which PO4 remover to use? - Page 2

Logzor · 07/27/2008, 01:46 PM

Can I remove other media and turn a marineland canister filter into a phosban + carbon reactor? Using rowaphos and blackdiamond.

Peter Eichler · 07/27/2008, 02:39 PM

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Originally posted by fishnugget
Is the concensus that RowasPhos works better than any product from bulk reef supply?

No, in fact there's a good chance that many of these GFO products are from the same source. None of the aquarium companies are actually making their own GFO, they're getting it from someone else and sticking a label on it.

DNickell · 07/27/2008, 04:08 PM

Rowaphos comes already wet, which might raise some storage issues if you were not going to change your media often. The Bulk Reef Supply stuff comes dry. This saves weight on shipping, but also means you have to do a bit more rinsing to get the fines out before turning the outflow from your reactor back into your tank.

The Rowaphose is also much darker than the rust colored Bulk Reef Supply product. According to the information provided on the BRS web site (including a short video for how to use it and which size to use) it is the same stuff, just Ferric Oxide.

Maybe someone else knows the reason for the difference in color and why Rowaphose comes wet.

(Heller, I've lived in big cities and moved back to the family farm because I can't tolerate "city life." It is often less convenient, but an internet hook up and a credit card remedy much of that!)

Zann · 07/27/2008, 04:46 PM

i dont think rowaphos is just ferric oxide will have to look it up

padi200 · 07/27/2008, 04:50 PM

I used Phos Guard from SeaChem and it worked for me. Put it in a bag in my sump.

Zann · 07/27/2008, 05:05 PM

ok i did find a study on rowaphos and tfl phosban here it is
and to know it will drop your ph some is important also

http://www.advancedaquarist.com/issu...004/review.htm

The Saltman · 07/27/2008, 05:25 PM

GFO pellets from bulkreefsupply for me

padi200 · 07/27/2008, 05:54 PM

From the study above, it looks like there is not big difference!

sabbath · 07/27/2008, 06:32 PM

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Originally posted by abulgin
The best phosphate remover is Chaeto ;-)

I tried a 5.5g fuge for my 75g and po4 would not drop from .5ppm. Did keep no3 reading at zero thou.

GFO in a reactor and it dropped to a zero test reading in about 2 weeks.

Now I run GFO and a RDSB in the 5.5g

stevedola · 07/28/2008, 07:28 PM

how much do you guys suggest to use for a 90g with 10g sump? I dont want to go crazy and overdose. I was thinking 1/2 c to start with...what do you all think?

sabbath · 07/28/2008, 07:42 PM

I would just go with half of the recomended dose for the GFO that you chose, for the first time used.

cabrego · 07/28/2008, 09:07 PM

When I used rowaphos for about a month.

Every week I would clean the back to rid any gunk that was stuck in there.

After about a month of use, I could never get the rowaphos to rinse clean, it keep leeching red stuff. So i figured it had run out of gas, red liquid kept pouring out of the filter bag.

Anyone expericne this?

oscar.millan · 11/09/2009, 11:09 AM

I use rowa, but considering switching to reefbulksupply for the cost savings. I have mixed feelings about switching. "You get what you pay for," has typically been my mentality and it has held true for lots of products, equipment in the aquarium trade. I'm worried that this is yet another classic example of this notion.

I'll try bulkreefsupply and let you know. Currently using Kent prodcut, but as with any of the white phosphate removers, they leach back into your tank. Using it to drop the phosphates rapidly and to get rid it of it, since it had been sitting there for a while. Once I'm out, I'll never buy anything other than Ferric Oxide products.

P.S. ROWA is ferric oxide.

d2mini · 11/09/2009, 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by padi200

I used Phos Guard from SeaChem and it worked for me. Put it in a bag in my sump.

I do that exact thing and it doesn't do a darn thing for me.

That, or phosphates are not what's causing my HA.

Wolfmann81 · 01/09/2010, 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blazer88

I believe many people use the GFO stuff from bulkreefsupply.com and are happy with the results.

Is this the pellet stuff that people are referring to from bulkreefsupply?

http://www.bulkreefsupply.com/store/...ric-oxide.html

stanlalee · 01/09/2010, 02:56 PM

they all work so there's no point of trying to guess which one works absolutely best. warner marine phosar HC and bulk reef supply HC (both granulated) are by far the cleanest/least dustiest even compared to the wet ones (not that this even matters if you use a reactor and allow run off thru it during water changes). I cant say the HCs work better because I havent used any GFO that hasn't worked (and I change brands just about every purchase). I dont like pellets for reactor use. I cant see how/why this would be better for reactor use then granulated (bag or stationary use yes). the BRS are just pelletized version of the granules. same material. beyond that there are basically the wets(pura phoslock, Rowa, kent power phos ect) and the drys (BRS, phosban ect). ALL the wets claim there is some sort of performance advantage over the dry's in there literature. perhaps its true or maybe not. the good thing about GFO's is you can always compensate for a lack of performance by simply using more. if you dont have the best functioning GFO just use more. same difference.

I can tell you which one not to get for a reactor: Kent Power phos (not that it doesn't work). granule size is all over the place. there's no way to optimize flow when half of it is tiny granules (smaller than any of the other brands) which need low flow and half of it is large granules (larger than any other brand I've seen) that need substantial flow plus everything in between. this makes it by far the worse to use in a reactor. works okay bagged on the biocube media shelf though.

briangg57 · 01/09/2010, 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zann

ok i did find a study on rowaphos and tfl phosban here it is
and to know it will drop your ph some is important also

http://www.advancedaquarist.com/issu...004/review.htm

Thanks for the info. It was very interesting.

07/28/2008, 07:28 PM	#35
stevedola Master of my domain Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Rhode Island Posts: 3,466	how much do you guys suggest to use for a 90g with 10g sump? I dont want to go crazy and overdose. I was thinking 1/2 c to start with...what do you all think? __________________ Cool Club Current Tank Info: coming soon...

07/27/2008, 01:46 PM	#26
Logzor Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Kenwood, Ohio Posts: 4,073	Can I remove other media and turn a marineland canister filter into a phosban + carbon reactor? Using rowaphos and blackdiamond.

07/27/2008, 04:08 PM	#28
DNickell Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Kentucky Posts: 277	Rowaphos comes already wet, which might raise some storage issues if you were not going to change your media often. The Bulk Reef Supply stuff comes dry. This saves weight on shipping, but also means you have to do a bit more rinsing to get the fines out before turning the outflow from your reactor back into your tank. The Rowaphose is also much darker than the rust colored Bulk Reef Supply product. According to the information provided on the BRS web site (including a short video for how to use it and which size to use) it is the same stuff, just Ferric Oxide. Maybe someone else knows the reason for the difference in color and why Rowaphose comes wet. (Heller, I've lived in big cities and moved back to the family farm because I can't tolerate "city life." It is often less convenient, but an internet hook up and a credit card remedy much of that!)

07/27/2008, 04:46 PM	#29
Zann Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Southaven Ms Posts: 569	i dont think rowaphos is just ferric oxide will have to look it up

07/27/2008, 04:50 PM	#30
padi200 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: LA, CA Posts: 529	I used Phos Guard from SeaChem and it worked for me. Put it in a bag in my sump.

07/27/2008, 05:05 PM	#31
Zann Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Southaven Ms Posts: 569	ok i did find a study on rowaphos and tfl phosban here it is and to know it will drop your ph some is important also http://www.advancedaquarist.com/issu...004/review.htm

07/27/2008, 05:25 PM	#32
The Saltman Moved On Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Northwest Ohio Posts: 1,642	GFO pellets from bulkreefsupply for me

07/27/2008, 05:54 PM	#33
padi200 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: LA, CA Posts: 529	From the study above, it looks like there is not big difference!

07/28/2008, 07:42 PM	#36
sabbath Premium Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Twin City's Mn. Posts: 1,771	I would just go with half of the recomended dose for the GFO that you chose, for the first time used.

07/28/2008, 09:07 PM	#37
cabrego Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: McAllen,TX Posts: 720	When I used rowaphos for about a month. Every week I would clean the back to rid any gunk that was stuck in there. After about a month of use, I could never get the rowaphos to rinse clean, it keep leeching red stuff. So i figured it had run out of gas, red liquid kept pouring out of the filter bag. Anyone expericne this?

11/09/2009, 11:09 AM	#38
oscar.millan Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 2,003	I use rowa, but considering switching to reefbulksupply for the cost savings. I have mixed feelings about switching. "You get what you pay for," has typically been my mentality and it has held true for lots of products, equipment in the aquarium trade. I'm worried that this is yet another classic example of this notion. I'll try bulkreefsupply and let you know. Currently using Kent prodcut, but as with any of the white phosphate removers, they leach back into your tank. Using it to drop the phosphates rapidly and to get rid it of it, since it had been sitting there for a while. Once I'm out, I'll never buy anything other than Ferric Oxide products. P.S. ROWA is ferric oxide.

01/09/2010, 02:56 PM	#41
stanlalee Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: hampton roads, va Posts: 1,799	they all work so there's no point of trying to guess which one works absolutely best. warner marine phosar HC and bulk reef supply HC (both granulated) are by far the cleanest/least dustiest even compared to the wet ones (not that this even matters if you use a reactor and allow run off thru it during water changes). I cant say the HCs work better because I havent used any GFO that hasn't worked (and I change brands just about every purchase). I dont like pellets for reactor use. I cant see how/why this would be better for reactor use then granulated (bag or stationary use yes). the BRS are just pelletized version of the granules. same material. beyond that there are basically the wets(pura phoslock, Rowa, kent power phos ect) and the drys (BRS, phosban ect). ALL the wets claim there is some sort of performance advantage over the dry's in there literature. perhaps its true or maybe not. the good thing about GFO's is you can always compensate for a lack of performance by simply using more. if you dont have the best functioning GFO just use more. same difference. I can tell you which one not to get for a reactor: Kent Power phos (not that it doesn't work). granule size is all over the place. there's no way to optimize flow when half of it is tiny granules (smaller than any of the other brands) which need low flow and half of it is large granules (larger than any other brand I've seen) that need substantial flow plus everything in between. this makes it by far the worse to use in a reactor. works okay bagged on the biocube media shelf though.