fish list.. what do you think??

lucy.lou.glass · 06/29/2007, 06:00 PM

i'm upgrading to a 58 gallon tank.

i already have a maroon clown and blue damsel that will be transfered after the others are bought and setteled.

heres the wish list

one yellow tang
one 6 line wrasse
and maybe a neon goby or yellow watchman goby.
and then the maroon clown and damsel will be added

any input?

ahullsb · 06/29/2007, 06:08 PM

Well hopefully the maroon will get enormous! I'm staying neutral on the tang and would highly recommend the yellow watchman. The diamond goby is cool also. I hear mixed opinions on 6 lines. Some people love them, others don't. There are some really cool fairy wrasses and anthias that I would do instead, depending on how much room you have left. Your clown and tang will get very large so keep that in mind before adding any other large fish.

kkyyllee · 06/29/2007, 06:11 PM

no tang

lucy.lou.glass · 06/29/2007, 06:39 PM

why do you hope the maroon will get enormous? just curious

what about a lunar wrasse? i did like the fairy wrasses that i saw too though... why do you feel they are better then a six line???

i wasn't planning on adding any other larger fish after the tang and maroon...

what reasons do you have for no tang????

mr.maroonsalty · 06/29/2007, 06:46 PM

nice mix, do them all but the tang and no more stocking w/o really good filtration. I don't know about adding a fairy or flasher with a gsm and blue damsel, let alone the hexataenia. Anouther fun fish is twin spot hog B. Bimaculatus. The neon is ify with those tankmates, maybe it will be a respected cleaner.

kkyyllee · 06/29/2007, 06:50 PM

tangs need big tanks they get around 6 inches usually and can get 8, and need a lots of swimming room, liveaquaria says 100 gallons minimum for a yellow, you might be able to get away with it in a 75 tho but it wouldnt be happy

mr.maroonsalty · 06/29/2007, 06:52 PM

You need to do the tang thing on your own, tangs and their tank size is a touchy subject.

lucy.lou.glass · 06/29/2007, 06:56 PM

hmm yeah that's what it seem like.. i had read on some site that the yellow tangs had a 50 gallon minimum... thats exactly why i posted this, to get some feed back.. it seem like you can find a website to tell you anything you want to hear.. it's hard to know what's the truth.m

maybe i'll skip the tang all together....
any other fish suggestions to go with the remaining fish in the mix???

ahullsb · 06/29/2007, 06:56 PM

The said I hope because they SHOULD get very large. If not then something is wrong. The sixlines are reported by many people to be aggressive fish. Others don't have a problem. The lunar wrasse is not a good choice because if I remember correctly they also get very large. I'm not sure they are the best reef safe choice either. Look at some velvet wrasses or look at liveaquaria.com for some wrasse comparisons. I would switch the damsel out for something. They are aggressive as is the maroon. It will limit what other fish you can safely add in the future.

AquaReeferMan · 06/29/2007, 07:09 PM

A lot of websites recommend small tank sizes because they are just trying to sell the fish. Tangs are very active swimmers and will add a lot to your bio-load. I mean you can always get a small one and upgrade tanks in a couple of years. A six line would be better then a lunar IMO. I would also trade in the damsel. They get very aggressive once they grow up.

mr.maroonsalty · 06/29/2007, 08:53 PM

I think you have a nice list of tough guys and I think the damsel fits right in, I like my talbot's damsels even though they're not very interactive. Look at the hog I mentioned earlier its a really neat little wrasse; will it get along with the sixline? they don't look at all alike so they might but I'd likely pick one or the other for your confines. I like knowining that I have room for it should a fish come along that I can't live w/o. It is better having more room for fish, than, having more fish than room.

lucy.lou.glass · 06/30/2007, 08:24 AM

what about a fire angel rather then tang,,,, and maybe with or with out a wrasse?
and i think i will keep the damsel out of the mix for now.

bassettmd · 06/30/2007, 08:26 AM

IMO a yellow tang could be very happy in a 58 as long as you dont crowd the tank with rock. Good luck.

kevin2000 · 06/30/2007, 09:13 AM

Trade the tang in for a dwarf angel.

Sk8r · 06/30/2007, 09:19 AM

The neon goby is a cleaner, and just may be too insistent for a small tank---they can end up making a fish sore if they won't quit. And they very easily go down the downflow teeth. One problem with the yellow watchman and the tang---my own watchman seems to detest anything else yellow. I had a purple tang [yellow tail] in the tank for a while before I moved: he was cleaning up caulerpa on a loaner basis; and my ywg absolutely would not come out, whether he was terrified of the tang's size or behavior, or whether it was the yellow tail. I do know if I put a mirror near the tank, the ywg will blow a gasket trying to kill the "other fish."

lucy.lou.glass · 06/30/2007, 10:02 AM

but are dwarf angels good for reef tanks??? it sopunds like they might nip a little bit?

lucy.lou.glass · 06/30/2007, 10:19 AM

what about this line up...

yellow watchman goby
royal gramma
and a 6 line wrasse or dwarf angel (depending on feedback)

And of course the maroon (gold striped)

mr.maroonsalty · 06/30/2007, 11:00 AM

I like the first lineup better; it is very unlikely the damsel will ever be able to pick on the gsm or the six line, it would get its butt handed to him for even trying. The pygme is a hit or miss coral nipper. What are thinking about for corals.

lucy.lou.glass · 06/30/2007, 11:25 AM

well as far as corals go, my options are wide open because my brother has a harvesting tank and willingly tosses differnt things my way.. so i wouldn't really want to get any fish that would restrict my options for corals.

so do you think the first line up with or with out the tang???
maybe replace tnag with gramma?

lucy.lou.glass · 06/30/2007, 12:02 PM

also when i star tthis new tank,, i'm going to wait and ad the damsel and maroon later... should i start it out with the yellow watchman? or the wrasse? or both???

lucy.lou.glass · 06/30/2007, 02:52 PM

ok i've got just one more idea... a mandarin.... i know they are a bit sensitive, but the compatibility chart makes it seem that they would be alright with all the mentioned fishes... maybe instead of the watchman?
opinions?

Scuba_Steve · 06/30/2007, 06:39 PM

Mandarins need a very mature system unless you can get one that will eat prepared food, which is rare.

kkyyllee · 06/30/2007, 07:17 PM

they need l,ots of pods to eat, unles you find one that eats prep. foods

06/29/2007, 06:00 PM	#1
lucy.lou.glass Registered Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Milwaukee Posts: 90	fish list.. what do you think?? i'm upgrading to a 58 gallon tank. i already have a maroon clown and blue damsel that will be transfered after the others are bought and setteled. heres the wish list one yellow tang one 6 line wrasse and maybe a neon goby or yellow watchman goby. and then the maroon clown and damsel will be added any input? __________________ let's walk this sucker lucy.lou.glass Current Tank Info: 68 gallon reef tank - clam-snails-rabbitfish-bicolor blenny-maroon clown in love with a bubble tip-6line wrasse- green chromis- and corals too!!! 20 gallon soon to be frogfish tank( still reasearching the species)

06/29/2007, 06:08 PM	#2
ahullsb Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: sacramento, ca Posts: 2,729	Well hopefully the maroon will get enormous! I'm staying neutral on the tang and would highly recommend the yellow watchman. The diamond goby is cool also. I hear mixed opinions on 6 lines. Some people love them, others don't. There are some really cool fairy wrasses and anthias that I would do instead, depending on how much room you have left. Your clown and tang will get very large so keep that in mind before adding any other large fish. __________________ Andy Sacramento, CA Current Tank Info: 55 gallon reef w/20 gallon sump/ER135/ 75 pounds of live rock, 4 in sandbed, 2 b&w ocellaris clowns, yellow watchman/pistol, rosy scaled wrasse, Mystery wrasse, Copperbanded Butterfly, Lighting 48" outer orbit 2 150 mh/ 4 t5 actinics

06/29/2007, 06:39 PM	#4
lucy.lou.glass Registered Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Milwaukee Posts: 90	why do you hope the maroon will get enormous? just curious what about a lunar wrasse? i did like the fairy wrasses that i saw too though... why do you feel they are better then a six line??? i wasn't planning on adding any other larger fish after the tang and maroon... what reasons do you have for no tang???? __________________ let's walk this sucker lucy.lou.glass Current Tank Info: 68 gallon reef tank - clam-snails-rabbitfish-bicolor blenny-maroon clown in love with a bubble tip-6line wrasse- green chromis- and corals too!!! 20 gallon soon to be frogfish tank( still reasearching the species)

06/29/2007, 06:46 PM	#5
mr.maroonsalty Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: upstateny Posts: 2,504	nice mix, do them all but the tang and no more stocking w/o really good filtration. I don't know about adding a fairy or flasher with a gsm and blue damsel, let alone the hexataenia. Anouther fun fish is twin spot hog B. Bimaculatus. The neon is ify with those tankmates, maybe it will be a respected cleaner. __________________ Back from the dead! Current Tank Info: 140 dt reef

06/29/2007, 06:52 PM	#7
mr.maroonsalty Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: upstateny Posts: 2,504	You need to do the tang thing on your own, tangs and their tank size is a touchy subject. __________________ Back from the dead! Current Tank Info: 140 dt reef

06/29/2007, 06:11 PM	#3
kkyyllee Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: rescue ca Posts: 963	no tang

06/29/2007, 06:50 PM	#6
kkyyllee Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: rescue ca Posts: 963	tangs need big tanks they get around 6 inches usually and can get 8, and need a lots of swimming room, liveaquaria says 100 gallons minimum for a yellow, you might be able to get away with it in a 75 tho but it wouldnt be happy

06/29/2007, 06:56 PM	#8
lucy.lou.glass Registered Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Milwaukee Posts: 90	hmm yeah that's what it seem like.. i had read on some site that the yellow tangs had a 50 gallon minimum... thats exactly why i posted this, to get some feed back.. it seem like you can find a website to tell you anything you want to hear.. it's hard to know what's the truth.m maybe i'll skip the tang all together.... any other fish suggestions to go with the remaining fish in the mix??? __________________ let's walk this sucker lucy.lou.glass Current Tank Info: 68 gallon reef tank - clam-snails-rabbitfish-bicolor blenny-maroon clown in love with a bubble tip-6line wrasse- green chromis- and corals too!!! 20 gallon soon to be frogfish tank( still reasearching the species)

06/29/2007, 07:09 PM	#10
AquaReeferMan Got Reef? Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Under the Sea, Pa Posts: 4,593	A lot of websites recommend small tank sizes because they are just trying to sell the fish. Tangs are very active swimmers and will add a lot to your bio-load. I mean you can always get a small one and upgrade tanks in a couple of years. A six line would be better then a lunar IMO. I would also trade in the damsel. They get very aggressive once they grow up. __________________ Couple SPS/Zoanthid tanks and a couple of FW planted tanks. Current Tank Info: 5 pieces of glass with some silicone and plastic frames holding them together

06/29/2007, 08:53 PM	#11
mr.maroonsalty Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: upstateny Posts: 2,504	I think you have a nice list of tough guys and I think the damsel fits right in, I like my talbot's damsels even though they're not very interactive. Look at the hog I mentioned earlier its a really neat little wrasse; will it get along with the sixline? they don't look at all alike so they might but I'd likely pick one or the other for your confines. I like knowining that I have room for it should a fish come along that I can't live w/o. It is better having more room for fish, than, having more fish than room. __________________ Back from the dead! Current Tank Info: 140 dt reef

06/30/2007, 08:24 AM	#12
lucy.lou.glass Registered Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Milwaukee Posts: 90	what about a fire angel rather then tang,,,, and maybe with or with out a wrasse? and i think i will keep the damsel out of the mix for now. __________________ let's walk this sucker lucy.lou.glass Current Tank Info: 68 gallon reef tank - clam-snails-rabbitfish-bicolor blenny-maroon clown in love with a bubble tip-6line wrasse- green chromis- and corals too!!! 20 gallon soon to be frogfish tank( still reasearching the species)

06/30/2007, 08:26 AM	#13
bassettmd Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: NorthEast Posts: 710	IMO a yellow tang could be very happy in a 58 as long as you dont crowd the tank with rock. Good luck.

06/30/2007, 09:13 AM	#14
kevin2000 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,805	Trade the tang in for a dwarf angel.

06/30/2007, 09:19 AM	#15
Sk8r RC Mod Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Spokane WA Posts: 34,628 Blog Entries: 55	The neon goby is a cleaner, and just may be too insistent for a small tank---they can end up making a fish sore if they won't quit. And they very easily go down the downflow teeth. One problem with the yellow watchman and the tang---my own watchman seems to detest anything else yellow. I had a purple tang [yellow tail] in the tank for a while before I moved: he was cleaning up caulerpa on a loaner basis; and my ywg absolutely would not come out, whether he was terrified of the tang's size or behavior, or whether it was the yellow tail. I do know if I put a mirror near the tank, the ywg will blow a gasket trying to kill the "other fish." __________________ Sk8r Salinity 1.024-6; alkalinity 8.3-9.3 on KH scale; calcium 420; magnesium 1300, temp 78-80, nitrate .2. Ammonia 0. No filters: lps tank. Alk and cal won't rise if mg is low. Current Tank Info: 105g AquaVim wedge, yellow tang, sailfin blenny,royal gramma, ocellaris clown pair, yellow watchman, 100 microceriths, 25 tiny hermits, a 4" conch, 1" nassarius, recovering from 2 year hiatus with daily water change of 10%.

06/30/2007, 10:02 AM	#16
lucy.lou.glass Registered Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Milwaukee Posts: 90	but are dwarf angels good for reef tanks??? it sopunds like they might nip a little bit? __________________ let's walk this sucker lucy.lou.glass Current Tank Info: 68 gallon reef tank - clam-snails-rabbitfish-bicolor blenny-maroon clown in love with a bubble tip-6line wrasse- green chromis- and corals too!!! 20 gallon soon to be frogfish tank( still reasearching the species)

06/30/2007, 10:19 AM	#17
lucy.lou.glass Registered Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Milwaukee Posts: 90	what about this line up... yellow watchman goby royal gramma and a 6 line wrasse or dwarf angel (depending on feedback) And of course the maroon (gold striped) __________________ let's walk this sucker lucy.lou.glass Current Tank Info: 68 gallon reef tank - clam-snails-rabbitfish-bicolor blenny-maroon clown in love with a bubble tip-6line wrasse- green chromis- and corals too!!! 20 gallon soon to be frogfish tank( still reasearching the species)

06/30/2007, 11:00 AM	#18
mr.maroonsalty Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: upstateny Posts: 2,504	I like the first lineup better; it is very unlikely the damsel will ever be able to pick on the gsm or the six line, it would get its butt handed to him for even trying. The pygme is a hit or miss coral nipper. What are thinking about for corals. __________________ Back from the dead! Current Tank Info: 140 dt reef Last edited by mr.maroonsalty; 06/30/2007 at 11:05 AM.

06/30/2007, 11:25 AM	#19
lucy.lou.glass Registered Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Milwaukee Posts: 90	well as far as corals go, my options are wide open because my brother has a harvesting tank and willingly tosses differnt things my way.. so i wouldn't really want to get any fish that would restrict my options for corals. so do you think the first line up with or with out the tang??? maybe replace tnag with gramma? __________________ let's walk this sucker lucy.lou.glass Current Tank Info: 68 gallon reef tank - clam-snails-rabbitfish-bicolor blenny-maroon clown in love with a bubble tip-6line wrasse- green chromis- and corals too!!! 20 gallon soon to be frogfish tank( still reasearching the species)

06/30/2007, 12:02 PM	#20
lucy.lou.glass Registered Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Milwaukee Posts: 90	also when i star tthis new tank,, i'm going to wait and ad the damsel and maroon later... should i start it out with the yellow watchman? or the wrasse? or both??? __________________ let's walk this sucker lucy.lou.glass Current Tank Info: 68 gallon reef tank - clam-snails-rabbitfish-bicolor blenny-maroon clown in love with a bubble tip-6line wrasse- green chromis- and corals too!!! 20 gallon soon to be frogfish tank( still reasearching the species)

06/30/2007, 02:52 PM	#21
lucy.lou.glass Registered Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Milwaukee Posts: 90	ok i've got just one more idea... a mandarin.... i know they are a bit sensitive, but the compatibility chart makes it seem that they would be alright with all the mentioned fishes... maybe instead of the watchman? opinions? __________________ let's walk this sucker lucy.lou.glass Current Tank Info: 68 gallon reef tank - clam-snails-rabbitfish-bicolor blenny-maroon clown in love with a bubble tip-6line wrasse- green chromis- and corals too!!! 20 gallon soon to be frogfish tank( still reasearching the species) Last edited by lucy.lou.glass; 06/30/2007 at 03:04 PM.

06/30/2007, 06:39 PM	#22
Scuba_Steve Premium Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Pooler, Ga Posts: 1,342	Mandarins need a very mature system unless you can get one that will eat prepared food, which is rare. __________________ 40g DIY AIO. DT Size is 27"x18"x17" SCA-301 skimmer, DIY ATS 4"x4" 1 cube setup, Ocean Revive 120w LED, Quiet One 3000, Jager 150w TBS Rock

06/30/2007, 07:17 PM	#23
kkyyllee Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: rescue ca Posts: 963	they need l,ots of pods to eat, unles you find one that eats prep. foods