Plumbed my sump today **PICS**

MrRoo · 04/16/2008, 09:48 PM

Return:

Special thanks to Capn and TSwifty for helping with all my sump questions and plumbing!

I had to mount some wood to the stand so I can mount the Super Skimmer externally and still be able to remove the cup. I still need to get more water tomorrow and test it all but as far as plumbing it is good to go. I do have a couple questions though:

Should I put a ball valve on the inlet pipe?
Should I divert some water from the inlet pipe directly to the fuge area?

BLKTANG · 04/16/2008, 09:50 PM

Nice job.

Aquarist007 · 04/16/2008, 09:56 PM

nice job Mr Roo now could you repost in the refugium macro thread:

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh...readid=1349443

and thanks for the kudos

BeesGoneWild · 04/16/2008, 09:57 PM

Looking good.

Konadog · 04/16/2008, 10:06 PM

I have a question, the picture you have labeled "Inlet," is that just a siphon? If so, when the siphon is broken, what happens? Also, if it is a direct siphon to your sump, you have no surface skimming. This will eventually lead to an oil slick forming on the top of the water.

MrRoo · 04/16/2008, 10:07 PM

Sorry I meant to say return. I have a HOB overflow for inlet.

Konadog · 04/16/2008, 10:20 PM

Much better.

What size Eheim pump is that and how much flow is blasted straight down? You might put a 45Â° elbow on the end if its a problem.

Nice work for such a tight space!

MrRoo · 04/16/2008, 10:25 PM

Yea I am thinking about putting a pipe with holes drilled for flow. The pump is a eheim 1260 (635gph) and my overflow is 300gph.

I used as much space as posible! The tank is 12" wide and I have exactly 12" of space and I only have 1.5" of space on 1 end of the tank and 0 on the other. I wanted to go as big as I could which was 29 gallons.

Konadog · 04/16/2008, 10:34 PM

Are you able to run the return wide open. If not, I would Tee off of the return line back to the sump, and put your valve on that line. This way you use 100% of the pump, and return the water you can't use to the sump. Restricting the pump flow can cause overheating and premature wear.

Man, that's one tight fit!

MrRoo · 04/16/2008, 10:56 PM

I have no idea since I do not have enough water yet to run the system. I will fill the sump up tomorrow but then I will have to plug in the heater and let it get up to temp before I an run the system. I don't want to pump 60* water into my tank it may drop my temp too much. I also want to slowly add LR ruble, just a few lbs a week.

Yea the fit is tight lol. I put the sump in dry, then I tried to take it out and I couldn't get it out lol. To get it in I had to nudge the corners a lot.

kayne_21 · 04/17/2008, 12:25 AM

This may come to be an issue with pump maint (cleaning and what not). I did the same thing and I can already see issues with it.

Putting in a union would probably be a good idea for easy removal.

Playa-1 · 04/17/2008, 03:31 AM

I agree with Kayne. Get a quick disconnect style union inplace so that you can take the pump out if necessary. It will be easier before the system is set up and running.

Tswifty · 04/17/2008, 08:40 AM

Looks good... I agree with the union, like I showed you in my pic. It makes maintenance much easier.

Also, I agree with the 90 degree outlet on the return line in the tank. This will help produce great flow across the top of your tank.

Lastly, You may want to add some type of support system for your return line to lock it in place. The pictures on your thread didn't load up for me today for some reason, and I am having trouble remembering what everything looked like.

I have some pictures on my thread, but I just did a real simple support on my 55g that I can take a picture of when I get back from NC.

Aquarist007 · 04/17/2008, 08:46 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Konadog
Are you able to run the return wide open. If not, I would Tee off of the return line back to the sump, and put your valve on that line. This way you use 100% of the pump, and return the water you can't use to the sump. Restricting the pump flow can cause overheating and premature wear.

Man, that's one tight fit!

I already suggested that also in the macro/refugium thread--esp with running a refugium--he needs to t off the drain line and add a ball valve so the flow to the refugium can be controlled

the drainage is really a factor of physics---eg a one inch pipe will max out by gravity at 600 gph
There for a ball valve is essentail on the return line after the pump to control the level of the water in the tank and sump

Tswifty · 04/17/2008, 08:47 AM

Here's some before/after flow pictures from my 90g tank.

Flow with 45 degree elbow

Flow with 90 degree elbow

Also you may want to install a syphon break hole to prevent water from back syphoning down the return line if the power would go out.

MrRoo · 04/17/2008, 09:56 AM

Thanks for the pics and info! I will get that fixed today. I have an extra ball valve so I will that and cut the inlet pipe and put a T to the refug area.

Aquarist007 · 04/17/2008, 10:18 AM

great--very smart move--keep us posted with the pics

MrRoo · 04/17/2008, 02:25 PM

Ok so this morning I split the inlet to direct some flow to the fuge with a ball valve on it. I also put a piece of PVC the width of the tank with holes drilled to direct flow in the fuge. I still have to drill the siphon hole on the return and after I do that I will post more pics.

Again thanks for the help!

MrRoo · 04/17/2008, 10:44 PM

The tank now:

Sump/Refug:

My Flow:

How much my skimmer has got in 5 hours!

Refug Inlet for flow:

04/16/2008, 09:48 PM	#1
MrRoo Moved On Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Alta Loma, CA Posts: 629	Plumbed my sump today PICS Return: Special thanks to Capn and TSwifty for helping with all my sump questions and plumbing! I had to mount some wood to the stand so I can mount the Super Skimmer externally and still be able to remove the cup. I still need to get more water tomorrow and test it all but as far as plumbing it is good to go. I do have a couple questions though: Should I put a ball valve on the inlet pipe? Should I divert some water from the inlet pipe directly to the fuge area? Last edited by MrRoo; 04/16/2008 at 10:08 PM.

04/16/2008, 09:50 PM	#2
BLKTANG Registered Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Never,Never Land Posts: 7,061	Nice job. __________________ We the few have done so much,for so long,for so little.That we are now qualified to do anything with nothing. ____________________________________________________________________________ Current Tank Info: RR 90 Maganvore sump,250w Hamilton fixture,VorTec's ASM skimmer.

04/16/2008, 09:56 PM	#3
Aquarist007 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Hamilton, Canada Posts: 28,240 Blog Entries: 1	nice job Mr Roo now could you repost in the refugium macro thread: http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh...readid=1349443 and thanks for the kudos __________________ I prefer my substrates stirred but not shaken Current Tank Info: 150gal long mixed reef, 90gal sump, 60 gal refugium with 200 lbs live rock

04/16/2008, 10:06 PM	#5
Konadog Master of the 16 hour day Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: East Long Beach, So Cal Posts: 13,151 Blog Entries: 4	I have a question, the picture you have labeled "Inlet," is that just a siphon? If so, when the siphon is broken, what happens? Also, if it is a direct siphon to your sump, you have no surface skimming. This will eventually lead to an oil slick forming on the top of the water. __________________ Save the Reefs................................................................Save the world! -Ken Current Tank Info: Currently tankless, and loving it!

04/16/2008, 10:20 PM	#7
Konadog Master of the 16 hour day Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: East Long Beach, So Cal Posts: 13,151 Blog Entries: 4	Much better. What size Eheim pump is that and how much flow is blasted straight down? You might put a 45Â° elbow on the end if its a problem. Nice work for such a tight space! __________________ Save the Reefs................................................................Save the world! -Ken Current Tank Info: Currently tankless, and loving it!

04/16/2008, 09:57 PM	#4
BeesGoneWild Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: North Eastern Pennsylvannia Posts: 1,064	Looking good.

04/16/2008, 10:07 PM	#6
MrRoo Moved On Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Alta Loma, CA Posts: 629	Sorry I meant to say return. I have a HOB overflow for inlet.

04/16/2008, 10:25 PM	#8
MrRoo Moved On Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Alta Loma, CA Posts: 629	Yea I am thinking about putting a pipe with holes drilled for flow. The pump is a eheim 1260 (635gph) and my overflow is 300gph. I used as much space as posible! The tank is 12" wide and I have exactly 12" of space and I only have 1.5" of space on 1 end of the tank and 0 on the other. I wanted to go as big as I could which was 29 gallons.

04/16/2008, 10:34 PM	#9
Konadog Master of the 16 hour day Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: East Long Beach, So Cal Posts: 13,151 Blog Entries: 4	Are you able to run the return wide open. If not, I would Tee off of the return line back to the sump, and put your valve on that line. This way you use 100% of the pump, and return the water you can't use to the sump. Restricting the pump flow can cause overheating and premature wear. Man, that's one tight fit! __________________ Save the Reefs................................................................Save the world! -Ken Current Tank Info: Currently tankless, and loving it!

04/16/2008, 10:56 PM	#10
MrRoo Moved On Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Alta Loma, CA Posts: 629	I have no idea since I do not have enough water yet to run the system. I will fill the sump up tomorrow but then I will have to plug in the heater and let it get up to temp before I an run the system. I don't want to pump 60* water into my tank it may drop my temp too much. I also want to slowly add LR ruble, just a few lbs a week. Yea the fit is tight lol. I put the sump in dry, then I tried to take it out and I couldn't get it out lol. To get it in I had to nudge the corners a lot.

04/17/2008, 12:25 AM	#11
kayne_21 Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Milwaukee Posts: 209	This may come to be an issue with pump maint (cleaning and what not). I did the same thing and I can already see issues with it. Putting in a union would probably be a good idea for easy removal.

04/17/2008, 03:31 AM	#12
Playa-1 Moved On Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Laguna Niguel, CA Posts: 7,497	I agree with Kayne. Get a quick disconnect style union inplace so that you can take the pump out if necessary. It will be easier before the system is set up and running.

04/17/2008, 08:40 AM	#13
Tswifty Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: PA Posts: 14,022	Looks good... I agree with the union, like I showed you in my pic. It makes maintenance much easier. Also, I agree with the 90 degree outlet on the return line in the tank. This will help produce great flow across the top of your tank. Lastly, You may want to add some type of support system for your return line to lock it in place. The pictures on your thread didn't load up for me today for some reason, and I am having trouble remembering what everything looked like. I have some pictures on my thread, but I just did a real simple support on my 55g that I can take a picture of when I get back from NC. __________________ "Enough light? Heck I could go barebottom and grow SPS in the stand!" - DiscoReefRover

04/17/2008, 08:47 AM	#15
Tswifty Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: PA Posts: 14,022	Here's some before/after flow pictures from my 90g tank. Flow with 45 degree elbow Flow with 90 degree elbow Also you may want to install a syphon break hole to prevent water from back syphoning down the return line if the power would go out. __________________ "Enough light? Heck I could go barebottom and grow SPS in the stand!" - DiscoReefRover

04/17/2008, 09:56 AM	#16
MrRoo Moved On Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Alta Loma, CA Posts: 629	Thanks for the pics and info! I will get that fixed today. I have an extra ball valve so I will that and cut the inlet pipe and put a T to the refug area.

04/17/2008, 10:18 AM	#17
Aquarist007 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Hamilton, Canada Posts: 28,240 Blog Entries: 1	great--very smart move--keep us posted with the pics __________________ I prefer my substrates stirred but not shaken Current Tank Info: 150gal long mixed reef, 90gal sump, 60 gal refugium with 200 lbs live rock

04/17/2008, 02:25 PM	#18
MrRoo Moved On Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Alta Loma, CA Posts: 629	Ok so this morning I split the inlet to direct some flow to the fuge with a ball valve on it. I also put a piece of PVC the width of the tank with holes drilled to direct flow in the fuge. I still have to drill the siphon hole on the return and after I do that I will post more pics. Again thanks for the help!

04/17/2008, 10:44 PM	#19
MrRoo Moved On Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Alta Loma, CA Posts: 629	The tank now: Sump/Refug: My Flow: How much my skimmer has got in 5 hours! Refug Inlet for flow: