Super Dart Gold or VorTech MP60w

[TriNewbie24]

I'm setting up a 3ft 90g SPS reef. What do you think would be better for added flow?

Super Dart Gold on OM-4 way or the new VorTech MP60w.

This will be in addition to a Panworld 100PX-X from the sump. I figure the cost including the pump, om, and fittings will equal the cost of the vortech.

Thanks
Ram

[JALREEFER]

That's alot of flow for 90 gals

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[TriNewbie24]

Well i plan on dialing either one down, then as things grow I plan on increasing flow.

[mike_cmu04]

I would go with 2 mp40's that should be way more than enough in a 90

[Aquaticadvisor]

+1 2 mp40's

[Gary Majchrzak]

research flow in 90 gallon SPS reefs.

Your first proposal is way overkill.

[TriNewbie24]

Yea, i think i'll go with two mp40's. Just saw that they're rated up to 500+ gallons. Plus two will give more flow than a single mp60 for future use when i upgrade.

How are they as far as reliability?

[viggen]

Do you want that much flow in your sump? Usually people want slow flow through their sump especially with a fuge. pumping 1000-1200 gph through the sump seems to be way high, usually 2-4x's is all you want so 200-400 gph.

Then let the vortec's do the other flow

[reefD]

those new mp60's are super pumps. i always say ecotech under rates thier pumps. a mp10 is fine for a 55gallon. i use my mp10 in a 75 with great results. id try a mp40 and thats it! for a 90. rather get a mp10 then if needed get another mp10. mp40 may be too much. im speaking as a person using an mp10 on a 75. the flow is insane!!!!!!! that new mp60 must prduce made flow! id wouldnt look at that unless i have a 220 or more! for real! an mp40 in a 125 does great! ive seen it!


AGAIN BROTHER IF YOU CAN SEE ONE OF THESE PUMPS IN PERSON AND YOU MAY REALIZE THAT 2 MP40'S MAY BE TOO STRONG. TRY ONE MP40 FIRST THEN GET THE SECOND AFTER. these pumps are very good at creating different types of flows and caotic flow. dont underestimate thier power! sps tank would love the flow but id try to save money and not get too much and end up running the pumps at only 40% when you could run a cheaper vortech at 80% with same results. my 2 cents

[reefD]

i vote for you to get 1 mp40 es and thats all youll need for a 90. if you are wanting two pumps then i vote for you to get a mp10w es...then add another mp10w es later. my resoning is that an mp40 would be way enough flow for a 90 as my mp10 is plenty flow for a 75. 2 mp10s on my 75 would really tie everything in but i would dial them at 75% tops. instead i use my 1 mp10 with a non controllable pump(korollia #1 or #2) on the other side helping the under tow. for a 90 2 mp10w es would be plenty or just one mp40w es. my oppinion

[reefD]

Originally Posted by TriNewbie24

How are they as far as reliability?

? do you mean that they keep running without problems aka mechanical issues?

[TriNewbie24]

Originally Posted by reefD

? do you mean that they keep running without problems aka mechanical issues?

Yup. That's what i was asking.

I just saw the video on reef builders for the mp60 and the tank was a 80-90 gallon. Just figured they had running high, that's why i was think about getting it.

I'm not going to be using the full 1200gph from the return, after all the piping and height should be around 8-900, and i'll split it to feed my chiller also.

Thanks
Ram

[theatrus]

I'm running a 90 gallon (4ft), and have a PanWorld 100PX-X as the return pump. It works, not throttled down. Note that I run a recirculating skimmer on the drain and a refuge teed off from the drain as well.

I'm running two Tunze 6101 on the 7095 multicontroller, which are fantastic except for their size (the controllable nano streams were unavailable in 2008 when it was set up). I don't have any problems pushing near 80-100% in the short interval mode bursts, which is a rated 3000 gph. Henceforth I would recommend two MP40ES if you're going the Vortech route. If I had more money than sense I'd replace my working Tunze with the MP40ES as well

There are times where I don't have enough flow even with that setup... Unless you have a sandstorm, you cannot have too little flow

[TriNewbie24]

Originally Posted by theatrus

There are times where I don't have enough flow even with that setup... Unless you have a sandstorm, you cannot have too little flow

See that's my thing, i know i will upgrade at some point. Plus its going to be full sps dominated. That's why i was thinking of going with one MP60. But being that i can get two 40's for the price of the 60, i guess i'll go that route. Still a little worried because i see alot for sell in the buy/sell forum. Just a little iffy on spending 300+ on a powerhead only for it to fail on me.

Thanks
Ram

[Mr. Brooks]

Originally Posted by Aquaticadvisor

+1 2 mp40's

+3 2 MP40w's

[theatrus]

Originally Posted by TriNewbie24

See that's my thing, i know i will upgrade at some point. Plus its going to be full sps dominated. That's why i was thinking of going with one MP60. But being that i can get two 40's for the price of the 60, i guess i'll go that route. Still a little worried because i see alot for sell in the buy/sell forum. Just a little iffy on spending 300+ on a powerhead only for it to fail on me.

Thanks
Ram

You want a lot of flow, however random flow is even better, hence two is the way to go.

You can always opt for the Tunze Streams - its a more proven technology with its own advantages.

[jpsika08]

+4 2 MP40w

[iamwrasseman]

you will need less turnover rate from your sump and also less in your tank . many people above have stated that and you should heed their advise . best of luck to ya . also there are much more inexpensive ways to circulate water within your tank and you may want to pursue that just to save some bucks .
its all a learning experience and many people hare have already learned so please keep your ears open and they are certainly directing you in the correct direction .

[discus510]

well u gotta understand somethin u see a lot of it on the for sale forums cuz ppl always want new toys doesnt mean its not good and the mp60 suppose to be 700 new and a mp40es is 450 new if u do decide to get vortech i would go with the mp40 i think the mp60 is way over kill unless u want tat wave effect like they were showing at the MCNA which is pretty cool =)