sump help quick!!!

rayn · 04/25/2010, 02:35 PM

Me being the idiot noob I am built a sump to big to fit under my tank. However, my wife being the understanding woman she is says "just put it off to the side." So my question..... If my tank is on one wall and the sump is 90 degrees to the side, will the overflow still work into the sump and the return back to the tank?

Threelittlefish · 04/25/2010, 02:40 PM

All about the FAIL boat. It's about to set sail. Toot Toot!

Shane Hoffman · 04/25/2010, 02:41 PM

Yes it will work fine as long as the water is always flowing down hill to the sump.

Is the sump to big to fit under the stand or are you saying it wont fit throught he doors of the stand?

billdogg · 04/25/2010, 02:41 PM

yup
as long as it's below the DT, you will be fine as long as there is still gravity to get it down, and a pump to return it. :-)

reef_keeper · 04/25/2010, 02:42 PM

you should be fine i had a sump running just like this for over a year!

usctrack · 04/25/2010, 02:42 PM

It should. There are many people on here with the sumps and fuges in other rooms or the basement. You will have to do some creative plumbing and make sure your pump can handle the head load to cover the distance but I think you are ok. Just my $.02.

Sk8r · 04/25/2010, 02:43 PM

downhill is what matters. Mine is 15 feet to the side and downstairs from the tank. Literally---it's in the basement. The only thing that will matter is if your pump is potent enough to get it back to the tank.

rayn · 04/25/2010, 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shane Hoffman

Yes it will work fine as long as the water is always flowing down hill to the sump.

Is the sump to big to fit under the stand or are you saying it wont fit throught he doors of the stand?

It won't even fit under the stand. Thought I got one that would....oops. I believe the pump will work, if not I'll get a bigger one tomorrow and have it all plumbed today.

Thanks everyone for the quick replies!!!!!!!!!

reef_keeper · 04/25/2010, 03:01 PM

what size tank and sump do you have?

rayn · 04/25/2010, 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by reef_keeper

what size tank and sump do you have?

55 gal dt with a 20l sump Thought I measured and it would fit, oh well, plumbed now and trying it soon.

flyline · 04/25/2010, 04:37 PM

i got a sump too big for my stand too lol im not sure this will work for you but i took out the cross brace in the middle of the stand and slid it in and put the brace back in..in my opinion the center brace is even stronger than before it was only held in by a couple of staples i used some screws to lock it in.....hope this helps you out

rayn · 04/25/2010, 06:44 PM

Nother question. It;s up and going, I'll have pics later, but on the ovrflow. There is the part in the tank, then the part outside the tank. The outside part is divided into two section, the overflow and the drain to the sump. Well the overflow works, but the drain section keeps filling up to the divider and almost draining completely out over and over. Any ideas?

mfinn · 04/25/2010, 07:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rayn

Nother question. It;s up and going, I'll have pics later, but on the ovrflow. There is the part in the tank, then the part outside the tank. The outside part is divided into two section, the overflow and the drain to the sump. Well the overflow works, but the drain section keeps filling up to the divider and almost draining completely out over and over. Any ideas?

you mean out and over to the floor?
sounds like the pump is a little too strong.
may have to get a smaller pump, or put a valve on the pump and choke it down a little.

rayn · 04/25/2010, 07:30 PM

No the overflow on back of the tank. I've already had to choke the return pump back to keep it from draining the return section of the sump

usctrack · 04/25/2010, 07:50 PM

It is hard piped with PVC on the drain side? Did you have to use some 90 degrees in the plumbing to get it to the new sump location? If you did use some 90's it will slow the drain down a good bit and then you will have to choke down the return pump to match flow.
If you did do it that way, get some flex tubing and try to see if they helps increase the flow.

Just guessing here.

mfinn · 04/25/2010, 07:55 PM

without pictures I don't understand.

rayn · 04/25/2010, 08:22 PM

mfinn here ya go

The side on the right comes from the tank, while the side on the left is the drain to the sump. How do I regulate the flow over the divider so that it stops going up and down all the time? I changed it around a little and placed a riser pipe and the media over it, but it still does is some.

rayn · 04/25/2010, 08:27 PM

Up and running. Not necessarily the cleanest build it could have been, but what yo gonna do? If my wifey isn't pulling my leg I'll have a 150 in june anyway and have to redo it all. But it drains, skims, flows, and returns. Haven't seen a return microbubble yet! The collection cup in the second pic was after about two hours. I broke the skimmer in in viniger water and cleaned it out, but I thought this would be like a sludge not watery, any suggestions?

Lannyrx7 · 04/25/2010, 11:17 PM

Your water level in the skimmer is too high. Choke it down with the air valve or the output valve. Skimmers always have one of the 2 or both.

mfinn · 04/26/2010, 09:23 AM

I'm wondering if, when you moved the sump out to the side, that the added distance is too much for the pump.
What pump do you have?

rayn · 04/26/2010, 11:01 AM

Its the pf-800. Would adding a second tube help?

mfinn · 04/26/2010, 11:09 AM

Not sure what the pf 800 is. Do you know how many gph it is?
I don't know if a second u-tube would help. If you have one give it a try.

I am also wondering why you want to regulate the flow over the center divider in the overflow box. Is it because of noise?

Fizz71 · 04/26/2010, 11:49 AM

Are you getting a "flushing" type issue where the water fills up then all of a sudden drops and starts filling again? If you are, then you have an issue with not getting the right amount of air in the drain with the water. If you're not...well then I don't get it. Sorry.

rayn · 04/26/2010, 01:29 PM

Fizz71 that's exactly what it is like. Flushing.

rayn · 04/26/2010, 01:32 PM

mfinn, sorry the pf-800 is my eshopps overflow. The return pump is a rio 2100 and it out does my drain if not dialed back.

04/25/2010, 02:35 PM	#1
rayn Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Pekin, Il Posts: 2,864	sump help quick!!! Me being the idiot noob I am built a sump to big to fit under my tank. However, my wife being the understanding woman she is says "just put it off to the side." So my question..... If my tank is on one wall and the sump is 90 degrees to the side, will the overflow still work into the sump and the return back to the tank?

04/25/2010, 02:41 PM	#3
Shane Hoffman Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: 45 mins from Chicago Posts: 2,009	Yes it will work fine as long as the water is always flowing down hill to the sump. Is the sump to big to fit under the stand or are you saying it wont fit throught he doors of the stand? __________________ A wise man once said "Never play leap frog with a unicorn" Current Tank Info: 150 gallon glass with 20 gallon sump, 175lbs of coraline covered live rock, EuroReef skimmer rated for 250gal, 25watt Aqua UV sterilizer, Fluval FX5, Hamilton 3x250watt MH, 160 watt Blue actinic....Mixed reef

04/25/2010, 02:41 PM	#4
billdogg Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Grove City, Ohio Posts: 10,806	yup as long as it's below the DT, you will be fine as long as there is still gravity to get it down, and a pump to return it. :-) __________________ I'll try to be nice if you try to be smarter! I can't help that I grow older, but you can't make me grow up! Current Tank Info: 120 mixed reef with 40b sump, RO 150 skimmer, AI Sol Blue x 2, and a 60g Frag Tank with 100g rubbermaid sump. 2 x Kessil A360w lights, BM curve 5 skimmer

04/25/2010, 02:42 PM	#6
usctrack Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Birmingham ,AL Posts: 378	It should. There are many people on here with the sumps and fuges in other rooms or the basement. You will have to do some creative plumbing and make sure your pump can handle the head load to cover the distance but I think you are ok. Just my $.02. __________________ JBJ 28 HQI running, 90g and 65g in storage for now

04/25/2010, 02:43 PM	#7
Sk8r RC Mod Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Spokane WA Posts: 34,628 Blog Entries: 55	downhill is what matters. Mine is 15 feet to the side and downstairs from the tank. Literally---it's in the basement. The only thing that will matter is if your pump is potent enough to get it back to the tank. __________________ Sk8r Salinity 1.024-6; alkalinity 8.3-9.3 on KH scale; calcium 420; magnesium 1300, temp 78-80, nitrate .2. Ammonia 0. No filters: lps tank. Alk and cal won't rise if mg is low. Current Tank Info: 105g AquaVim wedge, yellow tang, sailfin blenny,royal gramma, ocellaris clown pair, yellow watchman, 100 microceriths, 25 tiny hermits, a 4" conch, 1" nassarius, recovering from 2 year hiatus with daily water change of 10%.

04/25/2010, 02:40 PM	#2
Threelittlefish Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 75	All about the FAIL boat. It's about to set sail. Toot Toot!

04/25/2010, 02:42 PM	#5
reef_keeper Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Ohio Posts: 292	you should be fine i had a sump running just like this for over a year!

04/25/2010, 03:01 PM	#9
reef_keeper Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Ohio Posts: 292	what size tank and sump do you have?

04/25/2010, 04:37 PM	#11
flyline Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: victorville, ca Posts: 91	i got a sump too big for my stand too lol im not sure this will work for you but i took out the cross brace in the middle of the stand and slid it in and put the brace back in..in my opinion the center brace is even stronger than before it was only held in by a couple of staples i used some screws to lock it in.....hope this helps you out

04/25/2010, 06:44 PM	#12
rayn Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Pekin, Il Posts: 2,864	Nother question. It;s up and going, I'll have pics later, but on the ovrflow. There is the part in the tank, then the part outside the tank. The outside part is divided into two section, the overflow and the drain to the sump. Well the overflow works, but the drain section keeps filling up to the divider and almost draining completely out over and over. Any ideas?

04/25/2010, 07:30 PM	#14
rayn Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Pekin, Il Posts: 2,864	No the overflow on back of the tank. I've already had to choke the return pump back to keep it from draining the return section of the sump

04/25/2010, 07:50 PM	#15
usctrack Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Birmingham ,AL Posts: 378	It is hard piped with PVC on the drain side? Did you have to use some 90 degrees in the plumbing to get it to the new sump location? If you did use some 90's it will slow the drain down a good bit and then you will have to choke down the return pump to match flow. If you did do it that way, get some flex tubing and try to see if they helps increase the flow. Just guessing here. __________________ JBJ 28 HQI running, 90g and 65g in storage for now

04/25/2010, 07:55 PM	#16
mfinn Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Olympia. WA. Posts: 8,648	without pictures I don't understand. __________________ 240 gallon soft coral tank 50 gallon lps tank

04/25/2010, 08:22 PM	#17
rayn Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Pekin, Il Posts: 2,864	mfinn here ya go The side on the right comes from the tank, while the side on the left is the drain to the sump. How do I regulate the flow over the divider so that it stops going up and down all the time? I changed it around a little and placed a riser pipe and the media over it, but it still does is some.

04/25/2010, 08:27 PM	#18
rayn Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Pekin, Il Posts: 2,864	Up and running. Not necessarily the cleanest build it could have been, but what yo gonna do? If my wifey isn't pulling my leg I'll have a 150 in june anyway and have to redo it all. But it drains, skims, flows, and returns. Haven't seen a return microbubble yet! The collection cup in the second pic was after about two hours. I broke the skimmer in in viniger water and cleaned it out, but I thought this would be like a sludge not watery, any suggestions?

04/25/2010, 11:17 PM	#19
Lannyrx7 Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Omaha,NE Posts: 96	Your water level in the skimmer is too high. Choke it down with the air valve or the output valve. Skimmers always have one of the 2 or both.

04/26/2010, 09:23 AM	#20
mfinn Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Olympia. WA. Posts: 8,648	I'm wondering if, when you moved the sump out to the side, that the added distance is too much for the pump. What pump do you have? __________________ 240 gallon soft coral tank 50 gallon lps tank

04/26/2010, 11:01 AM	#21
rayn Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Pekin, Il Posts: 2,864	Its the pf-800. Would adding a second tube help?

04/26/2010, 11:09 AM	#22
mfinn Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Olympia. WA. Posts: 8,648	Not sure what the pf 800 is. Do you know how many gph it is? I don't know if a second u-tube would help. If you have one give it a try. I am also wondering why you want to regulate the flow over the center divider in the overflow box. Is it because of noise? __________________ 240 gallon soft coral tank 50 gallon lps tank

04/26/2010, 11:49 AM	#23
Fizz71 FragSwapper Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: West Lawn, PA Posts: 5,800	Are you getting a "flushing" type issue where the water fills up then all of a sudden drops and starts filling again? If you are, then you have an issue with not getting the right amount of air in the drain with the water. If you're not...well then I don't get it. Sorry.

04/26/2010, 01:29 PM	#24
rayn Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Pekin, Il Posts: 2,864	Fizz71 that's exactly what it is like. Flushing.

04/26/2010, 01:32 PM	#25
rayn Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Pekin, Il Posts: 2,864	mfinn, sorry the pf-800 is my eshopps overflow. The return pump is a rio 2100 and it out does my drain if not dialed back.

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