered.

bluewater921 · 04/01/2013, 09:20 AM

it does seem like they ship fast IMO ..

indyjaco · 04/01/2013, 09:25 AM

What voltage seems best for a 6' 125?

Ron Reefman · 04/01/2013, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Sacohen

Just to keep everyone up to date on my customer service with Jebao.
This is what I received from them this morning...

We are sorry for the problem ,
maybe there are some problem for the sensor ,
this is our first time we heard this kind of this problem,
and I've asked our engineer to test it according your description ;
We want to check if replcae a sensor can slove your problem but I still
have not got the answer from my engineer at the moment ;

And we didn't sell the pump directly to Fish-Street.com ,
maybe they buy from our China customer , so can you contact Fish-Street.com
to ask then to send a sensor first as it's not expensive,thanks!

The thing I find interesting is they say that they don't sell directly to Fish-Street.com.

I will contact Fish-Street.com again and see what they say and I'll keep everyone informed as things develop.

Yep, that's the kind of crappy customer service I was concerned about. They tell you the part is cheap and then ask you to get it from Fish Street. Well Fish Street didn't make it. And if the part is cheap, just pull one or two they know are good (as in test them first) and mail them out.

I have issues with my sensor too. If I turn the lights off in the room all at once, it's dark and the pump continues to run. If I set the room lights dim, or point the sensor at the moonlights in the tank (a PITA to do) and it goes on night mode. If I then cover the sensor with my finger it goes back to day mode. The really screwy part is, if I leave the dim lights on for a few minutes and then cover the sensor (or turn the lights completely off) it stays in night mode. It's totally screwy. I tried it at the 18v I have been running it at and again at 24v and it does the same thing either way. Honestly I'd rather have a $150 pump that worked better rather than a too cheap pump that is marginal.

So I've just sent my 'complaint' to Jebao as well.

SimonSKL · 04/01/2013, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Ron Reefman

I have issues with my sensor too. If I turn the lights off in the room all at once, it's dark and the pump continues to run. If I set the room lights dim, or point the sensor at the moonlights in the tank (a PITA to do) and it goes on night mode. If I then cover the sensor with my finger it goes back to day mode. The really screwy part is, if I leave the dim lights on for a few minutes and then cover the sensor (or turn the lights completely off) it stays in night mode. It's totally screwy. I tried it at the 18v I have been running it at and again at 24v and it does the same thing either way. Honestly I'd rather have a $150 pump that worked better rather than a too cheap pump that is marginal.

Ron, Have you ever thought about making a wire extension for the light sensor and have the sensor pointing at a more reliable light source than just depending on ambient light in the room?

Ron Reefman · 04/01/2013, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by SimonSKL

Ron, Have you ever thought about making a wire extension for the light sensor and have the sensor pointing at a more reliable light source than just depending on ambient light in the room?

I hadn't thought about that, and it's a great idea! Thanks for follow up. I'll see if I can get that done for tonight. I wonder if the resistance due to the lenght of the wire between the controller and the sensor may cause any issues? Make it to MACNA this year and I'll buy you a beer.

And it will still be interesting to see how Jebao handles these issues.

bluewater921 · 04/01/2013, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Ron Reefman

I hadn't thought about that, and it's a great idea! Thanks for follow up. I'll see if I can get that done for tonight. Make it to MACNA this year and I'll buy you a beer.

And it will still be interesting to see how Jebao handles these issues.

that is a really good idea .. thats what i was wondering about .. cause it might not be getting the right light into it ..

SimonSKL · 04/01/2013, 10:14 AM

The location where you install the light sensor on the controller is on the side which may not be the ideal location as the light source in most rooms comes from above.

rrasco · 04/01/2013, 10:15 AM

My light sensor works well. Took me a few minutes to figure it out, but when it is not getting light, it ramps the pump down. If the sensor get's light, it runs in whatever mode I have it set in. Worked well for me last night, LEDs ramped down and pump kicked into 'sensor mode'. While the lights were on, it ran the mode I had it set to. I had to mount it behind the tank for it to get enough light to say out of sensor mode though.

Frode · 04/01/2013, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by SimonSKL

Frode,
Your pump from the video is definitely noisier than my WP40 but my Vortech MP40 is probably 2X as loud

You said your pump is all the way in the holder. Can it freely rotate within the holder without any binding?

Hello Simon,

My tunze's are way more silent. I hope my WP-40 can be fixed.
It is firmly in the holder , I can rotate it freely, but it snaps in to place bit by bit, if you understand what I mean. But there is really no other way I can put it in there, so that's not my concern.
Btw, it also fits in the 'silent clam' of my Tunze 6065. Some noise though.

SimonSKL · 04/01/2013, 10:47 AM

We have talked about looking into replacing the light sensor with a variable resistor or pot to see if the light sensor port is simply an off and on switch between normal and 1/3 power or can we adjust pump speed through that port. I have tried a 5K and a 10K pot (all I have in the house) but they are just too small to do anything. I figure we need to use at least a 100K or 200K pot to see a difference. Did anyone try that?

Rookieofsalt · 04/01/2013, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Frode

Terrance,
You are partly right, pointing the pump down a bit makes a difference, but it is still a lot of noise. To much for me.

Btw, The pump is all the way in the holder

http://youtu.be/BRAyK-J4CEM

I ordered 1 last Monday and received on Saturday morning, very fast. Ran the pump only since yesterday, but I do get the same humming/vibration you have in the video. I am not sure it requires a few days/weeks to break in, but right is definitely louder than my 3 Evolution 1400s for sure.

wgraham · 04/01/2013, 11:50 AM

I added about 20 inches of wire to my light sensor and I pointed it towards and a little away from my LED's and it works pretty well. I also have two WP40's running off the same sensor. I lost one when I got them and tried adding wire to the one sensor to run both of my pumps and I haven't had any problems with them since day one and it been over a month running like this.

Cubed Reefer · 04/01/2013, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by wgraham

I added about 20 inches of wire to my light sensor and I pointed it towards and a little away from my LED's and it works pretty well. I also have two WP40's running off the same sensor. I lost one when I got them and tried adding wire to the one sensor to run both of my pumps and I haven't had any problems with them since day one and it been over a month running like this.

I would LOVE to see some pictures of this my friend.

CR

bluewater921 · 04/01/2013, 12:53 PM

just got mine all hooked up .. super quiet .. dont know maybe i can sometimes here it ramp up but nothing like i was thinking .. 1 is working great in my 180 got movement all over the place .. STOKED

rrasco · 04/01/2013, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by nunodinis

I also tried a Low Pass Filter(Wish is a circuit to convert the Digital PWM signal to an analog signal), but with 1K Resistor and 4.7uF capacitor the max output voltage was 3.8V, wich is not enough...

I have been reviewing your design for a while, and I believe I am going to go with a very similar design, however, I feel it is necessary to include the LPF somehow. I realize you said the voltage was too low, but I think this can be resolved by using a different resistor.

The LPF is necessary to clean up the square wave produced by PWM. It works, but it is very hard on the DC motor. It will shorten the life of the motor without a sine wave. This is the same reason that if you run a return pump or powerhead on a UPS, it should be a true sine UPS and not a cheap one that produces a square wave or a simulated sine.

wgraham · 04/01/2013, 01:11 PM

When I get home Cubed Reef I will post a picture

wgraham · 04/01/2013, 01:13 PM

would the analog out pins on the arduino work rrasco

rrasco · 04/01/2013, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by wgraham

would the analog out pins on the arduino work rrasco

No, they are inputs. You can set them as outputs, but then they just become digital pins like the rest.

04/01/2013, 06:33 AM	#1976
bluewater921 Registered Member. Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: melbourne fla Posts: 605	this is like x mas .. mine will be here today . __________________ if i was a fish i would play on the reef & swim in the surf Current Tank Info: 180 in the wall reef

04/01/2013, 07:22 AM	#1979
bluewater921 Registered Member. Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: melbourne fla Posts: 605	88 your will prob show up today or tomorrow .. its normally 3 days from cali to the east coast __________________ if i was a fish i would play on the reef & swim in the surf Current Tank Info: 180 in the wall reef

04/01/2013, 09:13 AM	#1982
rrasco Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: South Texas Posts: 2,159	What's weird about my orders is that I have two different shipments. One was processed in HK on 3/25 and is the last update for that shipment. I had another processed in HK on 3/26 and was delivered on 3/30. It was two days from SF to me, for the one that was delivered. __________________ -You had me at PWM

04/01/2013, 09:20 AM	#1983
bluewater921 Registered Member. Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: melbourne fla Posts: 605	it does seem like they ship fast IMO .. __________________ if i was a fish i would play on the reef & swim in the surf Current Tank Info: 180 in the wall reef

04/01/2013, 09:25 AM	#1984
indyjaco Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 726	What voltage seems best for a 6' 125? __________________ Jacob SCA 120G RB 48 V2

04/01/2013, 08:01 AM	#1981
Sulcata102 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Kingston, NY Posts: 25	I can't believe it took so long to get a knock off. The competition is good for everyone. that being said both tunze and vortech are great companies to deal with. they have awesome customer service and i would def buy from them again. but if i need a cheap back up. i would consider this pump.

04/01/2013, 10:14 AM	#1989
SimonSKL Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Danville, IL Posts: 1,918	The location where you install the light sensor on the controller is on the side which may not be the ideal location as the light source in most rooms comes from above. __________________ Simon Mixed LPS and SPS corals Camera - Canon T2i with EF100mm 2.8f USM macro lens Current Tank Info: AG 92g corner tank and Marineland 125g, RKE controllers, Maxspect and Eshine LEDs, MP40WES, Jebo WP40 & WP25

04/01/2013, 10:15 AM	#1990
rrasco Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: South Texas Posts: 2,159	My light sensor works well. Took me a few minutes to figure it out, but when it is not getting light, it ramps the pump down. If the sensor get's light, it runs in whatever mode I have it set in. Worked well for me last night, LEDs ramped down and pump kicked into 'sensor mode'. While the lights were on, it ran the mode I had it set to. I had to mount it behind the tank for it to get enough light to say out of sensor mode though. __________________ -You had me at PWM

04/01/2013, 10:47 AM	#1992
SimonSKL Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Danville, IL Posts: 1,918	We have talked about looking into replacing the light sensor with a variable resistor or pot to see if the light sensor port is simply an off and on switch between normal and 1/3 power or can we adjust pump speed through that port. I have tried a 5K and a 10K pot (all I have in the house) but they are just too small to do anything. I figure we need to use at least a 100K or 200K pot to see a difference. Did anyone try that? __________________ Simon Mixed LPS and SPS corals Camera - Canon T2i with EF100mm 2.8f USM macro lens Current Tank Info: AG 92g corner tank and Marineland 125g, RKE controllers, Maxspect and Eshine LEDs, MP40WES, Jebo WP40 & WP25

04/01/2013, 11:50 AM	#1994
wgraham Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 292	I added about 20 inches of wire to my light sensor and I pointed it towards and a little away from my LED's and it works pretty well. I also have two WP40's running off the same sensor. I lost one when I got them and tried adding wire to the one sensor to run both of my pumps and I haven't had any problems with them since day one and it been over a month running like this.

04/01/2013, 12:53 PM	#1996
bluewater921 Registered Member. Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: melbourne fla Posts: 605	just got mine all hooked up .. super quiet .. dont know maybe i can sometimes here it ramp up but nothing like i was thinking .. 1 is working great in my 180 got movement all over the place .. STOKED __________________ if i was a fish i would play on the reef & swim in the surf Current Tank Info: 180 in the wall reef

04/01/2013, 01:11 PM	#1998
wgraham Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 292	When I get home Cubed Reef I will post a picture

04/01/2013, 01:13 PM	#1999
wgraham Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 292	would the analog out pins on the arduino work rrasco