This is a shame

[jeff@zina.com]

Originally Posted by chrisfishs

...and we just had the hottest summer on record in north america...

Except that a few hundred years of recording temperatures doesn't count on a global temperature scale. 20,000 years ago some guy probably said "Hey Joe, remember when we were kids and the Mississippi froze solid every year...?"

Jeff

[sirreal63]

I am actually stunned this thread has lasted this long!

[mudskipper1]

Originally Posted by reelfishy

Yes it happened in the past. Its happening again. Humans are speeding up the process.

But I love my gas guzzling car that will leave most if not all hybrids in the dust.

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget....07-28-2010.jpg

Not this hybrid...78mpg at 718 horsepower.

[reelfishy]

Originally Posted by niles1967

Such hypocracy! Every one of us needs to look in the mirror. The world's reefs would be much better off if we hobbyits did not exist. The reefs are raped every day to supply our tanks with livestock. Our tanks do nothing to preserve anything and only exist to personally satisfy and amuse us.

Don't pretend to be so concerned about the planet while your own personal satisfactions contribute to the reef's demise.

I accept this. Do you?

I accept. Piece of the ocean in my house damn skippy!

Originally Posted by reelfishy

Yes it happened in the past. Its happening again. Humans are speeding up the process.

But I love my gas guzzling car that will leave most if not all hybrids in the dust.

[reelfishy]

Originally Posted by mudskipper1

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget....07-28-2010.jpg

Not this hybrid...78mpg at 718 horsepower.

Wow... ok.. let me rephrase. Hybrids in production? lol

[vwtanker]

Originally Posted by niles1967

Such hypocracy! Every one of us needs to look in the mirror. The world's reefs would be much better off if we hobbyits did not exist. The reefs are raped every day to supply our tanks with livestock. Our tanks do nothing to preserve anything and only exist to personally satisfy and amuse us.

Don't pretend to be so concerned about the planet while your own personal satisfactions contribute to the reef's demise.

I accept this. Do you?

Current sustainable harvest of reef zones gives the indigenous population income that they would otherwise not have. If they could not provide for there families through harvest and husbandry of the reefs, they would turn to other means ie clear cutting forests, factories, or farming, which would in turn cause much more damage to the oceans. Most collection areas are currently monitored very well. There are lots of articles on the web about this.
Humanity as a whole impacts the earth, and if we don't change our ways we will see greater consequences then we already have.

[mudskipper1]

Porche announced that it is going into production. for the record...but seriously, whether you "feel" that it is anthropogenic or not, there are many things that we all can do to help reduce pollution, make our energy use less dependent on foreign countries, leave a better world for our children, make our economy more viable in the long-term, etc. all at once. I say stop bickering and do something about it!

[niles1967]

Originally Posted by vwtanker

Current sustainable harvest of reef zones gives the indigenous population income that they would otherwise not have. If they could not provide for there families through harvest and husbandry of the reefs, they would turn to other means ie clear cutting forests, factories, or farming, which would in turn cause much more damage to the oceans. Most collection areas are currently monitored very well. There are lots of articles on the web about this.
Humanity as a whole impacts the earth, and if we don't change our ways we will see greater consequences then we already have.

Does this include the harvesting of live rock? No.

[CorkPullerPHL]

pbmathews: It's difficult to call yourself a tree-hugging conservative and then ask someone to show you the evidence of global warming. If you are a tree-hugger then you will search this information out. It's not like it's hard to find.

The bottom line is that there is overwhelming evidence that man has accelerated the production of greenhouse gas. Further there is overwhelming evidence that greenhouse gasses are effecting our climate. How people can continue to deny these facts thoroughly escapes me. It's like saying cigarettes don't cause cancer....

[mudskipper1]

Originally Posted by CorkPullerPHL

pbmathews: It's difficult to call yourself a tree-hugging conservative and then ask someone to show you the evidence of global warming. If you are a tree-hugger then you will search this information out. It's not like it's hard to find.

The bottom line is that there is overwhelming evidence that man has accelerated the production of greenhouse gas. Further there is overwhelming evidence that greenhouse gasses are effecting our climate. How people can continue to deny these facts thoroughly escapes me. It's like saying cigarettes don't cause cancer....

Good analogy, because in each case, there is/was a large industry that benefitted from the misinformation that it paid to distribute,creating doubt in the science. oil industry in this case largely, but also coal.

A movie called the age of stupid comes to mind when I read people posting about how there is no "proof".

[L8ndeb]

Originally Posted by sirreal63

i am actually stunned this thread has lasted this long!

+1

[Nanook]

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