garlic

Jarred1 · 03/29/2010, 06:55 AM

what kind of garlic juice do you use to add to your fish food? and how much should you add to a cube of food?

slosht · 03/29/2010, 08:18 AM

I use Kent's garlic extreme is what its called (i think) 1-2 drops with the eye dropper included.

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Chiefsurfer · 03/29/2010, 08:20 AM

why are you adding garlic? I only ask because of what I read earlier this morning. It's in a thread down the page in this forum, about how to fight ich. It actually shows that garlic really did not show any differance in health or much in the way of appetite stimulant.

When I made my food, although I am not using the food I made, I added garlic juice from the jar of minced garlic that I got at the grocery store.

lordofthereef · 03/29/2010, 09:35 AM

I have also scoured for information that garlic does anything to help fight a thing off. In fact I actually read that fish can have liver problems if fed garlic frequently.Some people swear by it, but rarely, if ever, do they have any sort of scientific methods to back it up. Saying the fish got better feeding it garlic is not really a controlled test. It may have gotten better without it! That said, not wanting to get into a debate on that. People will do what they will. If you want to add garlic, I would just blend my own up. The stuff in the bottle is pretty dilute (compared to what you can make yourself) and is outrageously priced. The DIY mix I use has garlic in it, largely because I get it from my local club and they add it in with a slew of other goodies.

returnofsid · 03/29/2010, 10:57 AM

Garlic has absolutely NO health or immunity benefit, with Marine Fish. It's been shown to "POSSIBLY" benefit Fresh water fish, and the myth of it's benefits to Marine Fish stems from there.

http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2003-1...ture/index.php
http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2005-10/sp/index.php

IMO, an article needs to be stickied. This is the 4th time I've personally posted this, in the past 24 hours.

slosht · 03/29/2010, 11:01 AM

I was just adding it occasionally as an appetite stimulant, not sure if it works in that regard.

Chiefsurfer · 03/29/2010, 11:09 AM

no great way to either prove or disprove that in a scientific study, just normal observations. Some think so, some don't.

If your fish will eat without it, best left out, as the study i referenced above actually shows a slight decrease in fish weight, and definite liver damage.

Michael · 03/29/2010, 12:21 PM

yes chiefs correct, a study carried out proved 62% of clowns out of 50 in a tank fed garlic suffered liver damage, it was 68% with ginger and normal livers were observerd with normal foods, fwiw squid oil was considered a complete success due to the extra calories, fish growth and health was considered very good with fish oils.

travis32 · 03/29/2010, 03:01 PM

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fish growth and health was considered very good with fish oils.

Do you have any idea how silly that statement is. LOL.. Fish need to take fish oil? Sorry, I just found that incredibly hillarious! Thanks for making my Monday.
Just to add to this, would people benefit from people oils?

keto · 03/29/2010, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by travis32

Do you have any idea how silly that statement is. LOL.. Fish need to take fish oil? Sorry, I just found that incredibly hillarious! Thanks for making my Monday.
Just to add to this, would people benefit from people oils?

Manwolf · 03/29/2010, 09:21 PM

i read that research as well, very interesting

jbird69 · 03/29/2010, 09:38 PM

I have to say, if you do enough tests you will get varrying results LOL. "Recent studies have shown..."

Way back when, when I researched marine fish and ich, I read many studies done on many different potential cures. Among them was the resounding success of the use of garlic. Not only for ich but for other afflictions as well. Its simply an immunity booster.

I have used it a few times over the last 10 years if I saw fish showing ANY sign of gill rubbing or velvet or whitespot with very high survival rates. Perhaps they wouldve survived without it, but now theyre telling us that its actually BAD for fish?

Personally, Im a strong believer in garlic and will continue to use it if necessary.

Michael · 03/29/2010, 11:47 PM

well im only passing on information from a scientist who has done some tests using it, if its working for you then i think thats great, and many aquarists believe it has some health benefits, the food manufactures have certainely jumped on the garlic bandwagon, enhancing many foods with it to get sales, if you cant get fish out of a dt into a qt to treat whitespot and treat the fish in the dt with garlic and get success then who cares really, i think this subject will always have pros and cons.

Michael · 03/29/2010, 11:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by travis32

Do you have any idea how silly that statement is. LOL.. Fish need to take fish oil? Sorry, I just found that incredibly hillarious! Thanks for making my Monday.
Just to add to this, would people benefit from people oils?

very good very funny as well.

Mounda · 03/30/2010, 09:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael

yes chiefs correct, a study carried out proved 62% of clowns out of 50 in a tank fed garlic suffered liver damage, it was 68% with ginger and normal livers were observerd with normal foods, fwiw squid oil was considered a complete success due to the extra calories, fish growth and health was considered very good with fish oils.

But even with that kind of research there are many variables to be taken into consideration. Form of garlic they used, the amount consumed by the fish, water parameters. For all we know the liver damage rate may be 100% but the less dominant fish didn't get a chance to feed on it. Or maybe its toxic at a high dose displayed by the fish that ate too much ?

I'd love garlic to be beneficial, I have no clue if it is or not but as far as I'm concerned it's pretty good for humans.

Michael · 03/30/2010, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Mounda

But even with that kind of research there are many variables to be taken into consideration. Form of garlic they used, the amount consumed by the fish, water parameters. For all we know the liver damage rate may be 100% but the less dominant fish didn't get a chance to feed on it. Or maybe its toxic at a high dose displayed by the fish that ate too much ?

I'd love garlic to be beneficial, I have no clue if it is or not but as far as I'm concerned it's pretty good for humans.

yeah your right, im just passing on info, but its pretty good info, and i like it in meatballs.

Michael · 03/30/2010, 10:11 AM

heres a good thread on the subject,steven pro is involved somewhere as well

http://www.ultimatereef.net/forums/s...d.php?t=230961

Mounda · 03/30/2010, 12:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by returnofsid

garlic has absolutely no health or immunity benefit, with marine fish. It's been shown to "possibly" benefit fresh water fish, and the myth of it's benefits to marine fish stems from there.

http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2003-1...ture/index.php
http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2005-10/sp/index.php

imo, an article needs to be stickied. This is the 4th time i've personally posted this, in the past 24 hours.

+1

Jarred1 · 03/30/2010, 01:16 PM

thanks for the help i guess ill just leave the garlic out!

03/29/2010, 06:55 AM	#1
Jarred1 Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: West Palm Beach, FL Posts: 1,262	garlic what kind of garlic juice do you use to add to your fish food? and how much should you add to a cube of food?

03/29/2010, 08:18 AM	#2
slosht Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: clinton twp Posts: 175	Re: garlic I use Kent's garlic extreme is what its called (i think) 1-2 drops with the eye dropper included. Sent from my Droid using Tapatalk

03/29/2010, 08:20 AM	#3
Chiefsurfer Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Seaside Park, NJ Posts: 2,138	why are you adding garlic? I only ask because of what I read earlier this morning. It's in a thread down the page in this forum, about how to fight ich. It actually shows that garlic really did not show any differance in health or much in the way of appetite stimulant. When I made my food, although I am not using the food I made, I added garlic juice from the jar of minced garlic that I got at the grocery store. __________________ Chief Current Tank: 20 Gallon tall, 4-bulb t5 HO, Eshopps psk75H, ac-70 fuge. So far, green clown goby, striped goby, more gorillas than I wish I had, 5 SPS frags, 3 LPS Frags, 1 Softee, Turkey Wing Clam. Plan for the future: 120 gallon 4ft glass tank. Current Tank Info: 20 gallon tall Reef Tank

03/29/2010, 09:35 AM	#4
lordofthereef One reef to rule them all Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Leominster, MA Posts: 5,299	I have also scoured for information that garlic does anything to help fight a thing off. In fact I actually read that fish can have liver problems if fed garlic frequently.Some people swear by it, but rarely, if ever, do they have any sort of scientific methods to back it up. Saying the fish got better feeding it garlic is not really a controlled test. It may have gotten better without it! That said, not wanting to get into a debate on that. People will do what they will. If you want to add garlic, I would just blend my own up. The stuff in the bottle is pretty dilute (compared to what you can make yourself) and is outrageously priced. The DIY mix I use has garlic in it, largely because I get it from my local club and they add it in with a slew of other goodies. __________________ "A dog is the only thing on earth that loves you more than you love yourself" ~ Josh Billings Visit My Home page for current build thread (click my user name and select "Visit LordoftheReef's Homepage" in the drop down menu!

03/29/2010, 11:09 AM	#7
Chiefsurfer Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Seaside Park, NJ Posts: 2,138	no great way to either prove or disprove that in a scientific study, just normal observations. Some think so, some don't. If your fish will eat without it, best left out, as the study i referenced above actually shows a slight decrease in fish weight, and definite liver damage. __________________ Chief Current Tank: 20 Gallon tall, 4-bulb t5 HO, Eshopps psk75H, ac-70 fuge. So far, green clown goby, striped goby, more gorillas than I wish I had, 5 SPS frags, 3 LPS Frags, 1 Softee, Turkey Wing Clam. Plan for the future: 120 gallon 4ft glass tank. Current Tank Info: 20 gallon tall Reef Tank

03/29/2010, 10:57 AM	#5
returnofsid Registered Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Spokane, WA Posts: 3,852	Garlic has absolutely NO health or immunity benefit, with Marine Fish. It's been shown to "POSSIBLY" benefit Fresh water fish, and the myth of it's benefits to Marine Fish stems from there. http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2003-1...ture/index.php http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2005-10/sp/index.php IMO, an article needs to be stickied. This is the 4th time I've personally posted this, in the past 24 hours.

03/29/2010, 11:01 AM	#6
slosht Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: clinton twp Posts: 175	I was just adding it occasionally as an appetite stimulant, not sure if it works in that regard.

03/29/2010, 12:21 PM	#8
Michael NTTH Rookie Help Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Gloucester, England,UK Posts: 7,808 Blog Entries: 6	yes chiefs correct, a study carried out proved 62% of clowns out of 50 in a tank fed garlic suffered liver damage, it was 68% with ginger and normal livers were observerd with normal foods, fwiw squid oil was considered a complete success due to the extra calories, fish growth and health was considered very good with fish oils. __________________ Don't be afraid to ask questions, we in the new to the hobby are here to help you [For My Tank Spec,Photo Album,Articles and website, click on my name] MY Very Kindest and Warmest Regards , MIKE Current Tank Info: I have a 92 gal Corner Tank, and way too many pieces of equipment to list really, (proud member of the reef central corner club)

03/29/2010, 09:21 PM	#11
Manwolf Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Buffalo Grove Posts: 391	i read that research as well, very interesting

03/29/2010, 09:38 PM	#12
jbird69 Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: The beautiful State of Jefferson Posts: 2,751	I have to say, if you do enough tests you will get varrying results LOL. "Recent studies have shown..." Way back when, when I researched marine fish and ich, I read many studies done on many different potential cures. Among them was the resounding success of the use of garlic. Not only for ich but for other afflictions as well. Its simply an immunity booster. I have used it a few times over the last 10 years if I saw fish showing ANY sign of gill rubbing or velvet or whitespot with very high survival rates. Perhaps they wouldve survived without it, but now theyre telling us that its actually BAD for fish? Personally, Im a strong believer in garlic and will continue to use it if necessary. __________________ Broke Back Mountain is not a movie, its the pile of dead ninjas in Chuck Norris' back yard

03/29/2010, 11:47 PM	#13
Michael NTTH Rookie Help Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Gloucester, England,UK Posts: 7,808 Blog Entries: 6	well im only passing on information from a scientist who has done some tests using it, if its working for you then i think thats great, and many aquarists believe it has some health benefits, the food manufactures have certainely jumped on the garlic bandwagon, enhancing many foods with it to get sales, if you cant get fish out of a dt into a qt to treat whitespot and treat the fish in the dt with garlic and get success then who cares really, i think this subject will always have pros and cons. __________________ Don't be afraid to ask questions, we in the new to the hobby are here to help you [For My Tank Spec,Photo Album,Articles and website, click on my name] MY Very Kindest and Warmest Regards , MIKE Current Tank Info: I have a 92 gal Corner Tank, and way too many pieces of equipment to list really, (proud member of the reef central corner club)

03/30/2010, 10:11 AM	#17
Michael NTTH Rookie Help Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Gloucester, England,UK Posts: 7,808 Blog Entries: 6	heres a good thread on the subject,steven pro is involved somewhere as well http://www.ultimatereef.net/forums/s...d.php?t=230961 __________________ Don't be afraid to ask questions, we in the new to the hobby are here to help you [For My Tank Spec,Photo Album,Articles and website, click on my name] MY Very Kindest and Warmest Regards , MIKE Current Tank Info: I have a 92 gal Corner Tank, and way too many pieces of equipment to list really, (proud member of the reef central corner club)

03/30/2010, 01:16 PM	#19
Jarred1 Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: West Palm Beach, FL Posts: 1,262	thanks for the help i guess ill just leave the garlic out!