Bubbles forming from new Lighting???

cabbage0709 · 07/31/2007, 08:31 AM

Since i got my new 70w MH hooked up to my 12g AP....ive started noticing bubbles forming on a few of my rocks. Also they float around the surface and cling to my flow nozzles. The reason i think its because of my light is when i get home from work i can see all the bubbles on there. (i turn my lights on while at work, 10hrs) But when i wake up in the morning i notice that there are little or none at all. (I shut my lights off at night) So what the heck is this stuff? Anyone know? Beneficial / bad and what can i do?

-Sven

der_wille_zur_macht · 07/31/2007, 08:36 AM

It's probably various gasses being produced by photosynthetic organisms (algae) making use of the new light.

Watch your tank for a few days, my guess is the bubbles will go away after a few days. Raise the new light up above the tank a bit to reduce the intensity, if you can - then slowly lower it down over a period of a few days or weeks.

How old is the tank? What else can you tell us about it? What was on it previously for lighting?

reelsteel · 07/31/2007, 08:46 AM

Do you have a sump, is your tank drilled or using overflows. Give us some info on how your water circulation. Your new lights may cause some red slime which will produce gas bubbles. Do what d_w_z_m said raise your lights or get some screen door screen and put between your lights and tank.

cabbage0709 · 07/31/2007, 09:02 AM

My tank has been up for almost 2 months. I first started a 30 gallon, it cycled, then i downsized and moved into a 12 gallon Aquapod. Before i had stock lighting. The light sits about 6-8 inches off the surface. The sump in the back doesnt look like it circulates that well for some reason because the surface water on the back (sump area) doesnt appear to be moving that well. As for in my display...i have my flow nozzles pushing the water around. I have my water filled up to about 1cm below the max fill line. Which is about 1/2 inch below the back overflow wall. Let me know if you need anymore info. Thanks for the help! I think i might try the screen door cover because ill need it in the future for my goby. In the tank i have 8-10 blue dwarf crabs...3 zombie snails(name?)...3 turbos...1 big bertha...3 glass cleaners....margarita....bumblebee...and i have one clown and an anemone. I also have a few frags of shrooms and trumpet coral.

der_wille_zur_macht · 07/31/2007, 09:20 AM

Sounds like your tank is pretty young. What species of anemone do you have?

reelsteel · 07/31/2007, 10:21 AM

What type of substrate do you have? Sounds like what d_w_z_m said, it's probably gas exhange ,since it doesn't sound like your retun pump is creating any bubles. I have a 24g aquapod for my seahorses, I ended up putting in a powersweeper power head and I put a hydor flow on my return to get some different circulation going. The overflow doesn't work all that good on getting the scum off the top of the water.

cabbage0709 · 07/31/2007, 10:28 AM

I have a green bta...and my substrate is just regular sand that i know of. It has a little bit of crushed coral but its not that dense. I got the sand from another reefer. I know that i shouldnt have the Bta in there for another 4 months but hes been doing perfectly fine since hes been in there (almost 2 weeks)

reelsteel · 07/31/2007, 11:04 AM

You may want to get some extra flow in there for the BTA. Are you planning on a clown or 2 for it? BTA's do a lot better with a clown.

cabbage0709 · 07/31/2007, 11:15 AM

I have one clown in there right now...the other is currently ill and i believe that he is not going to make it

I created a thread about it in the Anem / Clown forums. I had the BTA directly in my flow to begin with but he moved out of it within the first night. I figured i would let him move wherever he thought it to be the most comfortable. So right now hes actually right above where my return nozzles are flowing in the right top corner of my tank.

the clowns however have no began to host.

reelsteel · 07/31/2007, 11:20 AM

If you look into one of those hydor flows($5-$10), it creates different flow patterns and fits right on your return. The BTA's don't like a steady stream on them. What is wrong with your other clown?

cabbage0709 · 07/31/2007, 11:52 AM

Since last saturday he has been laying on the substrate quite a bit and barely swimming at all. Sometimes hell lay on his side and his breathing looks pretty bad. This morning i noticed that he wasnt moving at all but he was breathing still...so i took him out in an effort to 'just do something' and put him in a container with 1/4 tank water and the rest fresh r/o water. (Hyposalinity?) I dont know if this will help him or not but i wanted to try and do SOMETHING you know? also he hasnt eaten at all from what i have seen and his gills are starting to look pale. You have any idea whats going on? The other clown is perfectly fine.

reelsteel · 07/31/2007, 12:01 PM

No visible funk on his scales? Not sure if Hypo is such a good idea on a fish that is having trouble breathing. Did you put something in the container like a Power head of airstone?

cabbage0709 · 07/31/2007, 12:37 PM

Heres a pic of the little guy. This was taken 2 days ago. And no...he is just in a plastic Gladware container without the lid...sitting next to the tank

cabbage0709 · 07/31/2007, 12:40 PM

And here are the pics of my lighting...

cabbage0709 · 07/31/2007, 12:42 PM

Just for the hell of it...heres my stock besides the bta and clowns

cabbage0709 · 07/31/2007, 12:44 PM

I need another actinic...thats why everything looks whited out.

reelsteel · 07/31/2007, 12:52 PM

Work blocks all the nice pictures everyone puts out there. I would put an air line in the container(without an airstone). Did you already look through here?
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh...threadid=46871

cabbage0709 · 07/31/2007, 01:01 PM

I looked through that like you suggested and it looks like it might be an internal parasite...im going to go home and check him out...it seems like i did the right thing by putting him in hypo because they recommended it on one of the posts similar to my case. However i am broke, so ill just have to see what i can do once i get home to check on him. I hope i havent diagnosed this too late :X If its any consolation to myself, he was free and from a bad environment with brackish fish. But i dont think that puts my mind at ease

reelsteel · 07/31/2007, 01:09 PM

Somethings just happen, even though it stinks. You never know those buggers are pretty tough. When you do hypo, the fish can handle going down better than they do going back up, so if you go low you have to take your time going back up.

cabbage0709 · 07/31/2007, 01:28 PM

Alright. I appreciate your help and sticking with the thread and all. *crosses fingers*

-Sven

07/31/2007, 08:31 AM	#1
cabbage0709 Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Indiana Posts: 264	Bubbles forming from new Lighting??? Since i got my new 70w MH hooked up to my 12g AP....ive started noticing bubbles forming on a few of my rocks. Also they float around the surface and cling to my flow nozzles. The reason i think its because of my light is when i get home from work i can see all the bubbles on there. (i turn my lights on while at work, 10hrs) But when i wake up in the morning i notice that there are little or none at all. (I shut my lights off at night) So what the heck is this stuff? Anyone know? Beneficial / bad and what can i do? -Sven __________________ Get busy living, or get busy dying - Andy Dufresne (Shawshank Redemption)

07/31/2007, 08:36 AM	#2
der_wille_zur_macht Team RC Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: NY Posts: 17,749	It's probably various gasses being produced by photosynthetic organisms (algae) making use of the new light. Watch your tank for a few days, my guess is the bubbles will go away after a few days. Raise the new light up above the tank a bit to reduce the intensity, if you can - then slowly lower it down over a period of a few days or weeks. How old is the tank? What else can you tell us about it? What was on it previously for lighting? __________________ Inconveniencing marine life since 1992 "It is my personal belief that reef aquaria should be thriving communities of biodiversity, representative of their wild counterparts, and not merely collections of pretty specimens growing on tidy clean rock shelves covered in purple coralline algae." (Eric Borneman)

07/31/2007, 09:02 AM	#4
cabbage0709 Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Indiana Posts: 264	My tank has been up for almost 2 months. I first started a 30 gallon, it cycled, then i downsized and moved into a 12 gallon Aquapod. Before i had stock lighting. The light sits about 6-8 inches off the surface. The sump in the back doesnt look like it circulates that well for some reason because the surface water on the back (sump area) doesnt appear to be moving that well. As for in my display...i have my flow nozzles pushing the water around. I have my water filled up to about 1cm below the max fill line. Which is about 1/2 inch below the back overflow wall. Let me know if you need anymore info. Thanks for the help! I think i might try the screen door cover because ill need it in the future for my goby. In the tank i have 8-10 blue dwarf crabs...3 zombie snails(name?)...3 turbos...1 big bertha...3 glass cleaners....margarita....bumblebee...and i have one clown and an anemone. I also have a few frags of shrooms and trumpet coral. __________________ Get busy living, or get busy dying - Andy Dufresne (Shawshank Redemption)

07/31/2007, 09:20 AM	#5
der_wille_zur_macht Team RC Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: NY Posts: 17,749	Sounds like your tank is pretty young. What species of anemone do you have? __________________ Inconveniencing marine life since 1992 "It is my personal belief that reef aquaria should be thriving communities of biodiversity, representative of their wild counterparts, and not merely collections of pretty specimens growing on tidy clean rock shelves covered in purple coralline algae." (Eric Borneman)

07/31/2007, 10:28 AM	#7
cabbage0709 Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Indiana Posts: 264	Anemone I have a green bta...and my substrate is just regular sand that i know of. It has a little bit of crushed coral but its not that dense. I got the sand from another reefer. I know that i shouldnt have the Bta in there for another 4 months but hes been doing perfectly fine since hes been in there (almost 2 weeks) __________________ Get busy living, or get busy dying - Andy Dufresne (Shawshank Redemption)

07/31/2007, 08:46 AM	#3
reelsteel Registered Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Southern Maryland Posts: 73	Do you have a sump, is your tank drilled or using overflows. Give us some info on how your water circulation. Your new lights may cause some red slime which will produce gas bubbles. Do what d_w_z_m said raise your lights or get some screen door screen and put between your lights and tank.

07/31/2007, 10:21 AM	#6
reelsteel Registered Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Southern Maryland Posts: 73	What type of substrate do you have? Sounds like what d_w_z_m said, it's probably gas exhange ,since it doesn't sound like your retun pump is creating any bubles. I have a 24g aquapod for my seahorses, I ended up putting in a powersweeper power head and I put a hydor flow on my return to get some different circulation going. The overflow doesn't work all that good on getting the scum off the top of the water.

07/31/2007, 11:04 AM	#8
reelsteel Registered Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Southern Maryland Posts: 73	You may want to get some extra flow in there for the BTA. Are you planning on a clown or 2 for it? BTA's do a lot better with a clown.

07/31/2007, 11:15 AM	#9
cabbage0709 Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Indiana Posts: 264	I have one clown in there right now...the other is currently ill and i believe that he is not going to make it I created a thread about it in the Anem / Clown forums. I had the BTA directly in my flow to begin with but he moved out of it within the first night. I figured i would let him move wherever he thought it to be the most comfortable. So right now hes actually right above where my return nozzles are flowing in the right top corner of my tank. the clowns however have no began to host. __________________ Get busy living, or get busy dying - Andy Dufresne (Shawshank Redemption)

07/31/2007, 11:20 AM	#10
reelsteel Registered Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Southern Maryland Posts: 73	If you look into one of those hydor flows($5-$10), it creates different flow patterns and fits right on your return. The BTA's don't like a steady stream on them. What is wrong with your other clown?

07/31/2007, 11:52 AM	#11
cabbage0709 Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Indiana Posts: 264	Since last saturday he has been laying on the substrate quite a bit and barely swimming at all. Sometimes hell lay on his side and his breathing looks pretty bad. This morning i noticed that he wasnt moving at all but he was breathing still...so i took him out in an effort to 'just do something' and put him in a container with 1/4 tank water and the rest fresh r/o water. (Hyposalinity?) I dont know if this will help him or not but i wanted to try and do SOMETHING you know? also he hasnt eaten at all from what i have seen and his gills are starting to look pale. You have any idea whats going on? The other clown is perfectly fine. __________________ Get busy living, or get busy dying - Andy Dufresne (Shawshank Redemption)

07/31/2007, 12:01 PM	#12
reelsteel Registered Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Southern Maryland Posts: 73	No visible funk on his scales? Not sure if Hypo is such a good idea on a fish that is having trouble breathing. Did you put something in the container like a Power head of airstone?

07/31/2007, 12:37 PM	#13
cabbage0709 Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Indiana Posts: 264	Heres a pic of the little guy. This was taken 2 days ago. And no...he is just in a plastic Gladware container without the lid...sitting next to the tank __________________ Get busy living, or get busy dying - Andy Dufresne (Shawshank Redemption)

07/31/2007, 12:40 PM	#14
cabbage0709 Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Indiana Posts: 264	And here are the pics of my lighting... __________________ Get busy living, or get busy dying - Andy Dufresne (Shawshank Redemption)

07/31/2007, 12:42 PM	#15
cabbage0709 Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Indiana Posts: 264	Just for the hell of it...heres my stock besides the bta and clowns __________________ Get busy living, or get busy dying - Andy Dufresne (Shawshank Redemption)

07/31/2007, 12:44 PM	#16
cabbage0709 Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Indiana Posts: 264	I need another actinic...thats why everything looks whited out. __________________ Get busy living, or get busy dying - Andy Dufresne (Shawshank Redemption)

07/31/2007, 12:52 PM	#17
reelsteel Registered Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Southern Maryland Posts: 73	Work blocks all the nice pictures everyone puts out there. I would put an air line in the container(without an airstone). Did you already look through here? http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh...threadid=46871

07/31/2007, 01:01 PM	#18
cabbage0709 Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Indiana Posts: 264	I looked through that like you suggested and it looks like it might be an internal parasite...im going to go home and check him out...it seems like i did the right thing by putting him in hypo because they recommended it on one of the posts similar to my case. However i am broke, so ill just have to see what i can do once i get home to check on him. I hope i havent diagnosed this too late :X If its any consolation to myself, he was free and from a bad environment with brackish fish. But i dont think that puts my mind at ease __________________ Get busy living, or get busy dying - Andy Dufresne (Shawshank Redemption)

07/31/2007, 01:09 PM	#19
reelsteel Registered Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Southern Maryland Posts: 73	Somethings just happen, even though it stinks. You never know those buggers are pretty tough. When you do hypo, the fish can handle going down better than they do going back up, so if you go low you have to take your time going back up.

07/31/2007, 01:28 PM	#20
cabbage0709 Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Indiana Posts: 264	Alright. I appreciate your help and sticking with the thread and all. crosses fingers -Sven __________________ Get busy living, or get busy dying - Andy Dufresne (Shawshank Redemption)