plumbing problem HELP?!(PICTURES)

alextheromanian · 02/08/2009, 06:15 PM

re-built the 29g tank i tried to clean up everything and install a decent drain ssystem that doesnt gurgle and at the same time improve the water flow and make it more random but im afraid i failed miserably at it ...atleast the return part of it.

information id like to state beforehand is.
-29g tank
-20g sump
-6 feet of head pressure but the current repositioning of the pump is only 5
-pump is quietone3000

problems:
-pump does not suck water trough the intake pipe ive built for it.

-when i pour water into the intake pipe it barely drips out water at the top.(pump was previously set up as in-sump with 6 feet instead of 5 and it had too much flow for the drain to keep up with so it obviously has the power)

HERE IT IS:

placed pump on top of sump with 3/4 output and 1" input pipe

5 feet of head pressure and it reaches the top splitting two ways around the top of the display tank

5 drain lines ...1 will be positioned to shoot at the surface to lose suction incase of power failiure.

any help or ideas would be great!
let me know if i forgot anything

alextheromanian · 02/08/2009, 06:18 PM

ps i know the standpipes dont have a drilled top cap that was another thing i wanted to ask about...dont quite know how bit i should make it.

Chris&Mel · 02/08/2009, 06:28 PM

Well, I'm not a pump expert, but my first thought is that the pump has to be lower then the water....or have some method of priming it were it is

alextheromanian · 02/08/2009, 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Chris&Mel
Well, I'm not a pump expert, but my first thought is that the pump has to be lower then the water....or have some method of priming it were it is

awwwwww man i never thought of that...
i placed it there for easy access im sp space challenged and i wanted it out of the sump since in the sump it would raise the temperature...never had a temp problem but i wanted it out...

guess i have to make a sacrifice.

thank you.

any other ideas opinnions?

600k4 · 02/08/2009, 06:48 PM

If you weren't space challenged I would say to have a hole drilled in the side of the sump and get a bulkhead...

600k4 · 02/08/2009, 06:49 PM

quick disconnects help if you have to change pumps too.

600k4 · 02/08/2009, 06:51 PM

btw, very nice work on your plumbing. I hope you get it working soon

nikon187 · 02/08/2009, 06:56 PM

yeah the pump being on top of the sump there is no way for it to stay primed

alextheromanian · 02/08/2009, 06:59 PM

thank you so much i just got an idea....if i place the pup under the spill holes....i have room for it...the intake will have to trvel underneath the sump(yes theres room and come up the other end and trough the glass....crazy as hell but it might just work. all i have to do now it take the whole thing aprart.

thank you so much!

ive been planning this for a week straight and on a budget...made my own bulkheads lol out of CONDUIT PVC...so far none have leaked (knock on wood)

i will post more pictures in a build thread tomorrow when im done with it.

the silicone wont cure untill....tuesday afternoon but tomorro will fill it up with tap and take pictures. hopefully no more issues will come up.
as far as the holes in the top caps ...any ideas?
suggestions?

600k4 · 02/08/2009, 07:01 PM

you could also try the pump in your sump and see how the temp reacts, since you and I live in cold weather states it may not make that big of a difference.

Hop · 02/08/2009, 07:56 PM

Yes the pump doesn't self prime. In fact, you would need to submerge it or build an up and over with a priming T at the top. Also that pump is not going to push very much through that spray bar. You need a pressure rated pump.

If you go to the headloss calc on the home page and start adding exits you will see how pumps begin to decrease their gph as you add more exits. You may see that pump only push about 200gph... I'm guessing here

02/08/2009, 06:15 PM	#1
alextheromanian Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Binghamton NY Posts: 1,007	plumbing problem HELP?!(PICTURES) re-built the 29g tank i tried to clean up everything and install a decent drain ssystem that doesnt gurgle and at the same time improve the water flow and make it more random but im afraid i failed miserably at it ...atleast the return part of it. information id like to state beforehand is. -29g tank -20g sump -6 feet of head pressure but the current repositioning of the pump is only 5 -pump is quietone3000 problems: -pump does not suck water trough the intake pipe ive built for it. -when i pour water into the intake pipe it barely drips out water at the top.(pump was previously set up as in-sump with 6 feet instead of 5 and it had too much flow for the drain to keep up with so it obviously has the power) HERE IT IS: placed pump on top of sump with 3/4 output and 1" input pipe 5 feet of head pressure and it reaches the top splitting two ways around the top of the display tank 5 drain lines ...1 will be positioned to shoot at the surface to lose suction incase of power failiure. any help or ideas would be great! let me know if i forgot anything __________________ i just cant think of any phylosophical, deep, critical thinking quotes right now. Current Tank Info: 29g Reef, 75g FOWLR

02/08/2009, 06:18 PM	#2
alextheromanian Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Binghamton NY Posts: 1,007	ps i know the standpipes dont have a drilled top cap that was another thing i wanted to ask about...dont quite know how bit i should make it. __________________ i just cant think of any phylosophical, deep, critical thinking quotes right now. Current Tank Info: 29g Reef, 75g FOWLR

02/08/2009, 06:28 PM	#3
Chris&Mel Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: BC, Canada Posts: 597	Well, I'm not a pump expert, but my first thought is that the pump has to be lower then the water....or have some method of priming it were it is __________________ I let my wife think she is the brains of this operation Current Tank Info: 60 gal ,36" sun dial T-5, super skimmer 220, #2&#3 korilia's, marineland 20gal sump, 80pd's LR, 30 pd's LS

02/08/2009, 06:56 PM	#8
nikon187 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Edmonton Alberta Posts: 4,717	yeah the pump being on top of the sump there is no way for it to stay primed __________________ ----------------- Current Tanks: New 210 custom 84 x 24 x 24, 60g sump, SWC 250 extreme with bubble blaster 5000, 2 vortech mp40, 2 vortech mp10, 12 T5, Water blaster 5000, warner marine bio pellets, 60g clownfish cube, red carpet anemone with a 25g sump,SRO octopus 1000sss, 250w radium, lumenarc large.

02/08/2009, 06:59 PM	#9
alextheromanian Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Binghamton NY Posts: 1,007	thank you so much i just got an idea....if i place the pup under the spill holes....i have room for it...the intake will have to trvel underneath the sump(yes theres room and come up the other end and trough the glass....crazy as hell but it might just work. all i have to do now it take the whole thing aprart. thank you so much! ive been planning this for a week straight and on a budget...made my own bulkheads lol out of CONDUIT PVC...so far none have leaked (knock on wood) i will post more pictures in a build thread tomorrow when im done with it. the silicone wont cure untill....tuesday afternoon but tomorro will fill it up with tap and take pictures. hopefully no more issues will come up. as far as the holes in the top caps ...any ideas? suggestions? __________________ i just cant think of any phylosophical, deep, critical thinking quotes right now. Current Tank Info: 29g Reef, 75g FOWLR

02/08/2009, 06:48 PM	#5
600k4 Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Elgin, IL Posts: 54	If you weren't space challenged I would say to have a hole drilled in the side of the sump and get a bulkhead...

02/08/2009, 06:49 PM	#6
600k4 Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Elgin, IL Posts: 54	quick disconnects help if you have to change pumps too.

02/08/2009, 06:51 PM	#7
600k4 Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Elgin, IL Posts: 54	btw, very nice work on your plumbing. I hope you get it working soon

02/08/2009, 07:01 PM	#10
600k4 Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Elgin, IL Posts: 54	you could also try the pump in your sump and see how the temp reacts, since you and I live in cold weather states it may not make that big of a difference.

02/08/2009, 07:56 PM	#11
Hop Carpe Noctem!!! Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Western Colorado Posts: 8,548	Yes the pump doesn't self prime. In fact, you would need to submerge it or build an up and over with a priming T at the top. Also that pump is not going to push very much through that spray bar. You need a pressure rated pump. If you go to the headloss calc on the home page and start adding exits you will see how pumps begin to decrease their gph as you add more exits. You may see that pump only push about 200gph... I'm guessing here __________________ Hop Current Tank Info: 300-gallon in-wall system (mixed reef)