anyone tried to using Jebo WP40? - Page 84

Floyd R Turbo · 04/03/2013, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by DavidinGA

I'm calling BS. Maybe he bought a different "similiar" pump for $70...

What, a knock off of a knock off? LOL

ganjero · 04/03/2013, 09:06 AM

Oh you google savy guys

Here $75.06 shipped

SimonSKL · 04/03/2013, 09:29 AM

He just posted the link where he found the pump for $70 but the post was immediately deleted but not before it sent out to my email address.

Notice the pump is not called Jebao or Jebo but called Domestic WP40! A knockoff of a knockoff?

barry_keith · 04/03/2013, 09:36 AM

Interesting

barry_keith · 04/03/2013, 09:37 AM

It doesn't even mention that it's controllable and tunze is in the title.

bluewater921 · 04/03/2013, 09:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SimonSKL

He just posted the link where he found the pump for $70 but the post was immediately deleted but not before it sent out to my email address.

Notice the pump is not called Jebao or Jebo but called Domestic WP40! A knockoff of a knockoff?

i dont trust anything that has no info about it ..

Ron Reefman · 04/03/2013, 09:40 AM

It doesn't say it's a Jebao and they don't show the controller. It's a Chinese store selling thru the Chinese version of Ebay. And to get the $70. price you have take a $5 coupon (probably good for one pump only). Given what I've learned about EverGrow and the Chinese led manufacturing situation, my guess is somebody else is making this for Jebao and they are willing to sell to others if Jebao doesn't buy them all. Branding, and patents and proprietary products just don't happen in China. It's not the way they do business unless you are really a HUGE customer.

rrasco · 04/03/2013, 09:41 AM

This is what I was referring to about frequency. Here is a time domain simulation from an LPF signal providing a steady 4V. I am of the understanding that since we are supplying a PWM signal to the LPF, you still have a frequency. The LPF smooths out the PWM signal but you can clearly see a ripple exists after the LPF.

ganjero · 04/03/2013, 09:44 AM

It's the same, this seller here calls it domestic and jebao, fm band controller, etc http://www.mistertao.com/taobao-prod...437044522.html

Remember most of these seller have limited English

SimonSKL · 04/03/2013, 09:47 AM

There is no detail description of the product. As far as I am concerned, the price is just for the pump itself. There is no power supply and controller mentioned or included.

SimonSKL · 04/03/2013, 09:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ganjero

It's the same, this seller here calls it domestic and jebao, fm band controller, etc

Remember most of these seller have limited English

$135 shipped is worse than FS?

ganjero · 04/03/2013, 09:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SimonSKL

There is no detail description of the product. As far as I am concerned, the price is just for the pump itself. There is no power supply and controller mentioned or included.

LOL
I doubt it but a quick email to the seller can confirm what's included

ganjero · 04/03/2013, 09:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SimonSKL

$135 shipped is worse than FS?

That other link was for reference only, apparently these pump are also called Domestic, and FM band controller is also mentioned...

SimonSKL · 04/03/2013, 09:57 AM

It is interesting one would sell for $75 shipped and the other $135!

hollback · 04/03/2013, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by SimonSKL

It is interesting one would sell for $75 shipped and the other $135!

Shows what kind of mark up is going on.

I just received an email that my RA Jebao cable is being shipped today. Hopefully later this week I can see how easy this is to use with my Apex.

ganjero · 04/03/2013, 10:03 AM

look at the prices here, these things probably cost like $20 to make

and this picture shows the wp25 but I have not found that one for sale

88rxna · 04/03/2013, 10:11 AM

Tracking mine. Been in CA since the 28TH.

Floyd R Turbo · 04/03/2013, 10:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ron Reefman

It doesn't say it's a Jebao and they don't show the controller. It's a Chinese store selling thru the Chinese version of Ebay. And to get the $70. price you have take a $5 coupon (probably good for one pump only). Given what I've learned about EverGrow and the Chinese led manufacturing situation, my guess is somebody else is making this for Jebao and they are willing to sell to others if Jebao doesn't buy them all. Branding, and patents and proprietary products just don't happen in China. It's not the way they do business unless you are really a HUGE customer.

I filled out the info all the way to the "place order" screen and I didn't have to take a $5 coupon.

SimonSKL · 04/03/2013, 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ganjero

look at the prices here, these things probably cost like $20 to make

and this picture shows the wp25 but I have not found that one for sale

Those specs can't be correct as the WP25 is supposed to be smaller.

ganjero · 04/03/2013, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by SimonSKL

Those specs can't be correct as the WP25 is supposed to be smaller.

Common mistakes in Chinese product literature. The 6w and 3000l/h (about 792g/h) should be correct though.

nunodinis · 04/03/2013, 11:25 AM

Wow,

The thread goes fast!
About the PWM signal. I've tried the LPF with 1K Resistor and 4.7uF capacitor, but the max voltage i could get trough it was 3.8V, so decided to go directly with arduino PWM(Wich is not stable signal), and it also worked, sending the 5V at max. So i'll go with PWM direct signal, though some people might state that there might be a problem...
I've done it, tried it, filmed it and posted it earlier.
Right now i'm building the circuit(soldering and plugin), and as soon as i have it done, i'll have the pump running.

I'll be using a pot to control some modes, like ramp and max speed, another modes i don't see the need of beeing controled just because if it runs at lower speeds they will be less efficient.

BTW, the pot its not connected directly to the va line, its connected to the arduino so it can read the input, transform it and send the signal to the pump through the PWM.

I'm working on a way to connect an LM7810 to convert the 24VDC to 10VDC to power the arduino(the goal is to use only one power suply). But it would be another project.

Its really simple, if you dont mind changing mode connecting it to your computer, the only thing you need is an arduino!
Power Supply to feed the pump, and arduino to feed the va line.

I don't think that you need to have a 0-10V power to the va line, once the guy who did it, afterwards just plugged a resistor to cut the tension in half so it would have 0-5V...

Haxer · 04/03/2013, 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nunodinis

Wow,

The thread goes fast!
About the PWM signal. I've tried the LPF with 1K Resistor and 4.7uF capacitor, but the max voltage i could get trough it was 3.8V, so decided to go directly with arduino PWM(Wich is not stable signal), and it also worked, sending the 5V at max. So i'll go with PWM direct signal, though some people might state that there might be a problem...
I've done it, tried it, filmed it and posted it earlier.
Right now i'm building the circuit(soldering and plugin), and as soon as i have it done, i'll have the pump running.

I'll be using a pot to control some modes, like ramp and max speed, another modes i don't see the need of beeing controled just because if it runs at lower speeds they will be less efficient.

BTW, the pot its not connected directly to the va line, its connected to the arduino so it can read the input, transform it and send the signal to the pump through the PWM.

I'm working on a way to connect an LM7810 to convert the 24VDC to 10VDC to power the arduino(the goal is to use only one power suply). But it would be another project.

Its really simple, if you dont mind changing mode connecting it to your computer, the only thing you need is an arduino!
Power Supply to feed the pump, and arduino to feed the va line.

I don't think that you need to have a 0-10V power to the va line, once the guy who did it, afterwards just plugged a resistor to cut the tension in half so it would have 0-5V...

I am trying to get a arduino to run some of the Reef Angel Vortech modes to this pump. If I wanted to use push buttons on the arduino to change modes and have a lcd screen what else would I need besides the Arduino (presumably a R3 correct?) and a LCD sheild to make it happen? I would also be using the RA jebo cable they are offering... Since the Reef Angel is based on the adruino the code should run correct???

nunodinis · 04/03/2013, 11:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Haxer

I am trying to get a arduino to run some of the Reef Angel Vortech modes to this pump. If I wanted to use push buttons on the arduino to change modes and have a lcd screen what else would I need besides the Arduino (presumably a R3 correct?) and a LCD sheild to make it happen? I would also be using the RA jebo cable they are offering... Since the Reef Angel is based on the adruino the code should run correct???

I Supose so...
I don't have an RA so i can't confirm, but the coding is C, so probably it would. But don't forget that the RA would probably have more stuff in it, i assume that it has an RTC(Clock in other words), besides the relays it uses. So the libraries might be a litle different...
I dont have an LCD... but if you would like to have the code i've made to arduino uno(r3), please pm me your e-mail and i'll send it to you. i would have posted it here(again), but i'm making some minor changes to modes, so...

But yes i supose you could make it with a pushbutton, an LCD and... to connect it, probably the harness would work, but i'm working with the native controller(my controller broke down 4 days after i started the pump) and its cables, so can't tell, actually...

Sacohen · 04/03/2013, 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by barry_keith

It doesn't even mention that it's controllable and tunze is in the title.

Well the one from Fish-Street doesn't say it's controllable either.
It says it comes with a controller.

rrasco · 04/03/2013, 12:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Haxer

I am trying to get a arduino to run some of the Reef Angel Vortech modes to this pump. If I wanted to use push buttons on the arduino to change modes and have a lcd screen what else would I need besides the Arduino (presumably a R3 correct?) and a LCD sheild to make it happen? I would also be using the RA jebo cable they are offering... Since the Reef Angel is based on the adruino the code should run correct???

The RA has modules and add-ons that may be addressed in their code which you don't have. The RA PWM module runs at 10V, Arduino at 5V, so that needs to be taken into consideration as well.

Quote:

Originally Posted by nunodinis

I Supose so...
I don't have an RA so i can't confirm, but the coding is C, so probably it would. But don't forget that the RA would probably have more stuff in it, i assume that it has an RTC(Clock in other words), besides the relays it uses. So the libraries might be a litle different...
I dont have an LCD... but if you would like to have the code i've made to arduino uno(r3), please pm me your e-mail and i'll send it to you. i would have posted it here(again), but i'm making some minor changes to modes, so...

But yes i supose you could make it with a pushbutton, an LCD and... to connect it, probably the harness would work, but i'm working with the native controller(my controller broke down 4 days after i started the pump) and its cables, so can't tell, actually...

You should setup a google code repository, so you can post code there and keep it updated, and link to it from here. That way your links and references to it are always up to date.

04/03/2013, 09:06 AM	#2077
ganjero saiperchémibatteilcorazon Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Clearwater, FL Posts: 4,027	Oh you google savy guys Here $75.06 shipped Last edited by ganjero; 04/03/2013 at 09:31 AM.

04/03/2013, 09:29 AM	#2078
SimonSKL Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Danville, IL Posts: 1,918	He just posted the link where he found the pump for $70 but the post was immediately deleted but not before it sent out to my email address. Notice the pump is not called Jebao or Jebo but called Domestic WP40! A knockoff of a knockoff? __________________ Simon Mixed LPS and SPS corals Camera - Canon T2i with EF100mm 2.8f USM macro lens Current Tank Info: AG 92g corner tank and Marineland 125g, RKE controllers, Maxspect and Eshine LEDs, MP40WES, Jebo WP40 & WP25

04/03/2013, 09:40 AM	#2082
Ron Reefman Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Cape Coral, FL Posts: 10,431	It doesn't say it's a Jebao and they don't show the controller. It's a Chinese store selling thru the Chinese version of Ebay. And to get the $70. price you have take a $5 coupon (probably good for one pump only). Given what I've learned about EverGrow and the Chinese led manufacturing situation, my guess is somebody else is making this for Jebao and they are willing to sell to others if Jebao doesn't buy them all. Branding, and patents and proprietary products just don't happen in China. It's not the way they do business unless you are really a HUGE customer. __________________ The good thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe in it. (Neil deGrasse Tyson) Visit my build thread http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2593017

04/03/2013, 09:47 AM	#2085
SimonSKL Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Danville, IL Posts: 1,918	There is no detail description of the product. As far as I am concerned, the price is just for the pump itself. There is no power supply and controller mentioned or included. __________________ Simon Mixed LPS and SPS corals Camera - Canon T2i with EF100mm 2.8f USM macro lens Current Tank Info: AG 92g corner tank and Marineland 125g, RKE controllers, Maxspect and Eshine LEDs, MP40WES, Jebo WP40 & WP25

04/03/2013, 09:57 AM	#2089
SimonSKL Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Danville, IL Posts: 1,918	It is interesting one would sell for $75 shipped and the other $135! __________________ Simon Mixed LPS and SPS corals Camera - Canon T2i with EF100mm 2.8f USM macro lens Current Tank Info: AG 92g corner tank and Marineland 125g, RKE controllers, Maxspect and Eshine LEDs, MP40WES, Jebo WP40 & WP25

04/03/2013, 09:36 AM	#2079
barry_keith Moved On Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: North GA Posts: 453	Interesting

04/03/2013, 09:37 AM	#2080
barry_keith Moved On Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: North GA Posts: 453	It doesn't even mention that it's controllable and tunze is in the title.

04/03/2013, 09:44 AM	#2084
ganjero saiperchémibatteilcorazon Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Clearwater, FL Posts: 4,027	It's the same, this seller here calls it domestic and jebao, fm band controller, etc http://www.mistertao.com/taobao-prod...437044522.html Remember most of these seller have limited English

04/03/2013, 10:03 AM	#2091
ganjero saiperchémibatteilcorazon Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Clearwater, FL Posts: 4,027	look at the prices here, these things probably cost like $20 to make and this picture shows the wp25 but I have not found that one for sale Last edited by ganjero; 04/03/2013 at 10:49 AM.

04/03/2013, 10:11 AM	#2092
88rxna Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: ludlow,PA Posts: 605	Tracking mine. Been in CA since the 28TH. __________________ 90 gallon display, CSC bean animal overflow/30 gallon sump (in basement) SWC 160 skimmer reeflow dart external pump reefkeeper lite a pair of ocean revive S026 led fixtures

04/03/2013, 11:25 AM	#2096
nunodinis Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Portugal Posts: 13	Wow, The thread goes fast! About the PWM signal. I've tried the LPF with 1K Resistor and 4.7uF capacitor, but the max voltage i could get trough it was 3.8V, so decided to go directly with arduino PWM(Wich is not stable signal), and it also worked, sending the 5V at max. So i'll go with PWM direct signal, though some people might state that there might be a problem... I've done it, tried it, filmed it and posted it earlier. Right now i'm building the circuit(soldering and plugin), and as soon as i have it done, i'll have the pump running. I'll be using a pot to control some modes, like ramp and max speed, another modes i don't see the need of beeing controled just because if it runs at lower speeds they will be less efficient. BTW, the pot its not connected directly to the va line, its connected to the arduino so it can read the input, transform it and send the signal to the pump through the PWM. I'm working on a way to connect an LM7810 to convert the 24VDC to 10VDC to power the arduino(the goal is to use only one power suply). But it would be another project. Its really simple, if you dont mind changing mode connecting it to your computer, the only thing you need is an arduino! Power Supply to feed the pump, and arduino to feed the va line. I don't think that you need to have a 0-10V power to the va line, once the guy who did it, afterwards just plugged a resistor to cut the tension in half so it would have 0-5V...