help ..........lfs treats fish with copper , have not bseen shrimp in 5 days

robot2222 · 05/13/2009, 02:13 PM

i added 3 fish from lfs he told me they treat with copper but just drain water from bag into sink and add the fish to tank . i have not seen my 2 pepermint shrimp in 5 days now i havent seen my crab in 2 . i have numerous inverts, hermits, snails, chitons . is there any thing i should do now? please help.

stingythingy45 · 05/13/2009, 02:15 PM

Well,one thing I would recommend is to QT incoming stock.

Pacific Reefs · 05/13/2009, 02:18 PM

What kind of fish do you have and what did you add? It may be possible something ate them. Also you could run carbon to help get rid of the copper. I don't think you should have a prob if you just added the fish only.

robot2222 · 05/13/2009, 03:31 PM

KOLE TANG, TOMATO CLOWN, PURPLE FILEFISH. THESE ARE THE FIRST THREE FISH IN THE TANK . I GUESS I PROB SHOULD OF QUARANTINED THEM BUT SINCE THEY WERE THE FIRST.

mille239 · 05/13/2009, 03:57 PM

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Originally posted by robot2222
KOLE TANG, TOMATO CLOWN, PURPLE FILEFISH. THESE ARE THE FIRST THREE FISH IN THE TANK . I GUESS I PROB SHOULD OF QUARANTINED THEM BUT SINCE THEY WERE THE FIRST.

Even if they are the first fish, they can bring in pathogens such as ich (even if they are not exhibiting symptoms) which will stay in your tank and possibly affect future additions.

Now, if these were the first fish and you had no inverts in the tank, you could use your display tank as a the quarantine tank, but....

Much easier to have a separate tank for that purpose. I know the deed is done now, and I am not much help. but just something to keep in mind.

for your specific problem, I would run carbon for several days and keep an eye on the rest of your inverts.

DamnPepShrimp · 05/13/2009, 04:01 PM

Pep shrimp usually come out at night, they are very mischievous little creatures. I bet they are just hiding in the rocks somewhere.

ZoaGuy · 05/13/2009, 07:03 PM

Give it some time. As long as you poured off the copper treated water it is very unlikely that you contaminated the tank with enough copper to kill your inverts.

A QT greatly decreases these risks and may others so I would recommend it going forward.

tkeracer619 · 05/13/2009, 07:37 PM

The copper was not the issue. There is probably as much copper in a fresh batch of salt water since salt has it in it.

robot2222 · 05/13/2009, 10:51 PM

thanks everyone. i have a bunch of corals also they are all fine. i used to see the pep shrimp all the time. maybe they are hiding because of the fish.

nikon187 · 05/13/2009, 11:01 PM

If all your corals are fine i dought there is copper in the water

NCSUsalt · 05/13/2009, 11:02 PM

you'd be hard pressed to find a LFS that doesn't run copper in their fish only systems

robot2222 · 05/14/2009, 01:17 PM

I SAW ONE OF THE PEPERMINT SHRIMP THIS MORNING.

mat167 · 05/14/2009, 01:35 PM

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Originally posted by NCSUsalt
you'd be hard pressed to find a LFS that doesn't run copper in their fish only systems

Actually where I work we don't run any meds in the system. No "hyposalinity" either. We seldom have problems with our fish.

Pacific Reefs · 05/14/2009, 05:51 PM

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Originally posted by mat167
Actually where I work we don't run any meds in the system. No "hyposalinity" either. We seldom have problems with our fish.

You are one of the few lucky ones. Usually the stress of capture and transport leaves the fish susceptible to disease.

edgex · 05/14/2009, 07:14 PM

pepermint shrimp molt and hide for days while their shells are forming.This way they dont get eaten as well.My sally lightfoot hides for about one week then I find the molt.

mat167 · 05/14/2009, 09:31 PM

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Originally posted by Pacific Reefs
You are one of the few lucky ones. Usually the stress of capture and transport leaves the fish susceptible to disease.

I'm honestly quite surprised at the amount of success we experience, considering the manager's closed-minded outdated methods.

P.S. Sorry to go off topic.

05/13/2009, 02:13 PM	#1
robot2222 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: phoenix, arizonia Posts: 1,283	help ..........lfs treats fish with copper , have not bseen shrimp in 5 days i added 3 fish from lfs he told me they treat with copper but just drain water from bag into sink and add the fish to tank . i have not seen my 2 pepermint shrimp in 5 days now i havent seen my crab in 2 . i have numerous inverts, hermits, snails, chitons . is there any thing i should do now? please help.

05/13/2009, 02:15 PM	#2
stingythingy45 Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: MA Posts: 3,296	Well,one thing I would recommend is to QT incoming stock. __________________ Bob Current Tank Info: 90 gallon,mixed Reef,2-250 watt Optix 3 pendants(Phoenix 14K)2-54 watt T5 Super actnics ,ASM G-2 Gate/recirc mods,70 gal. basement sump,20L ref

05/13/2009, 03:31 PM	#4
robot2222 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: phoenix, arizonia Posts: 1,283	KOLE TANG, TOMATO CLOWN, PURPLE FILEFISH. THESE ARE THE FIRST THREE FISH IN THE TANK . I GUESS I PROB SHOULD OF QUARANTINED THEM BUT SINCE THEY WERE THE FIRST. __________________ 14 gallon biocube Current Tank Info: 72 gallon bowfront

05/13/2009, 07:37 PM	#8
tkeracer619 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Westminster, CO Posts: 17,289	The copper was not the issue. There is probably as much copper in a fresh batch of salt water since salt has it in it. __________________ Hobby Experience: 9200ish gallons, 26 skimmers, and a handful of Kent Scrapers. Current Tank: Vortech Powered 600G SPS Tank w/ 100gal frag tank & 100g Sump. RK2-RK10 Skimmer. ReefAngel. Radium 20k.

05/13/2009, 10:51 PM	#9
robot2222 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: phoenix, arizonia Posts: 1,283	thanks everyone. i have a bunch of corals also they are all fine. i used to see the pep shrimp all the time. maybe they are hiding because of the fish. __________________ 14 gallon biocube Current Tank Info: 72 gallon bowfront

05/13/2009, 02:18 PM	#3
Pacific Reefs Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 2,768	What kind of fish do you have and what did you add? It may be possible something ate them. Also you could run carbon to help get rid of the copper. I don't think you should have a prob if you just added the fish only.

05/13/2009, 04:01 PM	#6
DamnPepShrimp Moved On Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Delaware Posts: 5,152	Pep shrimp usually come out at night, they are very mischievous little creatures. I bet they are just hiding in the rocks somewhere.

05/13/2009, 07:03 PM	#7
ZoaGuy Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Appleton, WI Posts: 85	Give it some time. As long as you poured off the copper treated water it is very unlikely that you contaminated the tank with enough copper to kill your inverts. A QT greatly decreases these risks and may others so I would recommend it going forward.

05/13/2009, 11:01 PM	#10
nikon187 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Edmonton Alberta Posts: 4,717	If all your corals are fine i dought there is copper in the water __________________ ----------------- Current Tanks: New 210 custom 84 x 24 x 24, 60g sump, SWC 250 extreme with bubble blaster 5000, 2 vortech mp40, 2 vortech mp10, 12 T5, Water blaster 5000, warner marine bio pellets, 60g clownfish cube, red carpet anemone with a 25g sump,SRO octopus 1000sss, 250w radium, lumenarc large.

05/13/2009, 11:02 PM	#11
NCSUsalt Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: raleigh, NC Posts: 619	you'd be hard pressed to find a LFS that doesn't run copper in their fish only systems

05/14/2009, 01:17 PM	#12
robot2222 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: phoenix, arizonia Posts: 1,283	I SAW ONE OF THE PEPERMINT SHRIMP THIS MORNING. __________________ 14 gallon biocube Current Tank Info: 72 gallon bowfront

05/14/2009, 07:14 PM	#15
edgex Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: south salem ny Posts: 68	pepermint shrimp molt and hide for days while their shells are forming.This way they dont get eaten as well.My sally lightfoot hides for about one week then I find the molt.