any angels or tangs that are reef safe?

AquaWave523 · 08/04/2009, 08:38 AM

Im look for angels and tangs that are reef compatible along with the clownfishes...

can someone name a few?

Thanks!

Sugar Magnolia · 08/04/2009, 08:48 AM

What size tank are you looking to stock?

AquaWave523 · 08/04/2009, 08:52 AM

90 gallons, with a 30 gallon sump/refugium with MSX200 skimmer.

100 lbs of Live rocks
1-2" of live sand

Current stock:

Fish:
2 Percula clown fish
1 Royal Gramma
3 Blue/Green Chromis

CUC:
10 hermit crabs
1 emerald crab

Corals:
Xenia
Mushroom

Sugar Magnolia · 08/04/2009, 09:00 AM

As far as angels go, the majority of them pose a risk in a reef tank, as most will nip at lps, soft corals, clam mantles. There a a couple that are less likely to do this, but they require a minimum tank size of 100g.

There a some options for tangs...atlantic blue, powder brown, white cheek, mimic, convict, Indian mimic, goldring bristletooth, yellow, brown.

Sugar Magnolia · 08/04/2009, 09:03 AM

Oh, I see your current inhabitants. You're going to want to bump up your clean up crew quite a bit. Three or four turbo snails, 10-15 nassarius snails 5-10 Tongan nassarius snails, 10-15 cerith snails, maybe a bunch of margaritas snails as well.

ibefishy · 08/04/2009, 09:15 AM

I picked up a flameback angel a few months back and he has been a model citizen in my tank.

AquaWave523 · 08/04/2009, 09:18 AM

thanks for your input, why so much of the CUC? I dont think my tank would need all of that if i have more fish.

Here's what i want to add to my 90:

- 1 jawfish
- 1 blue hippo tang
- 1 yellow tang
- 1 Ebili angel
- 1 flame angel
- 1 watchman goby
- 2 blenny
- 1 mandarin fish
- 2 anthesias
- corals....does this affect bioload?

Currently in tank:
- 2 clown
- 3 blue/green chromis
- 1 royal gramma

Do you see anything wrong with my stock list?

badwrasse · 08/04/2009, 09:29 AM

i would hold off on the anthia and mandain your tang is to young for these IMO

badwrasse · 08/04/2009, 09:33 AM

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Originally posted by badwrasse
i would hold off on the anthia and mandain your tang is to young for these IMO

ebili and flame might not get along

pledosophy · 08/04/2009, 12:34 PM

IMO the hippo and yellow tang get to large for your system. Might look into the bristletooth species like kole and tomini.

Blenny's do not get along with each other for long IME, but in a 90g you might get away with 2. I did in a 65g, they just lived on opposite corners of the tank.

Even though many of the fish on your list are small, IMO half of your list is quite the bioload for your system. I would go very slow and aim a bit lower IME.

HTH

loosecannon · 08/04/2009, 12:44 PM

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Originally posted by ibefishy
I picked up a flameback angel a few months back and he has been a model citizen in my tank.

A big +1! I have one in my 40 gal. breeder. Lps. , bta. , and a conndy. And no problems.

badwrasse · 08/04/2009, 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by pledosophy
IMO the hippo and yellow tang get to large for your system. Might look into the bristletooth species like kole and tomini.

Blenny's do not get along with each other for long IME, but in a 90g you might get away with 2. I did in a 65g, they just lived on opposite corners of the tank.

Even though many of the fish on your list are small, IMO half of your list is quite the bioload for your system. I would go very slow and aim a bit lower IME.

HTH

hippo and yellow are fine for a 90,

loosecannon · 08/04/2009, 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by AquaWave523
thanks for your input, why so much of the CUC? I dont think my tank would need all of that if i have more fish.

Here's what i want to add to my 90:

- 1 jawfish
- 1 blue hippo tang
- 1 yellow tang
- 1 Ebili angel
- 1 flame angel
- 1 watchman goby
- 2 blenny
- 1 mandarin fish
- 2 anthesias
- corals....does this affect bioload?

Currently in tank:
- 2 clown
- 3 blue/green chromis
- 1 royal gramma

Do you see anything wrong with my stock list?

Yes! Jawfish need 4 to 5 " of sand. One tang or they will fight . One Angel or they will fight also! I would go with Flame, they eat fishes poop. No Antheias one blenny.

badwrasse · 08/04/2009, 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by loosecannon
One tang or they will fight .

not entirely true if they are the same body type yes they will but a tang and a regal/hippo are fine together they are also schooling fish you can put more than one together but in a 90 its best not

TwistedEnvy · 08/04/2009, 02:35 PM

I have 3 tangs in my 55, yellow, scopas, and hippo and they do not fight. They will be much happier in my 155 bow that I just bought though.

I wouldn't put more than one tang if possible in anything under 6 feet long for swimming space.

reefscape15 · 08/04/2009, 03:09 PM

No Angels are completely reef safe, but neither are any other fish. There is always an exception to the rules. Having said that, Atlantic Pygmy, Bellus, Brazillian and African Flameback, Japanese and Masked Swallowtail, Lamarck's, and Watanabe's are the safest. Some are pretty pricey, but if you want an Angel in your reef, these are the least likely to nip at anything. I personally have had a False Lemonpeel and Bi-Color Angel that never touched a thing. I had a Rusty Angel that sometimes got into my Anthellia, but never enough to bother me as that coral grows extremely fast

koranAngel · 08/04/2009, 07:26 PM

had an k angel got him while very juvi at same time as blue tang
he grew fairly quick and started eating every single coral i had so removed him

blue tang is fine not even a nip on corals
as for mandarin wait a while

badwrasse · 08/04/2009, 08:05 PM

I had a coral beauty is pretty well behaved

Poeticlydead · 08/04/2009, 08:13 PM

Only warning here is that most really nice corals require really precise control of your water perameters and the larger your bio load the harder it can be to maintain those. So stock slowly, research ever purchase before you make it, keep in mind every coral you add will grow out (reducing space in your tank) and keep in mind the adult size of any fish you add.

With all that said Have fun!
And you may want to look at the scopas/yellow tangs (added benefit of tangs is they eat algae but you will need to provide them a steady source).

08/04/2009, 08:38 AM	#1
AquaWave523 Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 911	any angels or tangs that are reef safe? Im look for angels and tangs that are reef compatible along with the clownfishes... can someone name a few? Thanks!

08/04/2009, 08:48 AM	#2
Sugar Magnolia Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Northern VA Posts: 17,691	What size tank are you looking to stock? __________________ Adrienne The only thing to fear is fear itself....and spiders.

08/04/2009, 08:52 AM	#3
AquaWave523 Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 911	90 gallons, with a 30 gallon sump/refugium with MSX200 skimmer. 100 lbs of Live rocks 1-2" of live sand Current stock: Fish: 2 Percula clown fish 1 Royal Gramma 3 Blue/Green Chromis CUC: 10 hermit crabs 1 emerald crab Corals: Xenia Mushroom __________________ "Take your time...going slow always works out best. There's no rush in this hobby" Yes that is a memo Current Tank Info: 175 gal Oceanic bowfront w/ 55 gal sump refugium, MSX 200 protein skimmer,Digital Aquatics Controller, Coralife Aqualight (three 250 watt Metal Halides, dual 96 watt cf, triple moon leds)

08/04/2009, 09:00 AM	#4
Sugar Magnolia Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Northern VA Posts: 17,691	As far as angels go, the majority of them pose a risk in a reef tank, as most will nip at lps, soft corals, clam mantles. There a a couple that are less likely to do this, but they require a minimum tank size of 100g. There a some options for tangs...atlantic blue, powder brown, white cheek, mimic, convict, Indian mimic, goldring bristletooth, yellow, brown. __________________ Adrienne The only thing to fear is fear itself....and spiders.

08/04/2009, 09:03 AM	#5
Sugar Magnolia Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Northern VA Posts: 17,691	Oh, I see your current inhabitants. You're going to want to bump up your clean up crew quite a bit. Three or four turbo snails, 10-15 nassarius snails 5-10 Tongan nassarius snails, 10-15 cerith snails, maybe a bunch of margaritas snails as well. __________________ Adrienne The only thing to fear is fear itself....and spiders.

08/04/2009, 09:15 AM	#6
ibefishy Moved On Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Grover Beach, California Posts: 307	I picked up a flameback angel a few months back and he has been a model citizen in my tank.

08/04/2009, 09:18 AM	#7
AquaWave523 Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 911	thanks for your input, why so much of the CUC? I dont think my tank would need all of that if i have more fish. Here's what i want to add to my 90: - 1 jawfish - 1 blue hippo tang - 1 yellow tang - 1 Ebili angel - 1 flame angel - 1 watchman goby - 2 blenny - 1 mandarin fish - 2 anthesias - corals....does this affect bioload? Currently in tank: - 2 clown - 3 blue/green chromis - 1 royal gramma Do you see anything wrong with my stock list? __________________ "Take your time...going slow always works out best. There's no rush in this hobby" Yes that is a memo Current Tank Info: 175 gal Oceanic bowfront w/ 55 gal sump refugium, MSX 200 protein skimmer,Digital Aquatics Controller, Coralife Aqualight (three 250 watt Metal Halides, dual 96 watt cf, triple moon leds)

08/04/2009, 09:29 AM	#8
badwrasse Registered Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: St. louis Posts: 1,203	i would hold off on the anthia and mandain your tang is to young for these IMO __________________ GOT CRABS? Current Tank Info: 90gal RR,rock wall in progress, MRC sump, reef octopus XP2000I skimmer, marineland pro lighting 2-150w MH 4-54w T5's, hydor wavemaker with 2 #4 controllable pumps, and QuietOne 4000HH return pump.

08/04/2009, 12:34 PM	#10
pledosophy Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Beaverton Posts: 5,290	IMO the hippo and yellow tang get to large for your system. Might look into the bristletooth species like kole and tomini. Blenny's do not get along with each other for long IME, but in a 90g you might get away with 2. I did in a 65g, they just lived on opposite corners of the tank. Even though many of the fish on your list are small, IMO half of your list is quite the bioload for your system. I would go very slow and aim a bit lower IME. HTH __________________ 120g mixed reef 90g QT

08/04/2009, 02:35 PM	#15
TwistedEnvy Acan Freak Join Date: May 2009 Location: West Allis, Wisconsin Posts: 731	I have 3 tangs in my 55, yellow, scopas, and hippo and they do not fight. They will be much happier in my 155 bow that I just bought though. I wouldn't put more than one tang if possible in anything under 6 feet long for swimming space. __________________ -Nikki, acan addict Current Tank Info: 29 Red Sea Max, LPS Dominated

08/04/2009, 03:09 PM	#16
reefscape15 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Elmira Heights, NY Posts: 2,812	No Angels are completely reef safe, but neither are any other fish. There is always an exception to the rules. Having said that, Atlantic Pygmy, Bellus, Brazillian and African Flameback, Japanese and Masked Swallowtail, Lamarck's, and Watanabe's are the safest. Some are pretty pricey, but if you want an Angel in your reef, these are the least likely to nip at anything. I personally have had a False Lemonpeel and Bi-Color Angel that never touched a thing. I had a Rusty Angel that sometimes got into my Anthellia, but never enough to bother me as that coral grows extremely fast __________________ A new beginning........... JIM Current Tank Info: 5g standard softie/zoa tank, just starting a 20H

08/04/2009, 07:26 PM	#17
koranAngel always on ** at work Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: sydney Posts: 436	had an k angel got him while very juvi at same time as blue tang he grew fairly quick and started eating every single coral i had so removed him blue tang is fine not even a nip on corals as for mandarin wait a while __________________ y did i start this hobby Current Tank Info: 500lt main tank 39g fuge sump....sohal tang purple tang 2clown,coral beauty banana wrasse coris wrasse royal doty cleaner shrimp coral banded shrimp flame angel bicolour angel sphinx goby cuc mixed corals

08/04/2009, 08:05 PM	#18
badwrasse Registered Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: St. louis Posts: 1,203	I had a coral beauty is pretty well behaved __________________ GOT CRABS? Current Tank Info: 90gal RR,rock wall in progress, MRC sump, reef octopus XP2000I skimmer, marineland pro lighting 2-150w MH 4-54w T5's, hydor wavemaker with 2 #4 controllable pumps, and QuietOne 4000HH return pump.

08/04/2009, 08:13 PM	#19
Poeticlydead Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Missouri Posts: 414	Only warning here is that most really nice corals require really precise control of your water perameters and the larger your bio load the harder it can be to maintain those. So stock slowly, research ever purchase before you make it, keep in mind every coral you add will grow out (reducing space in your tank) and keep in mind the adult size of any fish you add. With all that said Have fun! And you may want to look at the scopas/yellow tangs (added benefit of tangs is they eat algae but you will need to provide them a steady source). __________________ No, I can't spell and no I don't care how it is spelled. Current Tank Info: 90gal reef tank, 40g FOWLR, couple of nanos