Sick fish - what are these????

chrissreef · 08/20/2008, 06:43 PM

I've described this b4 on RC with no replies. The tank has had Cuppramin AND Prazipro in it. 3 LFS's had no clue... so I added the fish (tang) into the display tank as they didn't appear to bother him and were small (everyone said they were scratches). He is doing fine.

NOW, I add a Powder Blue Tang and Tomini tang into the same 55QT and pump the Cupramin up to 6.0... 2.5 weeks later and...

PBT now he has the same "thing" on his eyes, except they are MUCH larger than the fish I added to the display tank. The "tail" end doesn't appear to move based on the direction the fish is swimming. It is white/gray/clear looking.

Tomini has cloudy eyes and a few of these "things" appearing on his body (they could be something different - they are "white/clear in color and move based on the direction the fish is moving which is different than the PBT). He came from another reefer's display tank.

What is this or how do I get rid of them?? Thanks!

Billybeau1 · 08/20/2008, 07:01 PM

Pretty hard to see from the picture but my first guess from your description would be flukes.

chrissreef · 08/20/2008, 07:07 PM

I thought you can't see flukes? and that they're more fo a gill thing?

I added a second angle to it. Sorry it's such a bad image, no photo editors on this PC =(

chrissreef · 08/20/2008, 09:36 PM

Did a FW dip... seems to have stressed the Tomini out a lot... a lot fell off in the water, but a lot is still on including the ones on the eyes. I hope the Tomini pulls through, I'm really curious on what this is though since Cupramin isn't doing anything. hmmm

black_majik · 08/20/2008, 09:39 PM

Parasitic Isopod.

Pic:

http://ipath.blogs.com/photos/uncate...b600x400_1.jpg

Info:

http://www.tolweb.org/Isopoda

http://www.reefs.org/library/article/clarke_shimek.html

Has for removal forceps or tweezers for the ones on the body. The eyes are tricky i have heard if you heat up a need and TOUCH THE ISOPOD it will let go immediately. I have no personal experience.

Good Luck

Nick

chrissreef · 08/20/2008, 10:04 PM

R u sure theyr'e isopods? They're all over the body of the tomini... not just the eye of the PBT - and Cupramin isn't touching them. FW dip mad a lot of the body ones come off... hmmm

black_majik · 08/20/2008, 11:28 PM

Yep all points towards isopods. Invertebrates cannot handle changes in the the water so that would help. I am roughly 97 % sure those are isopods. Did you look at my pic? Yeah I noticed the tomini and that is bad. That shows they are multiplying were the fish infected in the display tank? If so you may need to go fishless for about 3 months to starve out the isopods. Very rough stuff.

chrissreef · 08/21/2008, 09:32 AM

DT fish appear fine... one of the tangs has 2 small things on his eyes but they're microscopic, nothing like what's in this QT tank.

Why isn't the cupramin killing the isopods since they're inverts?

vt4lifecuf · 08/21/2008, 09:32 AM

thats gross

black_majik · 08/21/2008, 11:17 AM

Cupramin is a very hard regime to do. There is a possibility you may maybe doing it wrong. I would try Red Sea's Copper treatment, but the issue with copper in general are the sensibility tangs. If you can start a osmotic shock therapy or hypo-salinity treatment they work amazingly:

http://atj.net.au/marineaquaria/hyposalinity.html

Aside from that keep an eye on that other tang in the DT those things could be babies.

08/20/2008, 06:43 PM	#1
chrissreef Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Dallas Posts: 1,252	Sick fish - what are these???? I've described this b4 on RC with no replies. The tank has had Cuppramin AND Prazipro in it. 3 LFS's had no clue... so I added the fish (tang) into the display tank as they didn't appear to bother him and were small (everyone said they were scratches). He is doing fine. NOW, I add a Powder Blue Tang and Tomini tang into the same 55QT and pump the Cupramin up to 6.0... 2.5 weeks later and... PBT now he has the same "thing" on his eyes, except they are MUCH larger than the fish I added to the display tank. The "tail" end doesn't appear to move based on the direction the fish is swimming. It is white/gray/clear looking. Tomini has cloudy eyes and a few of these "things" appearing on his body (they could be something different - they are "white/clear in color and move based on the direction the fish is moving which is different than the PBT). He came from another reefer's display tank. What is this or how do I get rid of them?? Thanks! __________________ One's standard of living is determined by the size of their reef Learn and you continue to adapt, stop learning and you become obsolete We live with each other, not for ourselves, protect our planet Current Tank Info: 300g Starfire/Starboard A.G.E. mixed reef

08/20/2008, 07:07 PM	#3
chrissreef Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Dallas Posts: 1,252	I thought you can't see flukes? and that they're more fo a gill thing? I added a second angle to it. Sorry it's such a bad image, no photo editors on this PC =( __________________ One's standard of living is determined by the size of their reef Learn and you continue to adapt, stop learning and you become obsolete We live with each other, not for ourselves, protect our planet Current Tank Info: 300g Starfire/Starboard A.G.E. mixed reef

08/20/2008, 09:36 PM	#4
chrissreef Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Dallas Posts: 1,252	Did a FW dip... seems to have stressed the Tomini out a lot... a lot fell off in the water, but a lot is still on including the ones on the eyes. I hope the Tomini pulls through, I'm really curious on what this is though since Cupramin isn't doing anything. hmmm __________________ One's standard of living is determined by the size of their reef Learn and you continue to adapt, stop learning and you become obsolete We live with each other, not for ourselves, protect our planet Current Tank Info: 300g Starfire/Starboard A.G.E. mixed reef

08/20/2008, 09:39 PM	#5
black_majik Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 848	Parasitic Isopod. Pic: http://ipath.blogs.com/photos/uncate...b600x400_1.jpg Info: http://www.tolweb.org/Isopoda http://www.reefs.org/library/article/clarke_shimek.html Has for removal forceps or tweezers for the ones on the body. The eyes are tricky i have heard if you heat up a need and TOUCH THE ISOPOD it will let go immediately. I have no personal experience. Good Luck Nick __________________ Finding Nemo: The most effective method of killing tropical marine fish. Current Tank Info: A couple: A 75 about to get a makeover, 20g Fish Holding Tank, 12g Reef W/ Anemones and yes Uncle Frosby they are indeed mushrooms. Last edited by black_majik; 08/20/2008 at 09:50 PM.

08/20/2008, 10:04 PM	#6
chrissreef Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Dallas Posts: 1,252	R u sure theyr'e isopods? They're all over the body of the tomini... not just the eye of the PBT - and Cupramin isn't touching them. FW dip mad a lot of the body ones come off... hmmm __________________ One's standard of living is determined by the size of their reef Learn and you continue to adapt, stop learning and you become obsolete We live with each other, not for ourselves, protect our planet Current Tank Info: 300g Starfire/Starboard A.G.E. mixed reef

08/20/2008, 07:01 PM	#2
Billybeau1 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Dyer, Indiana Posts: 12,010	Pretty hard to see from the picture but my first guess from your description would be flukes.

08/20/2008, 11:28 PM	#7
black_majik Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 848	Yep all points towards isopods. Invertebrates cannot handle changes in the the water so that would help. I am roughly 97 % sure those are isopods. Did you look at my pic? Yeah I noticed the tomini and that is bad. That shows they are multiplying were the fish infected in the display tank? If so you may need to go fishless for about 3 months to starve out the isopods. Very rough stuff. __________________ Finding Nemo: The most effective method of killing tropical marine fish. Current Tank Info: A couple: A 75 about to get a makeover, 20g Fish Holding Tank, 12g Reef W/ Anemones and yes Uncle Frosby they are indeed mushrooms.

08/21/2008, 09:32 AM	#8
chrissreef Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Dallas Posts: 1,252	DT fish appear fine... one of the tangs has 2 small things on his eyes but they're microscopic, nothing like what's in this QT tank. Why isn't the cupramin killing the isopods since they're inverts? __________________ One's standard of living is determined by the size of their reef Learn and you continue to adapt, stop learning and you become obsolete We live with each other, not for ourselves, protect our planet Current Tank Info: 300g Starfire/Starboard A.G.E. mixed reef

08/21/2008, 09:32 AM	#9
vt4lifecuf Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 37	thats gross

08/21/2008, 11:17 AM	#10
black_majik Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 848	Cupramin is a very hard regime to do. There is a possibility you may maybe doing it wrong. I would try Red Sea's Copper treatment, but the issue with copper in general are the sensibility tangs. If you can start a osmotic shock therapy or hypo-salinity treatment they work amazingly: http://atj.net.au/marineaquaria/hyposalinity.html Aside from that keep an eye on that other tang in the DT those things could be babies. __________________ Finding Nemo: The most effective method of killing tropical marine fish. Current Tank Info: A couple: A 75 about to get a makeover, 20g Fish Holding Tank, 12g Reef W/ Anemones and yes Uncle Frosby they are indeed mushrooms.