Flatworm Exit any used it firsthand.

dan223 · 04/20/2009, 08:26 PM

Hey thinking of using it. A friend used it and said as soon as flatworms started dieing so did all his snails and copepods started flowing around in the current, in the end after carbon he said it killed almost all but not all the flatworms. What has your expierence been

snorvich · 04/20/2009, 08:30 PM

Works well. Dose at 150% of recommended. Turn off your circulation but leave powerheads on. Blow water with turkey baster into rock work. Be ready to siphon off the dieing flatworms as they produce a toxin. Be prepared to do a substantial water change, then add carbon. Probably requires two treatments.

Ritten · 04/20/2009, 09:17 PM

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Originally posted by snorvich
Works well. Dose at 150% of recommended. Turn off your circulation but leave powerheads on. Blow water with turkey baster into rock work. Be ready to siphon off the dieing flatworms as they produce a toxin. Be prepared to do a substantial water change, then add carbon. Probably requires two treatments.

X2. My experience exactly.

gutter · 04/20/2009, 09:21 PM

It saved my tank after a couple years of red ugliness. I was VERY happy with it. The only thing it killed was flatworms.

spsfreak · 04/20/2009, 09:35 PM

Same exp here... works well when used just as Steve has mentioned.

Tylt33 · 04/20/2009, 10:27 PM

If you have any species of Cerith snails, they'll be toast mostly. Dose 1.5x to 2x depending on how vindictive you feel, do a big water change after.

ZoaGuy · 04/20/2009, 11:00 PM

One huge step in avoiding trouble is to siphon out as much as possible over the course of a few days. Believe me these things are hiding in many places you don't see and will rain down once Flatworm exit is added. Siphon as fast and as many as possilbe, as they are the source of death.

Also plan for a second treatment after a week or two.

Fiction2040 · 04/20/2009, 11:02 PM

My cerith snails are fine, and I just used it.

Peter Eichler · 04/21/2009, 12:55 AM

Forgot to mention on WRS that bristle worms don't do so well with FWE. I like and want bristleworms so that bugged me a bit.

Lightsluvr · 04/21/2009, 07:22 AM

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Originally posted by Peter Eichler
Forgot to mention on WRS that bristle worms don't do so well with FWE. I like and want bristleworms so that bugged me a bit.

Peter -

You said Bristleworms "don't do well.." Does that mean that FWExit killed them?

I am loking for a way to thin an excessive Bristleworm infestation caused by overfeeding a seahorse tank.

I was considering doing a RO/DI bath for the LR - but if FWExit works, I will use it and a saltwater bath instead.

LL

tmz · 04/21/2009, 09:02 AM

Steve summed it up very well,consistent with my experience. Be ready with the carbon. I used an extra over the side filter . During the dosing period ,(40 minutes or so as I recall) , the filter sucked out dying worms . After I simply added the extra carbon to it.It took two shots to get them all. I started with 100% dose on the first application and went to %150 on the second. If you have a multitude you may want to use a little less on the first dose so you can kill them incrementally, limiting the toxin issue.

ALLANSAM · 04/21/2009, 09:06 AM

Used flatworm exit twice killed all flatworms.Works great!!

phenom5 · 04/21/2009, 09:10 AM

I used it, and it worked great. Fully stocked reef, and I had no problems with any corals (SPS, LPS, zoas) or cleanup crew.

I siphoned out as many flatworms as I could see every other day for a week prior to using it. I put a filter sock on one end of the line, dropped that in my sump, filter sock caught the FW's, the water went back in to the system. Then I dosed 2x the amount in the instructions for the first treatment. As Steve said, be ready to siphon out the dying FW's, and be ready for a good sized water change, and run carbon. Then I dosed 3x the amount in the instructions for a second treatment a week later. No more flatworms.

runningstix · 04/21/2009, 09:38 AM

I used 100% levamisole $20 for 21 grams will last forever instead of watered down flatworm exit that you will need 4 boxes to do once.

Check this thread. I treated my tank for the first time last saturday. I will be following up every 7 days for 4 weeks. I see no flat worms in my tank now and no livestock was lost or hurt. besides flat worms and bristle worms.

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh...5&pagenumber=1

Peter Eichler · 04/21/2009, 11:20 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lightsluvr
Peter -

You said Bristleworms "don't do well.." Does that mean that FWExit killed them?

I am loking for a way to thin an excessive Bristleworm infestation caused by overfeeding a seahorse tank.

I was considering doing a RO/DI bath for the LR - but if FWExit works, I will use it and a saltwater bath instead.

LL

IME a 1.5x doses kills some but not all. I see no reason to worry about bristleworms though... In a seahorse tank I'd say they're excellent scavengers to have.

Lightsluvr · 04/21/2009, 11:59 AM

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Originally posted by Peter Eichler
IME a 1.5x doses kills some but not all. I see no reason to worry about bristleworms though... In a seahorse tank I'd say they're excellent scavengers to have.

Sung to the tune of "Sound of Music"

"The rocks are alive with worms that bristle..
They're thick as fleas on a camel's back...
The sand wriggles with their every move,
and the Goby cannot even snack..."

(apologies to Rogers & Hammerstein)

Nothing like watching a seahorse try to "snic" a small bristleworm, mistaking it for a mysis shrimp - talk about a rude awakening...

Too many of a good thing, Peter.

LL

Peter Eichler · 04/21/2009, 12:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lightsluvr
Sung to the tune of "Sound of Music"

"The rocks are alive with worms that bristle..
They're thick as fleas on a camel's back...
The sand wriggles with their every move,
and the Goby cannot even snack..."

(apologies to Rogers & Hammerstein)

Nothing like watching a seahorse try to "snic" a small bristleworm, mistaking it for a mysis shrimp - talk about a rude awakening...

Too many of a good thing, Peter.

LL

Give it a go then, just make sure you siphon out as many as you can before they start to decay or revive.

Lightsluvr · 04/21/2009, 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Peter Eichler
Give it a go then, just make sure you siphon out as many as you can before they start to decay or revive.

Instead of dosing the tank, I am going to give individual pieces of live rock a FWExit bath in a 5 gallon bucket...followed by a saltwater rinse. From what I've seen with RO/DI baths, the bristleworms will try to escape the rock. I hope that holds true, so I don't get a "cycle"

After I treat all of the LR, I will return it to the DT and re-aquascape.

Is this doable?

LL

L98-Z · 04/21/2009, 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lightsluvr
Instead of dosing the tank, I am going to give individual pieces of live rock a FWExit bath in a 5 gallon bucket...followed by a saltwater rinse. From what I've seen with RO/DI baths, the bristleworms will try to escape the rock. I hope that holds true, so I don't get a "cycle"

After I treat all of the LR, I will return it to the DT and re-aquascape.

Is this doable?

LL

That's similar to my plan except I plan to do it when I switch from my 180g to 300g. Of course, I'm not concerned with a cycle as much as you are.

ZoaGuy · 04/21/2009, 06:21 PM

I would guess you are going to leave some behind and still have problem down the road. However, if you do this first and then treat the whole tank afterwards to kill any leftovers you could greatly reduce the amount of flatworm toxins that would get release into your tank.

Sounds like a lot of work, but it may pay off in the end.

Peter Eichler · 04/21/2009, 09:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lightsluvr
Instead of dosing the tank, I am going to give individual pieces of live rock a FWExit bath in a 5 gallon bucket...followed by a saltwater rinse. From what I've seen with RO/DI baths, the bristleworms will try to escape the rock. I hope that holds true, so I don't get a "cycle"

After I treat all of the LR, I will return it to the DT and re-aquascape.

Is this doable?

LL

Yeah, I would start with a 3x dose and do a small rock to see what happens and go up from there if needed.

04/20/2009, 08:26 PM	#1
dan223 Custom User Title Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: WI Posts: 675	Flatworm Exit any used it firsthand. Hey thinking of using it. A friend used it and said as soon as flatworms started dieing so did all his snails and copepods started flowing around in the current, in the end after carbon he said it killed almost all but not all the flatworms. What has your expierence been

04/20/2009, 08:30 PM	#2
snorvich Team RC member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Outlander Posts: 40,953 Blog Entries: 46	Works well. Dose at 150% of recommended. Turn off your circulation but leave powerheads on. Blow water with turkey baster into rock work. Be ready to siphon off the dieing flatworms as they produce a toxin. Be prepared to do a substantial water change, then add carbon. Probably requires two treatments. __________________ Warmest regards, ~Steve~

04/20/2009, 09:35 PM	#5
spsfreak Premium Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Triad Area, NC Posts: 1,182	Same exp here... works well when used just as Steve has mentioned. __________________ -Matt ><> ><> Worry looks around, Sorry looks back, Faith looks up. Click red house for Pico build page. Current Tank Info: 3g Pico and workin on a new 100g Acrylic setup

04/21/2009, 12:55 AM	#9
Peter Eichler Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Milwaukee Posts: 6,081	Forgot to mention on WRS that bristle worms don't do so well with FWE. I like and want bristleworms so that bugged me a bit. __________________ April 2015 TOTM

04/21/2009, 09:02 AM	#11
tmz ReefKeeping Mag staff Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: West Seneca NY Posts: 27,691	Steve summed it up very well,consistent with my experience. Be ready with the carbon. I used an extra over the side filter . During the dosing period ,(40 minutes or so as I recall) , the filter sucked out dying worms . After I simply added the extra carbon to it.It took two shots to get them all. I started with 100% dose on the first application and went to %150 on the second. If you have a multitude you may want to use a little less on the first dose so you can kill them incrementally, limiting the toxin issue. __________________ Tom Current Tank Info: Tank of the Month , November 2011 : 600gal integrated system: 3 display tanks (120 g, 90g, 89g),several frag/grow out tanks, macroalgae refugia, cryptic zones. 40+ fish, seahorses, sps,lps,leathers, zoanthidae and non photosynthetic corals.

04/20/2009, 09:21 PM	#4
gutter Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 34	It saved my tank after a couple years of red ugliness. I was VERY happy with it. The only thing it killed was flatworms.

04/20/2009, 10:27 PM	#6
Tylt33 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Chico, California Posts: 1,755	If you have any species of Cerith snails, they'll be toast mostly. Dose 1.5x to 2x depending on how vindictive you feel, do a big water change after.

04/20/2009, 11:00 PM	#7
ZoaGuy Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Appleton, WI Posts: 85	One huge step in avoiding trouble is to siphon out as much as possible over the course of a few days. Believe me these things are hiding in many places you don't see and will rain down once Flatworm exit is added. Siphon as fast and as many as possilbe, as they are the source of death. Also plan for a second treatment after a week or two.

04/20/2009, 11:02 PM	#8
Fiction2040 Moved On Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Napa Posts: 55	My cerith snails are fine, and I just used it.

04/21/2009, 09:06 AM	#12
ALLANSAM Registered Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: KENTUCKY Posts: 57	Used flatworm exit twice killed all flatworms.Works great!!

04/21/2009, 09:10 AM	#13
phenom5 Unregistered Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Arizona Posts: 5,096	I used it, and it worked great. Fully stocked reef, and I had no problems with any corals (SPS, LPS, zoas) or cleanup crew. I siphoned out as many flatworms as I could see every other day for a week prior to using it. I put a filter sock on one end of the line, dropped that in my sump, filter sock caught the FW's, the water went back in to the system. Then I dosed 2x the amount in the instructions for the first treatment. As Steve said, be ready to siphon out the dying FW's, and be ready for a good sized water change, and run carbon. Then I dosed 3x the amount in the instructions for a second treatment a week later. No more flatworms. __________________ Rob Current Tank Info: DSA 155 Pro \| ATI Sunpower \| ATB 840 v2 \| Apex \| Wav

04/21/2009, 09:38 AM	#14
runningstix Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 1,544	I used 100% levamisole $20 for 21 grams will last forever instead of watered down flatworm exit that you will need 4 boxes to do once. Check this thread. I treated my tank for the first time last saturday. I will be following up every 7 days for 4 weeks. I see no flat worms in my tank now and no livestock was lost or hurt. besides flat worms and bristle worms. http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh...5&pagenumber=1 __________________ Go Buckeyes! Current Tank Info: tankless

04/21/2009, 06:21 PM	#20
ZoaGuy Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Appleton, WI Posts: 85	I would guess you are going to leave some behind and still have problem down the road. However, if you do this first and then treat the whole tank afterwards to kill any leftovers you could greatly reduce the amount of flatworm toxins that would get release into your tank. Sounds like a lot of work, but it may pay off in the end.