Heed help no experience making QT and treating 2 diseases at once

JANOtheMANO · 09/12/2009, 10:14 PM

So i am making my QT its a 46 gallon bowfront
i will be treating a moderate ich breakout (first one) starting with a new hippo tang. 1 fish also has popeye from an abrasion on his eye.
unfortunatly he has the worst case of itch in the tank also
i will be using cupramine.
my question is what kind of media should i put into this filter

Now this will be my filtration+

Any suggestions on how to do this cause it will be a first
how do i go about making biological filtration with no live sand and no live rock.
Also how will i treat the fish with the popeye and itch and what type of antiboitic do ppl use to treat this.
\how long will everything take
any past experience and suggestions will hlp thanks guys ahead of time

JANOtheMANO · 09/13/2009, 07:21 AM

bump

LobsterOfJustice · 09/13/2009, 07:54 AM

Popeye will heal on it's own is the fish is put in clean water, a stress free environment, and fed healthy food.

clownaround2 · 09/13/2009, 08:17 AM

Would use Selcon or other vitamins and add liquid garlic to the food.

rkelman · 09/13/2009, 08:22 AM

I agree with not treating for popeye. 2 medications at the same time is bad news. Just treat the ich and keep the water pristine. Just run sponge in the filter. If you have any cycled sponge somewhere in your system it would be helpfull in keeping the new tank ammonia / nitrite free... You are going to have to watch close for a cycle though. It should take 4- 6 weeks of treatment to break the life cycle. As well obviously leave the main tank fallow for that time period.

JANOtheMANO · 09/13/2009, 08:44 AM

I guess it would be a good time to add new uncured live rock to my DT and do some new aquascaping

JANOtheMANO · 09/13/2009, 08:50 AM

so no bioballs in the filter only regular sponge?

kikireef · 09/13/2009, 09:10 AM

I have heard that dosing with copper will cure many diseases. That is your best bet probably. Some others can probably lend more advice than what I have. I believe that is what cupramine is anyways so I would say stick to that.

JANOtheMANO · 09/13/2009, 09:39 AM

so i fill up my QT with water add pvc pipe, and use stability.

How long will it take before i can add the fish over to the QT

wrott · 09/13/2009, 11:00 AM

You can use bioballs if they have been colonized w/ bacteria, and sacrificing a few small pieces of LR to stay in QT would be wise. You could add fish immediately, just watch out after feeding for NH3 spike and subsequent NO2. Be ready for WCs, and maybe have some Prime or Amquel on hand.

JANOtheMANO · 09/13/2009, 07:46 PM

if i run the filter in my established tank how long till it would aquire the benificiel bacteria

wrott · 09/13/2009, 09:38 PM

I believe anywhere from 48hrs to a few days. It would be hard to guess, but a few days should be sufficient.
Do you have bioballs from your's or someone else's tank that you could put in the QT tank?
Can you not use a few pieces of LR from the DT?
If you have any sponge material or floss that is in your DT, you can cut it and put it in the AC filter( a LFS could easily help you out w/ that).
If you don't feed, you will be OK for a couple of days, but test frequently. And you can always add Prime or Amquel prophylactically every few hours.

maroun.c · 09/13/2009, 11:29 PM

medicating with copper and AB at the same time might be risky. I would just medicate the fish with Ich with copper of Hyposalinity and watch the fish with eye abrasion if it seems to improve in the coming days. in case it continues wo worsen then maybe administering antibiotics with food or in a bath in an external bowl could be beneficial. make sure to return the fish to the Q tank without the treated water. one bad aspect to this would be netting the fish every day as that might affect the eye further. If you can scoop it out that should be better.

09/12/2009, 10:14 PM	#1
JANOtheMANO Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: HAMILTON Posts: 194	Heed help no experience making QT and treating 2 diseases at once So i am making my QT its a 46 gallon bowfront i will be treating a moderate ich breakout (first one) starting with a new hippo tang. 1 fish also has popeye from an abrasion on his eye. unfortunatly he has the worst case of itch in the tank also i will be using cupramine. my question is what kind of media should i put into this filter Now this will be my filtration+ Any suggestions on how to do this cause it will be a first how do i go about making biological filtration with no live sand and no live rock. Also how will i treat the fish with the popeye and itch and what type of antiboitic do ppl use to treat this. \how long will everything take any past experience and suggestions will hlp thanks guys ahead of time

09/13/2009, 07:21 AM	#2
JANOtheMANO Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: HAMILTON Posts: 194	bump __________________ "I pray to be like the ocean, with soft currents, maybe waves at times. More and more, I want the consistency rather than the highs and the lows" "Water is Life"

09/13/2009, 07:54 AM	#3
LobsterOfJustice Recovering Detritophobe Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Cary, NC Posts: 7,443	Popeye will heal on it's own is the fish is put in clean water, a stress free environment, and fed healthy food. __________________ If it's worth doing, it's worth doing right. I remember when zoanthids were called things like "green" and "orange" and not "reverse gorilla nipple." Current Tank Info: 180g reef with all the bells and whistles

09/13/2009, 08:50 AM	#7
JANOtheMANO Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: HAMILTON Posts: 194	so no bioballs in the filter only regular sponge? __________________ "I pray to be like the ocean, with soft currents, maybe waves at times. More and more, I want the consistency rather than the highs and the lows" "Water is Life"

09/13/2009, 09:10 AM	#8
kikireef Registered Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Chino at The Preserve Posts: 1,107	I have heard that dosing with copper will cure many diseases. That is your best bet probably. Some others can probably lend more advice than what I have. I believe that is what cupramine is anyways so I would say stick to that. __________________ Keith SCMAS Member Tank Info: 120 gallon 48"x30"x20" Leemar Rimless. 2 MP40w, 1 MP10w, SROsss Skimmer, ATI Sunpower 8x54w, Neptune Apex Controller with WXM module. 2 BRS dosing pumps. Check my homepage for the build...

09/13/2009, 08:17 AM	#4
clownaround2 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Orlando, Florida Posts: 174	Would use Selcon or other vitamins and add liquid garlic to the food.

09/13/2009, 08:22 AM	#5
rkelman Registered Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Belleville, Ontario Canada Posts: 3,438	I agree with not treating for popeye. 2 medications at the same time is bad news. Just treat the ich and keep the water pristine. Just run sponge in the filter. If you have any cycled sponge somewhere in your system it would be helpfull in keeping the new tank ammonia / nitrite free... You are going to have to watch close for a cycle though. It should take 4- 6 weeks of treatment to break the life cycle. As well obviously leave the main tank fallow for that time period.

09/13/2009, 08:44 AM	#6
JANOtheMANO Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: HAMILTON Posts: 194	I guess it would be a good time to add new uncured live rock to my DT and do some new aquascaping

09/13/2009, 09:39 AM	#9
JANOtheMANO Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: HAMILTON Posts: 194	so i fill up my QT with water add pvc pipe, and use stability. How long will it take before i can add the fish over to the QT

09/13/2009, 11:00 AM	#10
wrott Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Alabama Posts: 2,912	You can use bioballs if they have been colonized w/ bacteria, and sacrificing a few small pieces of LR to stay in QT would be wise. You could add fish immediately, just watch out after feeding for NH3 spike and subsequent NO2. Be ready for WCs, and maybe have some Prime or Amquel on hand. __________________ OK, but where does the meat go! ------------------------------------------------ 120g SPS, 125g mix, 56g FOWLR, 20g qt

09/13/2009, 07:46 PM	#11
JANOtheMANO Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: HAMILTON Posts: 194	if i run the filter in my established tank how long till it would aquire the benificiel bacteria __________________ "I pray to be like the ocean, with soft currents, maybe waves at times. More and more, I want the consistency rather than the highs and the lows" "Water is Life"

09/13/2009, 09:38 PM	#12
wrott Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Alabama Posts: 2,912	I believe anywhere from 48hrs to a few days. It would be hard to guess, but a few days should be sufficient. Do you have bioballs from your's or someone else's tank that you could put in the QT tank? Can you not use a few pieces of LR from the DT? If you have any sponge material or floss that is in your DT, you can cut it and put it in the AC filter( a LFS could easily help you out w/ that). If you don't feed, you will be OK for a couple of days, but test frequently. And you can always add Prime or Amquel prophylactically every few hours. __________________ OK, but where does the meat go! ------------------------------------------------ 120g SPS, 125g mix, 56g FOWLR, 20g qt

09/13/2009, 11:29 PM	#13
maroun.c Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Lebanon Posts: 6,111	medicating with copper and AB at the same time might be risky. I would just medicate the fish with Ich with copper of Hyposalinity and watch the fish with eye abrasion if it seems to improve in the coming days. in case it continues wo worsen then maybe administering antibiotics with food or in a bath in an external bowl could be beneficial. make sure to return the fish to the Q tank without the treated water. one bad aspect to this would be netting the fish every day as that might affect the eye further. If you can scoop it out that should be better. __________________ 390 G mixed reef build Current Tank Info: 390G mixed reef