Wanna hear from the fish poice...

SATAN FISH · 02/06/2010, 09:30 PM

I am going to set up a standard 55 gallon tank soon as a fish only tank. I was wondering if a dwarf lion and a niger trigger by them selves would be to much for that tank, or if I should just stick to the dwarf lion. Or are the dwarf lion and the trigger not even compatible at all?

Also, since this is going to be a fish only tank, what is the lowest salinity level I can keep the tank at? Is 1.022 or 1.021 ok, or is that to close to hypo salinity levels for it to be good for the fish? Is there a benefit to keeping the salinity at 1.026 or are lower levels like that fine for fish only?

EDIT: Sorry, the thread title was obviously supposed to say fish police...

N-dog · 02/06/2010, 09:33 PM

both hypo, and hyper can be bad for fish but I find they both can keep diseases away

miztahphong2 · 02/06/2010, 09:50 PM

i dont see any issues with keeping the two fish together. ive actually seen quite a few aquariums with triggers and lions. both are predatory fish. issue may be the niger trigger size. it wouldnt be good to see the niger trigger somehow inside of the dwarf lions mouth!

teesquare · 02/06/2010, 09:53 PM

Long term exposure to higher - or lower than natural salinities is something that makes no sense to me....
I mean - they live in the ocean at a rather narrow range of salinity for a reason.......

For a short term treatment - sure lowering the salinity may alleviate some symptoms- especially with parasitic infestation.
Hyper saliniy - is a sure way to stress and over-work the fishes kidneys.
I would recommend you think about keeping the salinity in the range of natural envirements for the fish.
T

SATAN FISH · 02/06/2010, 10:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by teesquare

Long term exposure to higher - or lower than natural salinities is something that makes no sense to me....
I mean - they live in the ocean at a rather narrow range of salinity for a reason.......

For a short term treatment - sure lowering the salinity may alleviate some symptoms- especially with parasitic infestation.
Hyper saliniy - is a sure way to stress and over-work the fishes kidneys.
I would recommend you think about keeping the salinity in the range of natural envirements for the fish.
T

Fair enough.

nikon187 · 02/06/2010, 10:45 PM

A niger will only work in that tank if very small and for only a short period of time. They get longer than a 55 is wide and just get too big.

Octoshark · 02/06/2010, 10:57 PM

55 is too small for a niger trigger.

iluzhun · 02/07/2010, 12:42 AM

I had a dwarf lion, niger trigger, and snowflake eel n a 72 bow front for a while with no problem.

SATAN FISH · 02/07/2010, 12:09 PM

Alright, Niger to small for a 55 gallon. Would the dwarf lion be ok then? I would like to have two fish in there, but do not want to be cruel to the fish either. If that means one fish then so be it.

sharky's machin · 02/07/2010, 12:37 PM

Triggers and Lionfish are not compatable. There is a sticky thread on the Aggressive fish forum. Never had them personally, but read the thread.

Pufferpunk · 02/07/2010, 02:43 PM

I think a Dwarf lion & a Sharp-nosed puffer would make a great combo for in there. Be sure to make some shelves out of rocks, as lions tend to hang out under them--puffers like caves.

02/06/2010, 09:30 PM	#1
SATAN FISH Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Denver CO Posts: 206	Wanna hear from the fish poice... I am going to set up a standard 55 gallon tank soon as a fish only tank. I was wondering if a dwarf lion and a niger trigger by them selves would be to much for that tank, or if I should just stick to the dwarf lion. Or are the dwarf lion and the trigger not even compatible at all? Also, since this is going to be a fish only tank, what is the lowest salinity level I can keep the tank at? Is 1.022 or 1.021 ok, or is that to close to hypo salinity levels for it to be good for the fish? Is there a benefit to keeping the salinity at 1.026 or are lower levels like that fine for fish only? EDIT: Sorry, the thread title was obviously supposed to say fish police... __________________ _____________________________________________________ 125gal 6ft tank, 20gal refugium, ETSS sump bud 60 250w MH 15k x 3 39w T5 actinic x 8 170lbs live rock Pacific blue tang Yellow tang Ocellaris clowns, one black, one orange Six line wrasse Fire fish Fire shrimp Royal Gramma Purple psudochromis Starry Blenny Mostly LPS and softies. One yellow turbinaria Current Tank Info: Reef tank going since June 09 Last edited by SATAN FISH; 02/06/2010 at 09:39 PM.

02/06/2010, 09:53 PM	#4
teesquare Coral Curmudgeon Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: western NC Posts: 1,663	Long term exposure to higher - or lower than natural salinities is something that makes no sense to me.... I mean - they live in the ocean at a rather narrow range of salinity for a reason....... For a short term treatment - sure lowering the salinity may alleviate some symptoms- especially with parasitic infestation. Hyper saliniy - is a sure way to stress and over-work the fishes kidneys. I would recommend you think about keeping the salinity in the range of natural envirements for the fish. T __________________ No....really honey, it was a gift! Current Tank Info: 700 gallon combined reef/frag systems - 650gal Cichlid system

02/06/2010, 10:45 PM	#6
nikon187 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Edmonton Alberta Posts: 4,717	A niger will only work in that tank if very small and for only a short period of time. They get longer than a 55 is wide and just get too big. __________________ ----------------- Current Tanks: New 210 custom 84 x 24 x 24, 60g sump, SWC 250 extreme with bubble blaster 5000, 2 vortech mp40, 2 vortech mp10, 12 T5, Water blaster 5000, warner marine bio pellets, 60g clownfish cube, red carpet anemone with a 25g sump,SRO octopus 1000sss, 250w radium, lumenarc large.

02/06/2010, 10:57 PM	#7
Octoshark Marine Biology Student Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: California Posts: 1,366	55 is too small for a niger trigger. __________________ "Obstacles are those frightful things you see when you take your eyes off your goal."

02/07/2010, 12:42 AM	#8
iluzhun Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: under a rock Posts: 157	I had a dwarf lion, niger trigger, and snowflake eel n a 72 bow front for a while with no problem. __________________ The truth only hurts when you hear it from someone else There are times when the only choices you have left are bad ones That's not a unicorn.. It's a donkey with a plunger stuck to it's face Current Tank Info: filled with salt water

02/06/2010, 09:33 PM	#2
N-dog Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 314	both hypo, and hyper can be bad for fish but I find they both can keep diseases away

02/06/2010, 09:50 PM	#3
miztahphong2 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 53	i dont see any issues with keeping the two fish together. ive actually seen quite a few aquariums with triggers and lions. both are predatory fish. issue may be the niger trigger size. it wouldnt be good to see the niger trigger somehow inside of the dwarf lions mouth!

02/07/2010, 12:09 PM	#9
SATAN FISH Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Denver CO Posts: 206	Alright, Niger to small for a 55 gallon. Would the dwarf lion be ok then? I would like to have two fish in there, but do not want to be cruel to the fish either. If that means one fish then so be it. __________________ _____________________________________________________ 125gal 6ft tank, 20gal refugium, ETSS sump bud 60 250w MH 15k x 3 39w T5 actinic x 8 170lbs live rock Pacific blue tang Yellow tang Ocellaris clowns, one black, one orange Six line wrasse Fire fish Fire shrimp Royal Gramma Purple psudochromis Starry Blenny Mostly LPS and softies. One yellow turbinaria Current Tank Info: Reef tank going since June 09

02/07/2010, 12:37 PM	#10
sharky's machin Registered Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Simi Valley, CA Posts: 585	Triggers and Lionfish are not compatable. There is a sticky thread on the Aggressive fish forum. Never had them personally, but read the thread.

02/07/2010, 02:43 PM	#11
Pufferpunk Moved On Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Franklin Park, IL Posts: 21,027	I think a Dwarf lion & a Sharp-nosed puffer would make a great combo for in there. Be sure to make some shelves out of rocks, as lions tend to hang out under them--puffers like caves.