Marc Weiss - Soft Coral Grow

Gdevine · 07/24/2007, 10:04 AM

I generally don't add additives to my tank except Reef Solution and Araga Milk. A LFS sold me on buying Marc Weiss' Soft Coral Grow over the weekend.

Weiss claims that "Soft Coral Grow provides a bio-film that adheres to and enhances the coralâ€™s mucus layer. This bio-film provides an enhanced environment for increased microplankton colonization allowing soft corals ands polyps to feed themselves more efficiently from the microbes already in the aquarium or added to it".

I dosed an hour before lights out last night and the polyp extension on my neon green trumpet was huge and my cups opened up as well!

Besides the self induced hype from Weiss anyone else use this product? Experiences?

glassbox-design · 07/24/2007, 10:27 AM

weiss products may have merit, but his advertising and outrageous claims turn most people off and label them as snake oil. myself included, i would never use a weiss product. i personally would not use agramilk too, but that's just me.

it's most likely a polymer and ezyme based product used to get stimulate feedings responses....

eric

Gdevine · 07/24/2007, 10:40 AM

LOL on the snake oil comment...heard that exact line from others as well.

Why don't you like Araga Milk? Been using it for years and know of many others who use it with great results. This is a proven product from all my research...

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Originally posted by Flint&Eric
weiss products may have merit, but his advertising and outrageous claims turn most people off and label them as snake oil. myself included, i would never use a weiss product. i personally would not use agramilk too, but that's just me.

it's most likely a polymer and ezyme based product used to get stimulate feedings responses....

eric

greenbean36191 · 07/24/2007, 10:46 AM

I'm skeptical as well. This product description is pretty par for the course. The polyp extension and feeding response really isn't that convincing. As it turns out, a number of sugars, amino acids, and other organic chemicals will get you the same response regardless of how useful they actually are to the coral.

glassbox-design · 07/24/2007, 11:19 AM

this is true. e.g. you can buy b-ionic 2-part....or you can make your own randy's 2-part.

we just arent to that level yet...sugars, amino acids, and organic chemicals can be quite useful to corals if applied correctly. most dont know that application or the ratios needed for them to be useful. quite a bit of it is a mystery to all.

as for agramilk...there are many other ways and products i prefer to dose

jnc914 · 07/24/2007, 11:21 AM

I have used Weiss products in the past, including the product mentioned. I can't say if there was an actual difference in my tank after use, or at least I did not notice any per say. I got the same response from the LPS and softies in my old 90 gallon by just doing regular water changes and maintaining kalk and calcium. Now a days I don't add anything I can't measure.

Frick-n-Frags · 07/24/2007, 01:42 PM

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Originally posted by jnc914
Now a days I don't add anything I can't measure.

glassbox-design · 07/24/2007, 01:48 PM

i typically follow that same guideline, but there is some humor in it....being that our test kits our not accurate, yet we base our supplements on them.

i find i get in trouble most often when i adjust params based on numbers, rather than the animals reactions.

jmo.

bhdmc · 07/25/2007, 11:18 AM

I have use his products in the past. Saw no results and stopped using them.

machinas · 07/26/2007, 05:38 AM

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Originally posted by jnc914
Now a days I don't add anything I can't measure.

I've used his Phosphate-Silicate magnet once, didn't do anything, and then tried this coral vital with blackpowder additive. I think it contributed to this massive algae breakout I had which I'm still trying to get under control. Someone at a lfs told me that it's possible, because of all the excess nutrients...

RicksReefs · 07/26/2007, 06:01 AM

apple juice and garden dirt will cause algae almost everytime.

nsreefer · 07/26/2007, 06:22 AM

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Originally posted by RicksReefs
apple juice and garden dirt will cause algae almost everytime.

HAR HAR HAR, that's great!

machinas · 07/26/2007, 05:52 PM

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Originally posted by RicksReefs
apple juice and garden dirt will cause algae almost everytime.

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ROFL, I read the ingredients on his blackpowder cr@p.

"Ingredients-Crude protein, crude fiber, quartz, Cytokinin, yeasts'

"Derived from ferment of Citrus leaves, yeasts, animal by-products"

You aren't far off ricksreef.

RicksReefs · 07/26/2007, 07:39 PM

fancy words for compost...

07/24/2007, 10:04 AM	#1
Gdevine Premium Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Pompano Beach, FL Posts: 1,232	Marc Weiss - Soft Coral Grow I generally don't add additives to my tank except Reef Solution and Araga Milk. A LFS sold me on buying Marc Weiss' Soft Coral Grow over the weekend. Weiss claims that "Soft Coral Grow provides a bio-film that adheres to and enhances the coralâ€™s mucus layer. This bio-film provides an enhanced environment for increased microplankton colonization allowing soft corals ands polyps to feed themselves more efficiently from the microbes already in the aquarium or added to it". I dosed an hour before lights out last night and the polyp extension on my neon green trumpet was huge and my cups opened up as well! Besides the self induced hype from Weiss anyone else use this product? Experiences? __________________ What's good having a monkey if you can't play with it? Current Tank Info: 65g Mixed Reef - 35g Fuge - EcoSystem Method

07/24/2007, 10:27 AM	#2
glassbox-design Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: SF Posts: 3,041	weiss products may have merit, but his advertising and outrageous claims turn most people off and label them as snake oil. myself included, i would never use a weiss product. i personally would not use agramilk too, but that's just me. it's most likely a polymer and ezyme based product used to get stimulate feedings responses.... eric __________________ GLASSBOXDESIGN the modern reef blog LEDs are a 50,000 hr investment. Choose wisely. Current Tank Info: ...a new glassbox is coming

07/24/2007, 10:46 AM	#4
greenbean36191 Premium Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Ft. Lauderdale Posts: 10,598	I'm skeptical as well. This product description is pretty par for the course. The polyp extension and feeding response really isn't that convincing. As it turns out, a number of sugars, amino acids, and other organic chemicals will get you the same response regardless of how useful they actually are to the coral. __________________ Some say the sun rises in the East. Some say it rises in the West. The truth must be somewhere in the middle. Current Tank Info: tore them down to move and haven't had the time or money to set them back up

07/24/2007, 11:19 AM	#5
glassbox-design Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: SF Posts: 3,041	this is true. e.g. you can buy b-ionic 2-part....or you can make your own randy's 2-part. we just arent to that level yet...sugars, amino acids, and organic chemicals can be quite useful to corals if applied correctly. most dont know that application or the ratios needed for them to be useful. quite a bit of it is a mystery to all. as for agramilk...there are many other ways and products i prefer to dose __________________ GLASSBOXDESIGN the modern reef blog LEDs are a 50,000 hr investment. Choose wisely. Current Tank Info: ...a new glassbox is coming

07/24/2007, 11:21 AM	#6
jnc914 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 2,008	I have used Weiss products in the past, including the product mentioned. I can't say if there was an actual difference in my tank after use, or at least I did not notice any per say. I got the same response from the LPS and softies in my old 90 gallon by just doing regular water changes and maintaining kalk and calcium. Now a days I don't add anything I can't measure. __________________ "Great things are not accomplished by those who yield to trends and fads and popular opinion." -Jack Kerouac 13 years strictly salty Current Tank Info: 180 gallon FOWLR Angel dedicated tank

07/24/2007, 01:48 PM	#8
glassbox-design Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: SF Posts: 3,041	i typically follow that same guideline, but there is some humor in it....being that our test kits our not accurate, yet we base our supplements on them. i find i get in trouble most often when i adjust params based on numbers, rather than the animals reactions. jmo. __________________ GLASSBOXDESIGN the modern reef blog LEDs are a 50,000 hr investment. Choose wisely. Current Tank Info: ...a new glassbox is coming

07/25/2007, 11:18 AM	#9
bhdmc Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: New York Posts: 956	I have use his products in the past. Saw no results and stopped using them.

07/26/2007, 06:01 AM	#11
RicksReefs Moved On Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: In America's Dangling Junk State. Posts: 6,413	apple juice and garden dirt will cause algae almost everytime.

07/26/2007, 07:39 PM	#14
RicksReefs Moved On Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: In America's Dangling Junk State. Posts: 6,413	fancy words for compost...