Startin my new 180 G fish bowl... - Page 16

kar93 · 05/18/2008, 02:17 PM

Looks good, Chunks is so cool.

jnarowe · 05/18/2008, 04:18 PM

Chunks rocks!

shullat · 02/23/2009, 10:42 AM

Can't believe it's nearly been a year since my last post. Work has kept me extremely busy to the point where I just feed the fish, clean the skimmer cup, clean the glass and top off whenever i hear that annoying gurgling sound from the return pump.

But I had enough of it, resigned and now am off for around a month till I start the new job... and with so much time on my hands i decided to redecorate the house and the best part is im starting a new tank

very pleased with that. I will be receiving it this evening. Already went out to get live sand this morning directly from the sea. I had to drive a 100km out as the beaches around town are full of litter. The tank is smaller, actually half the size practically, total water volume will be 120G. I'll be using all the equipment that is currently oon the big tank which will be more than enough on a smaller tank. Oh and that of course means bye bye 210G. Pictures to come soon

jnarowe · 02/23/2009, 12:08 PM

what a strange turn of events! So why did you decide to go smaller?

shullat · 02/23/2009, 11:10 PM

just to ease my life a bit more I guess, maybe another mistake I'm making. I received it yesterday evening though 3 hours late. Cabinet is made entirely out of some form of plastic so I should have less problems than with the current stand.

Today will be a long day:
Have to move everything to my 55G
Empty and clean the 210G and all the equipment
Repaint the wall behind where the tank used to sit.
Resize the light canopy, don't know how long that will take.
Place the new tank and fill ...
OR I may just wait till 2010 have eeything sit there and just go dive today.

jnarowe · 02/24/2009, 11:11 AM

either one sounds good!

Where are you diving?

shullat · 02/25/2009, 09:46 AM

so here is the very simple sump I'm having made, should accomodate my skimmer and the return pump. Ill hook up the osmolator also. I sold off my calcium reactor last week.

jnarowe · 02/25/2009, 10:31 AM

Hey Nick, do you really feel you need the baffles? Or both baffles? My concern is that it is so darn hard to clean between them and that just one may be enough to force bubbles to the surface anyway. It seems that we have been programmed to build sumps with all sorts of baffles, boxes, etc., but IMO all that does is limit space, limit the size of any equipment, limit flexibility, and make it much more difficult to keep clean.

In th ecase of your sump (nice sketch BTW), where your return pump draws from the bottom, wouldn't just one baffle to the bottom that forces water over the top be enough?

gkarshens · 02/25/2009, 03:03 PM

Wouldn't be better to force water under since the bubbles rise?

jnarowe · 02/25/2009, 03:29 PM

Not the way I see it. If you force the water under, won't some bubbles go with it? This is why "traps" became so popular, but I think with some testing, you could come up with something better. For me, all they trap is crap. If there is enough horizontal movement, then water and bubbles would go over th etop. The bubbles stay on top and pop. Then you draw from the bottom.

Some people do away with the baffle completely and just have the water run from the tank pipe into a submerged bucket, which forces all the bubbles to th esurface, then again, drawing return water from down low.

With the space allowed for mine, I just have two sumps connected by pipes down low, so that does mirror your suggestion Gabriel, in that most of the bubbles go to the top. Because of the size I have sump-wise, I get zero bubbles back into the display, even though I have water cascading into my "return" side sump.

But I digress. Size does matter, and another very effective measure is to have the water pass through a filter floss shelf, giving some mechanical filtration while breaking up th eair bubbles. Again, I only comment because the original design looks to me like it will be very difficult to clean and keep detritus out of it.

shullat · 02/25/2009, 04:36 PM

it's actually over and under, the only reson I'm keeping two baffles is to be able to place some filter floss and force the water through for mechanical filtration and presumably less bubbles coming into the last compartment. Originally i was going to go with just one.

shullat · 03/01/2009, 11:00 AM

sump ordered on thursday will be ready by tomorrow or tuesday. Keep this thread alive, or kill it and start a fresh new one?

gkarshens · 03/01/2009, 11:07 AM

I would start a new one since it isn't really a 180 g fishbowl anymore.

jnarowe · 03/01/2009, 03:02 PM

awe man...

syedjilani · 03/22/2010, 06:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shullat

sump ordered on thursday will be ready by tomorrow or tuesday. Keep this thread alive, or kill it and start a fresh new one?

Any new photos, any update?????

Uncle Salty 05 · 03/22/2010, 07:34 AM

In the photo above with the blue tang it looks like there is a surface film on the water that is probably inhibiting gas exchange/oxygenation.
I thinks some more turbulence on the surface would help with that.

Also if you have good relectors for your 400 MH's with lenses there is no need for a canopy unless you intend to keep jumpers.
If you go with 14K bulbs you will not need any actinics.

05/18/2008, 04:18 PM	#377
jnarowe Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Poulsbo, WA Posts: 14,710	Chunks rocks! __________________ Jonathan--Recovering Tankaholic. Current Tank Info: 70g fresh planted

02/23/2009, 10:42 AM	#378
shullat Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: in exil Posts: 588	Can't believe it's nearly been a year since my last post. Work has kept me extremely busy to the point where I just feed the fish, clean the skimmer cup, clean the glass and top off whenever i hear that annoying gurgling sound from the return pump. But I had enough of it, resigned and now am off for around a month till I start the new job... and with so much time on my hands i decided to redecorate the house and the best part is im starting a new tank very pleased with that. I will be receiving it this evening. Already went out to get live sand this morning directly from the sea. I had to drive a 100km out as the beaches around town are full of litter. The tank is smaller, actually half the size practically, total water volume will be 120G. I'll be using all the equipment that is currently oon the big tank which will be more than enough on a smaller tank. Oh and that of course means bye bye 210G. Pictures to come soon __________________ Nick Current Tank Info: a small fishbowl

02/23/2009, 12:08 PM	#379
jnarowe Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Poulsbo, WA Posts: 14,710	what a strange turn of events! So why did you decide to go smaller? __________________ Jonathan--Recovering Tankaholic. Current Tank Info: 70g fresh planted

02/23/2009, 11:10 PM	#380
shullat Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: in exil Posts: 588	just to ease my life a bit more I guess, maybe another mistake I'm making. I received it yesterday evening though 3 hours late. Cabinet is made entirely out of some form of plastic so I should have less problems than with the current stand. Today will be a long day: Have to move everything to my 55G Empty and clean the 210G and all the equipment Repaint the wall behind where the tank used to sit. Resize the light canopy, don't know how long that will take. Place the new tank and fill ... OR I may just wait till 2010 have eeything sit there and just go dive today. __________________ Nick Current Tank Info: a small fishbowl

02/24/2009, 11:11 AM	#381
jnarowe Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Poulsbo, WA Posts: 14,710	either one sounds good! Where are you diving? __________________ Jonathan--Recovering Tankaholic. Current Tank Info: 70g fresh planted

05/18/2008, 02:17 PM	#376
kar93 Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Lincoln Posts: 5,521	Looks good, Chunks is so cool.

02/25/2009, 09:46 AM	#382
shullat Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: in exil Posts: 588	so here is the very simple sump I'm having made, should accomodate my skimmer and the return pump. Ill hook up the osmolator also. I sold off my calcium reactor last week. __________________ Nick Current Tank Info: a small fishbowl

02/25/2009, 10:31 AM	#383
jnarowe Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Poulsbo, WA Posts: 14,710	Hey Nick, do you really feel you need the baffles? Or both baffles? My concern is that it is so darn hard to clean between them and that just one may be enough to force bubbles to the surface anyway. It seems that we have been programmed to build sumps with all sorts of baffles, boxes, etc., but IMO all that does is limit space, limit the size of any equipment, limit flexibility, and make it much more difficult to keep clean. In th ecase of your sump (nice sketch BTW), where your return pump draws from the bottom, wouldn't just one baffle to the bottom that forces water over the top be enough? __________________ Jonathan--Recovering Tankaholic. Current Tank Info: 70g fresh planted

02/25/2009, 03:03 PM	#384
gkarshens Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Corona, CA Posts: 2,382	Wouldn't be better to force water under since the bubbles rise? __________________ Gabriel It's about time!

02/25/2009, 03:29 PM	#385
jnarowe Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Poulsbo, WA Posts: 14,710	Not the way I see it. If you force the water under, won't some bubbles go with it? This is why "traps" became so popular, but I think with some testing, you could come up with something better. For me, all they trap is crap. If there is enough horizontal movement, then water and bubbles would go over th etop. The bubbles stay on top and pop. Then you draw from the bottom. Some people do away with the baffle completely and just have the water run from the tank pipe into a submerged bucket, which forces all the bubbles to th esurface, then again, drawing return water from down low. With the space allowed for mine, I just have two sumps connected by pipes down low, so that does mirror your suggestion Gabriel, in that most of the bubbles go to the top. Because of the size I have sump-wise, I get zero bubbles back into the display, even though I have water cascading into my "return" side sump. But I digress. Size does matter, and another very effective measure is to have the water pass through a filter floss shelf, giving some mechanical filtration while breaking up th eair bubbles. Again, I only comment because the original design looks to me like it will be very difficult to clean and keep detritus out of it. __________________ Jonathan--Recovering Tankaholic. Current Tank Info: 70g fresh planted

02/25/2009, 04:36 PM	#386
shullat Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: in exil Posts: 588	it's actually over and under, the only reson I'm keeping two baffles is to be able to place some filter floss and force the water through for mechanical filtration and presumably less bubbles coming into the last compartment. Originally i was going to go with just one. __________________ Nick Current Tank Info: a small fishbowl

03/01/2009, 11:00 AM	#387
shullat Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: in exil Posts: 588	sump ordered on thursday will be ready by tomorrow or tuesday. Keep this thread alive, or kill it and start a fresh new one? __________________ Nick Current Tank Info: a small fishbowl

03/01/2009, 11:07 AM	#388
gkarshens Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Corona, CA Posts: 2,382	I would start a new one since it isn't really a 180 g fishbowl anymore. __________________ Gabriel It's about time!

03/01/2009, 03:02 PM	#389
jnarowe Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Poulsbo, WA Posts: 14,710	awe man... __________________ Jonathan--Recovering Tankaholic. Current Tank Info: 70g fresh planted

03/22/2010, 07:34 AM	#391
Uncle Salty 05 Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: South Florida Posts: 3,799	In the photo above with the blue tang it looks like there is a surface film on the water that is probably inhibiting gas exchange/oxygenation. I thinks some more turbulence on the surface would help with that. Also if you have good relectors for your 400 MH's with lenses there is no need for a canopy unless you intend to keep jumpers. If you go with 14K bulbs you will not need any actinics. __________________ In all that I endure, of one thing I am sure. Knowledge and reason, change like the season. A jester's promenade. - Kerry Livgren Current Tank Info: 180 gal reef tank with dual attached refugiums 20 long and 10 gallon. Plus 55 gallon True Percula breeding tank.