Skimmerless octopus setup

larsson · 04/10/2003, 10:30 PM

Is it possible to do a 29 gallon Bimac setup skimmerless with just a deep sand bed and live rock as filtration with powerheads?

sideways · 04/12/2003, 08:12 AM

I guess anything's possible. I have a bimac in a 29 gallon (which I've come to feel is way too small) with a bak pak 2 skimmer. She's inked a little once and she opened a rotten mussel once. Both times I was very thankful for the skimmer. It quickly pulls everything out of the water. Octos are also very messy eaters. I would say it's definitely worth the $100 or so for the skimmer...you'll be glad you hve it one day.

cephalopoder · 04/12/2003, 08:44 AM

You could go skimmerless if you hooked up a small 5 gallon refugium. A skimmer helps to put more oxygen in the water and is great for removing ink. Carbon works well to remove ink, but needs changing often to be effective.

larsson · 04/12/2003, 09:23 AM

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Originally posted by cephalopoder
You could go skimmerless if you hooked up a small 5 gallon refugium. A skimmer helps to put more oxygen in the water and is great for removing ink. Carbon works well to remove ink, but needs changing often to be effective.

So, you could actually use a biowheel filter in place of a skimmer?

cephalopoder · 04/12/2003, 09:57 AM

A biowheel will put out nitrates. That is something you want to remove from your system. You can use a regular power filter with only a bag of carbon and no sponge or bio media. This will allow you to run water though a good bag of carbon. I would advise against the bio wheel if you are going with a deepsand bed anf trying to reduce nitrates.

larsson · 04/12/2003, 07:49 PM

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Originally posted by cephalopoder
A biowheel will put out nitrates. That is something you want to remove from your system. You can use a regular power filter with only a bag of carbon and no sponge or bio media. This will allow you to run water though a good bag of carbon. I would advise against the bio wheel if you are going with a deepsand bed anf trying to reduce nitrates.

I know that you should not use a tank which has had medication containing copper used in it before unless you clean it out with certain chemicals. However, how is a filter? Does it need to be cleaned with the same chemicals as well or is it safe to use after rinsing well?

cephalopoder · 04/13/2003, 07:38 AM

For a octopus, I wouldn't risk any piece of aquarium equiptment that has had copper or other medications running though it. Who knows you might be ok, but is it really worth the risk?

LittleMatt · 04/13/2003, 07:57 PM

I've been having trouble setting up my skimmer. Does anyone have pictures of how their setup is? That would be great.

Dean812 · 04/13/2003, 08:19 PM

What kind of skimmer?

Energy · 04/13/2003, 09:41 PM

A 29 gallon tank is a minimum size set-up for an octopus. To go skimmerless on that small of a tank is not wise. Octo's eat like pigs! Octo's also ink! Skimmers not only assist to remove both of these potential disasters waiting to happen but they also OXYGENATE the water. Oct's need highly oxygenated water. Yes a refugium would add oxygen but it could not handle the waste output or inking capacity of an octo. On the other hand a very small octo (pygmy) could live quite well in a 29 gallon without a skimmer. Avoid anything that will grow to the size of a Bi-mac in that set-up. The problem then becomes - not just acquiring an octopus but acquiring a pygmy octopus. All in all spend the dough on a skimmer and sleep well at night knowing your giving one of the top ten smartest animals in the world the best possible home. FYI- having an octopus is like having a dog. All of my octo's have been trained to eat from my hand and interact with me on a daily basis!

sideways · 04/14/2003, 01:13 PM

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Originally posted by Energy
All in all spend the dough on a skimmer and sleep well at night knowing your giving one of the top ten smartest animals in the world the best possible home.

4th smartest in the world

LittleMatt · 04/14/2003, 08:10 PM

it's an Aquaclear Aquatics skimmer, and it's venturi driven. I think I might have the situation under control, but I'll be able to tell better in the morning.

04/10/2003, 10:30 PM	#1
larsson Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 499	Skimmerless octopus setup Is it possible to do a 29 gallon Bimac setup skimmerless with just a deep sand bed and live rock as filtration with powerheads?

04/12/2003, 08:12 AM	#2
sideways Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Swansboro N.C. Posts: 95	I guess anything's possible. I have a bimac in a 29 gallon (which I've come to feel is way too small) with a bak pak 2 skimmer. She's inked a little once and she opened a rotten mussel once. Both times I was very thankful for the skimmer. It quickly pulls everything out of the water. Octos are also very messy eaters. I would say it's definitely worth the $100 or so for the skimmer...you'll be glad you hve it one day. __________________ Paradise by the dashboard light... Current Tank Info: At home: 20g FOWLR, 50g FOWLR, 46g bowfront FW... At work: Sea Nettles, Moon Jellies, 1300g lionfish and 11,000g FW

04/12/2003, 08:44 AM	#3
cephalopoder Premium Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: NH Posts: 898	You could go skimmerless if you hooked up a small 5 gallon refugium. A skimmer helps to put more oxygen in the water and is great for removing ink. Carbon works well to remove ink, but needs changing often to be effective. __________________ Master the food chain and you can rear anything.

04/12/2003, 09:57 AM	#5
cephalopoder Premium Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: NH Posts: 898	A biowheel will put out nitrates. That is something you want to remove from your system. You can use a regular power filter with only a bag of carbon and no sponge or bio media. This will allow you to run water though a good bag of carbon. I would advise against the bio wheel if you are going with a deepsand bed anf trying to reduce nitrates. __________________ Master the food chain and you can rear anything.

04/13/2003, 07:38 AM	#7
cephalopoder Premium Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: NH Posts: 898	For a octopus, I wouldn't risk any piece of aquarium equiptment that has had copper or other medications running though it. Who knows you might be ok, but is it really worth the risk? __________________ Master the food chain and you can rear anything.

04/13/2003, 07:57 PM	#8
LittleMatt Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 43	I've been having trouble setting up my skimmer. Does anyone have pictures of how their setup is? That would be great.

04/13/2003, 08:19 PM	#9
Dean812 Moved On Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: New Jersey Posts: 606	What kind of skimmer?

04/13/2003, 09:41 PM	#10
Energy Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Mendota Heights,MN Posts: 411	A 29 gallon tank is a minimum size set-up for an octopus. To go skimmerless on that small of a tank is not wise. Octo's eat like pigs! Octo's also ink! Skimmers not only assist to remove both of these potential disasters waiting to happen but they also OXYGENATE the water. Oct's need highly oxygenated water. Yes a refugium would add oxygen but it could not handle the waste output or inking capacity of an octo. On the other hand a very small octo (pygmy) could live quite well in a 29 gallon without a skimmer. Avoid anything that will grow to the size of a Bi-mac in that set-up. The problem then becomes - not just acquiring an octopus but acquiring a pygmy octopus. All in all spend the dough on a skimmer and sleep well at night knowing your giving one of the top ten smartest animals in the world the best possible home. FYI- having an octopus is like having a dog. All of my octo's have been trained to eat from my hand and interact with me on a daily basis!

04/14/2003, 08:10 PM	#12
LittleMatt Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 43	it's an Aquaclear Aquatics skimmer, and it's venturi driven. I think I might have the situation under control, but I'll be able to tell better in the morning.