Toadstool dying.....have a few questions

basssnake · 09/20/2009, 07:27 AM

I have a toadstool that when at its best would open about 9 inches in diameter. He still opens about 6 or 7. Here is what is going on. For the last year or two, he has had a spot in the center that has been rotting away slowly. Sometimes it would heal back up, and then start to rot again. Now, it is getting worse and part of the stock(which was at least 4 inches in diameter) where it is attached has been rotting away. Most of what had him attached to my main rock in the tank is gone.

I have a galaxea coral just down current from him about maybe 8 inches away. The galaxea coral has been encrusting on a rock i had next to the galaxea for about the last 6 months. It was in good health until a few days ago. The heads are slowly dieing that have encrusted the rock(which is the closest to the toadstool, this rock is between the main galaxea and the toadstool). Each day i see a few more heads white and dead. The main galaxea coral doesn't have any dead heads yet. I don't want to loose my galaxea or the new growth part of it. Do you think this is because of the Toadstool disengrating?

Now, should i remove the Toadstool out of that system(85gallon)? Should i attempt to frag him and discard the rest of the carcass? He still opens up with his tenacles. Or should i just put him in my larger system(about 250 gallon water capacity, 180 gallon tank, 100gallon sump, 45 gallon sump, about 400 or 500lbs of live rock) and hope for the best? The water quality in the larger system i don't think is as good as the 85 though(haven't checked lately though).

Please advise. thanks

basssnake · 09/20/2009, 11:43 AM

anyone have any input??

basssnake · 09/20/2009, 12:33 PM

Please help me!!!! Not trying to be a pest here, but i really need to do something quick..........i want to do the best thing for all the corals and hopefully not loose anything(maybe even gain some if fragging the toadstool is the smart thing to do......).

basssnake · 09/20/2009, 02:19 PM

Bump

ande · 09/20/2009, 04:24 PM

I had a similar problem with my large toadstool after adding a large colt coral. I cut the stock off above the rotted area and put the toadstool in quarantine for 2 weeks or so. It is doing much better now. It's now a short, very wide toadstool.

basssnake · 09/20/2009, 05:46 PM

I could try that. The only problem in my situation is that the center is rotted out. It has been that way for a very very long time. A year or two. But, if i move the whole thing as is to my extra large system, i will cut the bottom of the stock off.

Does anyone have anymore input on my situation? The loss of the galaxea coral is the thing that is bothering me most. I need to act quickly before i lose all the new growth.

Please anyone.........reply

basssnake · 09/20/2009, 06:36 PM

Anyone have some input??

basssnake · 09/20/2009, 08:56 PM

does anyone have some suggestions/comments??

ande · 09/20/2009, 10:38 PM

I'd remove the toadstool from the system it is in now. My galaxea had similar problems (as well as a few other corals) until I took the toadstool with the necrotic tissue out. The toadstool is in a 125 gallon tank with a 40 gallon sump. There was at least two feet and several things in between the galaxea and toadstool. Within a few hours of removing the toadstool, the galaxea and other corals were much better off. The galaxea has been the longest to recover and still isn't back to it's normal condition.

Emilio84 · 09/20/2009, 10:40 PM

In my experience.. anything dying/rotting (especially something allelopathic) needs to get out of the tank ASAP or atleast into quarantine while it heals up.

Any pictures?

I would frag off the healthy parts and trash the rest. Can you cut the whole stalk off (or atleast everything that is dying/dead?).

es1887 · 09/20/2009, 10:44 PM

i would take it out. toadstools are notorious for their chemical warfare. one that is that large in that small of a tank will most likely cause problems for your stony corals. as far ast the tissue degeneration is concerned it can be caused from numerous conditions. obviously when corals stop doing so well the water quality is the first culprit. i would check the flow and make sure that it is getting enough so that it can shed its tissue well. maybe give it a dip in loguls solution that will stop the bacteria from cause the necrosis to get worse.

basssnake · 09/21/2009, 01:49 AM

I went ahead and removed it from the tank. I took it and fragged the whole thing except for the lower part of the stock. The lower part of the stock had a rough textured film which i think was a result of rotting. I fragged the whole top portion and a little down the stock where it looked to be ok. The rest of it is sitting in a cup of tank water til morning and i will decide its fate. I put the new frags in my really large system(about 250 gallon water capacity, 180 gallon tank, 100gallon rubbermaid sump, 45 gallon sump with about 400-500lbs of live rock). I got 10 frags total. Hopefully they will survive.

Is there anything i can do for the galaxea besides adding Vitamin C to help it regrow its tissue back?

Emilio84 · 09/21/2009, 02:20 AM

Do you run any chemical filtration? I am not sure how effective carbon is with aleopathic toxins but it never hurts to run carbon. Polyfilter http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_viewit...content=PB1111 might also help.

basssnake · 09/21/2009, 08:49 AM

I don't run any carbon since it can pull your good nutrients out of the water. I did notice this morning the galaxea is still getting worse. I don't see that any of the other corals(leathers, zoanthids, mushrooms, xenia, and gonipora) are being effected much if any.

BeanMachine · 09/21/2009, 03:38 PM

This may be a good time to run carbon, at least temporarily.

I had a buddies toadstool do this... reason being (another post mentioned) it grew to large and close to the glass, limiting the flow around it.

Now he's got a 12" toadstool with a 1" dia. hole in the center.

seapug · 09/21/2009, 03:48 PM

Done any water tests lately? At least check your calcium, alkalinity, and nitrate.

That's really the first place you should start if you are experiencing problems with multiple corals all at once.

If the toadstool is rotting at the base, cut it off and remove all necrotic areas with scissors or an exacto. You can literally cut the polyp head into slices like a pizza and start over. If the rotting continues, I'd toss the whole thing and avoid polluting your entire system.

Randys reef · 09/21/2009, 04:26 PM

toad stool
i had the same problem with my large toadstool. iwas told by a very good local reef store it was bactreial disaese.by the time i fiqure it out . ilost my todstool alarge torch 2 large hammers

windlasher · 09/21/2009, 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by basssnake
I have a toadstool that when at its best would open about 9 inches in diameter. He still opens about 6 or 7. Here is what is going on. For the last year or two, he has had a spot in the center that has been rotting away slowly. Sometimes it would heal back up, and then start to rot again. Now, it is getting worse and part of the stock(which was at least 4 inches in diameter) where it is attached has been rotting away. Most of what had him attached to my main rock in the tank is gone.

I have a galaxea coral just down current from him about maybe 8 inches away. The galaxea coral has been encrusting on a rock i had next to the galaxea for about the last 6 months. It was in good health until a few days ago. The heads are slowly dieing that have encrusted the rock(which is the closest to the toadstool, this rock is between the main galaxea and the toadstool). Each day i see a few more heads white and dead. The main galaxea coral doesn't have any dead heads yet. I don't want to loose my galaxea or the new growth part of it. Do you think this is because of the Toadstool disengrating?

Now, should i remove the Toadstool out of that system(85gallon)? Should i attempt to frag him and discard the rest of the carcass? He still opens up with his tenacles. Or should i just put him in my larger system(about 250 gallon water capacity, 180 gallon tank, 100gallon sump, 45 gallon sump, about 400 or 500lbs of live rock) and hope for the best? The water quality in the larger system i don't think is as good as the 85 though(haven't checked lately though).

Please advise. thanks

I had one like that - Eventually tossed it.

basssnake · 09/21/2009, 08:39 PM

I did end up fragging it and moving it to another tank.

The galaxea is still loosing heads on it. Could it be from the pollution from the toadstool or maybe the same bacteria that attacked the toadstool might be attacking the galaxea??

If it is the bacteria and not a pollution issue, what do i do? I don't have any coral dips, etc.

09/20/2009, 07:27 AM	#1
basssnake Registered Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Kansas Posts: 838	Toadstool dying.....have a few questions I have a toadstool that when at its best would open about 9 inches in diameter. He still opens about 6 or 7. Here is what is going on. For the last year or two, he has had a spot in the center that has been rotting away slowly. Sometimes it would heal back up, and then start to rot again. Now, it is getting worse and part of the stock(which was at least 4 inches in diameter) where it is attached has been rotting away. Most of what had him attached to my main rock in the tank is gone. I have a galaxea coral just down current from him about maybe 8 inches away. The galaxea coral has been encrusting on a rock i had next to the galaxea for about the last 6 months. It was in good health until a few days ago. The heads are slowly dieing that have encrusted the rock(which is the closest to the toadstool, this rock is between the main galaxea and the toadstool). Each day i see a few more heads white and dead. The main galaxea coral doesn't have any dead heads yet. I don't want to loose my galaxea or the new growth part of it. Do you think this is because of the Toadstool disengrating? Now, should i remove the Toadstool out of that system(85gallon)? Should i attempt to frag him and discard the rest of the carcass? He still opens up with his tenacles. Or should i just put him in my larger system(about 250 gallon water capacity, 180 gallon tank, 100gallon sump, 45 gallon sump, about 400 or 500lbs of live rock) and hope for the best? The water quality in the larger system i don't think is as good as the 85 though(haven't checked lately though). Please advise. thanks

09/20/2009, 10:44 PM	#11
es1887 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: boulder co Posts: 652	i would take it out. toadstools are notorious for their chemical warfare. one that is that large in that small of a tank will most likely cause problems for your stony corals. as far ast the tissue degeneration is concerned it can be caused from numerous conditions. obviously when corals stop doing so well the water quality is the first culprit. i would check the flow and make sure that it is getting enough so that it can shed its tissue well. maybe give it a dip in loguls solution that will stop the bacteria from cause the necrosis to get worse. __________________ "is it saltwater?" "yes." "the whole thing?!" -idiot Current Tank Info: 48x24x30 150, 2 400w 20k radium, 2 110w vhos, 2 mp40w, apex aqua controller, sro 5000 skimmer

09/21/2009, 03:48 PM	#16
seapug Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: 4980 ft. Posts: 7,954 Blog Entries: 1	Done any water tests lately? At least check your calcium, alkalinity, and nitrate. That's really the first place you should start if you are experiencing problems with multiple corals all at once. If the toadstool is rotting at the base, cut it off and remove all necrotic areas with scissors or an exacto. You can literally cut the polyp head into slices like a pizza and start over. If the rotting continues, I'd toss the whole thing and avoid polluting your entire system. __________________ insert clever saying here. Current Tank Info: 200 gallon custom Marineland DD peninsular tank. LPS dominated mixed reef. Previous 90 gallon mixed reef TOTM April 2009.

09/20/2009, 11:43 AM	#2
basssnake Registered Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Kansas Posts: 838	anyone have any input??

09/20/2009, 12:33 PM	#3
basssnake Registered Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Kansas Posts: 838	Please help me!!!! Not trying to be a pest here, but i really need to do something quick..........i want to do the best thing for all the corals and hopefully not loose anything(maybe even gain some if fragging the toadstool is the smart thing to do......).

09/20/2009, 02:19 PM	#4
basssnake Registered Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Kansas Posts: 838	Bump

09/20/2009, 04:24 PM	#5
ande Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 20	I had a similar problem with my large toadstool after adding a large colt coral. I cut the stock off above the rotted area and put the toadstool in quarantine for 2 weeks or so. It is doing much better now. It's now a short, very wide toadstool.

09/20/2009, 05:46 PM	#6
basssnake Registered Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Kansas Posts: 838	I could try that. The only problem in my situation is that the center is rotted out. It has been that way for a very very long time. A year or two. But, if i move the whole thing as is to my extra large system, i will cut the bottom of the stock off. Does anyone have anymore input on my situation? The loss of the galaxea coral is the thing that is bothering me most. I need to act quickly before i lose all the new growth. Please anyone.........reply

09/20/2009, 06:36 PM	#7
basssnake Registered Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Kansas Posts: 838	Anyone have some input??

09/20/2009, 08:56 PM	#8
basssnake Registered Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Kansas Posts: 838	does anyone have some suggestions/comments??

09/20/2009, 10:38 PM	#9
ande Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 20	I'd remove the toadstool from the system it is in now. My galaxea had similar problems (as well as a few other corals) until I took the toadstool with the necrotic tissue out. The toadstool is in a 125 gallon tank with a 40 gallon sump. There was at least two feet and several things in between the galaxea and toadstool. Within a few hours of removing the toadstool, the galaxea and other corals were much better off. The galaxea has been the longest to recover and still isn't back to it's normal condition.

09/20/2009, 10:40 PM	#10
Emilio84 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Rockland County, NY Posts: 48	In my experience.. anything dying/rotting (especially something allelopathic) needs to get out of the tank ASAP or atleast into quarantine while it heals up. Any pictures? I would frag off the healthy parts and trash the rest. Can you cut the whole stalk off (or atleast everything that is dying/dead?).

09/21/2009, 01:49 AM	#12
basssnake Registered Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Kansas Posts: 838	I went ahead and removed it from the tank. I took it and fragged the whole thing except for the lower part of the stock. The lower part of the stock had a rough textured film which i think was a result of rotting. I fragged the whole top portion and a little down the stock where it looked to be ok. The rest of it is sitting in a cup of tank water til morning and i will decide its fate. I put the new frags in my really large system(about 250 gallon water capacity, 180 gallon tank, 100gallon rubbermaid sump, 45 gallon sump with about 400-500lbs of live rock). I got 10 frags total. Hopefully they will survive. Is there anything i can do for the galaxea besides adding Vitamin C to help it regrow its tissue back?

09/21/2009, 02:20 AM	#13
Emilio84 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Rockland County, NY Posts: 48	Do you run any chemical filtration? I am not sure how effective carbon is with aleopathic toxins but it never hurts to run carbon. Polyfilter http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_viewit...content=PB1111 might also help.

09/21/2009, 08:49 AM	#14
basssnake Registered Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Kansas Posts: 838	I don't run any carbon since it can pull your good nutrients out of the water. I did notice this morning the galaxea is still getting worse. I don't see that any of the other corals(leathers, zoanthids, mushrooms, xenia, and gonipora) are being effected much if any.

09/21/2009, 03:38 PM	#15
BeanMachine Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Orange, CA Posts: 11,200	This may be a good time to run carbon, at least temporarily. I had a buddies toadstool do this... reason being (another post mentioned) it grew to large and close to the glass, limiting the flow around it. Now he's got a 12" toadstool with a 1" dia. hole in the center.

09/21/2009, 04:26 PM	#17
Randys reef Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: OHIO Posts: 38	toad stool i had the same problem with my large toadstool. iwas told by a very good local reef store it was bactreial disaese.by the time i fiqure it out . ilost my todstool alarge torch 2 large hammers

09/21/2009, 08:39 PM	#19
basssnake Registered Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Kansas Posts: 838	I did end up fragging it and moving it to another tank. The galaxea is still loosing heads on it. Could it be from the pollution from the toadstool or maybe the same bacteria that attacked the toadstool might be attacking the galaxea?? If it is the bacteria and not a pollution issue, what do i do? I don't have any coral dips, etc.