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Sugar Magnolia · 04/16/2009, 04:22 PM

Bump TTT for Omer.

newron6 · 04/17/2009, 01:43 AM

Whys · 04/17/2009, 03:33 AM

Yes, the bubble trap is very important.

I strongly recommend you consider an external pump for a tank that size. External pumps are more powerful and add less heat to the water.

I don't know exactly what you mean when you say "will splitt 4 holes in the back side like cloose loop but npt from the bottom". Remember that when your pump is off, any water in your display tank that is above the return outlets will drain to your sump. So if you place the 4 holes in the back near the bottom, your entire tank will drain and your sump will overflow and your corals will die. If you wish to have a "closed loop" then I recommend putting in an actual closed loop separate from your return pump. This way the return pump outlet can be at the top of your tank and won't drain to the sump when the pump is off. A closed loop can still have outlets near the bottom because there is no where for the water to drain when it is off. A closed loop goes directly to a pump and then directly back to the display tank, so no siphon, no drain, no disaster when closed loop pump is off.

I hope that made sense. It's a lot to try and explain.

Please show us an image of what you are trying to create and we can give you better advice that's easier to understand.

I like your choice in lighting. That looks like a pretty good balance to me. But if you want to keep clams, don't be surprised if you need to add 4 more t5 80s. Clams require a LOT of light. As do anemones and SPS. Tho you might be able to just place them directly under the metal halide, the issue with a tank that size is the depth. The deeper a tank the less light that penetrates to the bottom. You might need to place your clams higher up off the sandbed and closer to the light.

I do not know what you are describing when you talk about "waveboxes" in your overflow. I do not use them and need a image to understand.

Why so many types of heaters? Why not all 300s? Don't forget to add the water volume of your sump when calculating your heaters.

I do not know that brand of chiller, but it's size looks rights. I don't know if this would be practical for you, but you might want to consider getting two smaller chillers instead of one big one. That will keep your system safer from failure in a hot climate.

Your order of corals looks pretty good and should help you know if you need more light before adding SPS and clams. I don't know enough about each one to give advice on feeding, but you should probably consider a Calcium reactor because of the size of your tank. You won't need it to start, but as you add more corals it will become very useful.

I hope this helps and I hope someone else here will chime in. It's always important to get advice from as many people as possible.

newron6 · 04/17/2009, 05:22 AM

look at this page and you see what i means when i say to hide the pumps in the overflow its looks like this extecly

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh...&pagenumber=16

and i dont know what mean when you say about the close loop its not right , i think i use in the overflow only with pvc that drown water in sump with free fall and the pump its not connecting to the pvc only sit in the sump and drow water to the cloose loop

Whys · 04/17/2009, 05:58 AM

That is a very complex system and the photos do not show enough detail for me to understand it.

Closed loops don't usually run from the sump, as this can cause problems. A closed loop is usually separate from your return pump, with it's own powerful pump, and is not connected to the sump.

Tank => closed-loop inlet => closed-loop pump => closed-loop outlet => tank.

Tank => overflow => sump => return-pump => tank.

The sump and return-pump are for "turn-over", feeding water to your skimmer and other equipment. The closed-loop and closed-loop pump are for "tank flow" and is used instead of powerheads for a cleaner look.

My concern about the vertical placement of your 4 holes is that the 4 holes must be near the top of the tank because your tank will drain water when the return-pump is off. If you have a separate closed-loop, then any holes for the closed loop can be placed anywhere you want because water will not drain. It is not connected to the sump, just its own pump.

04/16/2009, 04:22 PM	#26
Sugar Magnolia Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Northern VA Posts: 17,691	Bump TTT for Omer. __________________ Adrienne The only thing to fear is fear itself....and spiders.

04/17/2009, 01:43 AM	#27
newron6 Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 43

04/17/2009, 03:33 AM	#28
Whys Moved On Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Spokane, WA Posts: 3,263	Yes, the bubble trap is very important. I strongly recommend you consider an external pump for a tank that size. External pumps are more powerful and add less heat to the water. I don't know exactly what you mean when you say "will splitt 4 holes in the back side like cloose loop but npt from the bottom". Remember that when your pump is off, any water in your display tank that is above the return outlets will drain to your sump. So if you place the 4 holes in the back near the bottom, your entire tank will drain and your sump will overflow and your corals will die. If you wish to have a "closed loop" then I recommend putting in an actual closed loop separate from your return pump. This way the return pump outlet can be at the top of your tank and won't drain to the sump when the pump is off. A closed loop can still have outlets near the bottom because there is no where for the water to drain when it is off. A closed loop goes directly to a pump and then directly back to the display tank, so no siphon, no drain, no disaster when closed loop pump is off. I hope that made sense. It's a lot to try and explain. Please show us an image of what you are trying to create and we can give you better advice that's easier to understand. I like your choice in lighting. That looks like a pretty good balance to me. But if you want to keep clams, don't be surprised if you need to add 4 more t5 80s. Clams require a LOT of light. As do anemones and SPS. Tho you might be able to just place them directly under the metal halide, the issue with a tank that size is the depth. The deeper a tank the less light that penetrates to the bottom. You might need to place your clams higher up off the sandbed and closer to the light. I do not know what you are describing when you talk about "waveboxes" in your overflow. I do not use them and need a image to understand. Why so many types of heaters? Why not all 300s? Don't forget to add the water volume of your sump when calculating your heaters. I do not know that brand of chiller, but it's size looks rights. I don't know if this would be practical for you, but you might want to consider getting two smaller chillers instead of one big one. That will keep your system safer from failure in a hot climate. Your order of corals looks pretty good and should help you know if you need more light before adding SPS and clams. I don't know enough about each one to give advice on feeding, but you should probably consider a Calcium reactor because of the size of your tank. You won't need it to start, but as you add more corals it will become very useful. I hope this helps and I hope someone else here will chime in. It's always important to get advice from as many people as possible.

04/17/2009, 05:22 AM	#29
newron6 Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 43	look at this page and you see what i means when i say to hide the pumps in the overflow its looks like this extecly http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh...&pagenumber=16 and i dont know what mean when you say about the close loop its not right , i think i use in the overflow only with pvc that drown water in sump with free fall and the pump its not connecting to the pvc only sit in the sump and drow water to the cloose loop

04/17/2009, 05:58 AM	#30
Whys Moved On Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Spokane, WA Posts: 3,263	That is a very complex system and the photos do not show enough detail for me to understand it. Closed loops don't usually run from the sump, as this can cause problems. A closed loop is usually separate from your return pump, with it's own powerful pump, and is not connected to the sump. Tank => closed-loop inlet => closed-loop pump => closed-loop outlet => tank. Tank => overflow => sump => return-pump => tank. The sump and return-pump are for "turn-over", feeding water to your skimmer and other equipment. The closed-loop and closed-loop pump are for "tank flow" and is used instead of powerheads for a cleaner look. My concern about the vertical placement of your 4 holes is that the 4 holes must be near the top of the tank because your tank will drain water when the return-pump is off. If you have a separate closed-loop, then any holes for the closed loop can be placed anywhere you want because water will not drain. It is not connected to the sump, just its own pump.