Another shrimp dead!!! - Page 2

stingythingy45 · 04/08/2011, 09:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anthony.Luciano

ok so will the tank be permanently damaged now that the anemone died or if i just do water changes it will fix it because i woke up this morning and everything was dead!

Do lots of water changes,then don't buy anything else.
Take your water to a LFS and have it checked against what you get with your test kits.

drukkosz · 04/08/2011, 10:03 AM

shrimps are very sensitive to phosphates. dod you check your level?

Anthony.Luciano · 04/08/2011, 10:06 AM

wooow seriously? i never knew that. yes i do have phosphate but its at .06ppm but im working on bringing it down with phosphat-E and gfo

Quote:

Originally Posted by drukkosz

shrimps are very sensitive to phosphates. dod you check your level?

drukkosz · 04/08/2011, 10:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anthony.Luciano

wooow seriously? i never knew that. yes i do have phosphate but its at .06ppm but im working on bringing it down with phosphat-E and gfo

0.6ppm its not to bad, hmmm do you have any agressive fish? maybe something attacks them?

Anthony.Luciano · 04/08/2011, 10:21 AM

it was .06... and no all the fish were peaceful and they were the biggest ones in the tank so nothing could really have killed them.

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Originally Posted by drukkosz

0.6ppm its not to bad, hmmm do you have any agressive fish? maybe something attacks them?

MrTuskfish · 04/08/2011, 12:32 PM

Anemones are very tough to keep. They probably shouldn't even be attempted until you know you can keep other fish and inverts for a while. Please do some serious reading and research before you start stocking again. There is so much to learn about this great hobby; and, unfortunately, a lot of misinformation around as well. Learning which is which is one of the real keys to success....IMO & IME.

Anthony.Luciano · 04/16/2011, 09:19 PM

ok im probably like the happiest guy in the world right now!!! every time something happens i go back to the copper issue but now ive been bringing water samples to my lfs and he measures the salt and it come out extremely high so he says that the problem but i just thought it was the dirty salt container i used to bring the water so i went home and then back with both my refractometer and a water sample in a plastic cup. i went back and he tested in and the same thing i was so shocked. when he showed me the refractometer it said 1.035 and then he tested mine and it said 1.025 so i was reading 10 points below what it really was. then he said ok watch this he put water from his invert tank on the refractometer and it said 1.025 then he put it on mine and smiled and said, tell me how they are living at this sg and i looked and laughed. it said 1.015. so he calibrated it there for me and then i got home and it was measuring the correct sg in my tank but it said 1.010 from pure ro/di water so i just said to myself, its broken oh well and i just ordered a new one. so now im so exited i can finally start my coral reef.

sjwitt · 04/17/2011, 07:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anthony.Luciano

ok so will the tank be permanently damaged now that the anemone died or if i just do water changes it will fix it because i woke up this morning and everything was dead!

I'm glad you figured out your problem with the SG being too high. I take it from this post that there is NO livestock left in the tank so you won't need to worry about adjusting the SG too quickly. IF there's anything left alive, then you'd need to adjust slowly.

What I would do is drain the tank and fill it completely with NEW saltwater and run carbon while you let that tank 'rest' for several weeks. Make sure it has completely gone through its cycle; get the parameters stable and take a sample back to the LFS to verify your measurements. Once you're showing stable measures THEN think about adding livestock back. Do so slowly because you're tank will need to build it's biological filter with each addition.

Start with small, hearty fish and inverts. Take your time and go slowly because nothing good ever happens fast in this hobby. Also, IF you consider another anemone remember ... your tank should be at least 6-9 months old (older the better), you need to do TONS of research and make sure you have the right environment (i.e., lighting), AND never buy a sick anemone with the hopes of 'saving' it. Leave that to the anemone experts!

Good Luck and Happy Reefing.

jamesdean3 · 04/17/2011, 09:14 AM

YAY !! please dont dose copper in any tank with inverts in the future though please!! Carbon doesn't really work to pull out hard metals like copper very well

sjwitt · 04/17/2011, 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jamesdean3

YAY !! please dont dose copper in any tank with inverts in the future though please!! Carbon doesn't really work to pull out hard metals like copper very well

Suggestion to run carbon was not for the copper it was for the anemone crashing the tank.

Anthony.Luciano · 05/11/2011, 02:28 PM

oh well some good news if you interested ever since i fixed my salt problem i got a fire shrimp and so far so good. hes been doing great for almost a month now. i also have a few corals doing great too!

jdyer88 · 05/11/2011, 04:23 PM

thats awsome...i was able to keep a cleaner shrimp for a good three years...he used to come out and "clean" my hand every time i put my hand in the tank...he died a couple of months of ago....i will definately get another one soon but keep forgetting at the lfs....what kind of corals are you stocking in your tank now?

Paul B · 05/11/2011, 04:44 PM

I am glad you figured out your problem as I knew it was not copper. Shrimp are much more tolerant to copper than anemones and the anemone would have closed up and died immediately if copper was present. They have no sense of humor with copper but shrimp are much more hardy.
I ran copper in my tank for years when I started it because in those days there was no live coral and it was fish only. Even my rocks and dolomite gravel were bathed in copper but eventually it leaves and I did not have to change anything.
My first invert after I stopped copper was a pair of coral banded shrimp that spawned every couple of months for 7 years. I didn't tell them there used to be copper in the tank.

jdyer88 · 05/11/2011, 04:52 PM

anthony, you should search PaulB's threads for pictures of his tank...he is in your neck of the woods and he has the coolest, most unorthodox (by modern standards) tank around! his threads are great reading and are proof of the old saying "theres more than one way to skin a cat"!

snorvich · 05/11/2011, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by duncantse

Never acclimate for more than 30 minutes. I think maybe ammonia poisoned the shrimp.

That is not correct.

Anthony.Luciano · 05/11/2011, 06:37 PM

yep im so happy. right now i have a zoa colony, an acan and a torch coral, but i plan to get a bunch more stuff soon now that im pretty much maxed out with fish.

04/08/2011, 12:32 PM	#31
MrTuskfish Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: The Wild Blue Yonder Posts: 8,887	Anemones are very tough to keep. They probably shouldn't even be attempted until you know you can keep other fish and inverts for a while. Please do some serious reading and research before you start stocking again. There is so much to learn about this great hobby; and, unfortunately, a lot of misinformation around as well. Learning which is which is one of the real keys to success....IMO & IME. __________________ If God didn't want us to eat animals, he wouldn't have made them out of meat. Steve Current Tank Info: 180, 2-240 FOWLRs, 240 reef

04/16/2011, 09:19 PM	#32
Anthony.Luciano Registered Member. Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Bronx, NY Posts: 769	ok im probably like the happiest guy in the world right now!!! every time something happens i go back to the copper issue but now ive been bringing water samples to my lfs and he measures the salt and it come out extremely high so he says that the problem but i just thought it was the dirty salt container i used to bring the water so i went home and then back with both my refractometer and a water sample in a plastic cup. i went back and he tested in and the same thing i was so shocked. when he showed me the refractometer it said 1.035 and then he tested mine and it said 1.025 so i was reading 10 points below what it really was. then he said ok watch this he put water from his invert tank on the refractometer and it said 1.025 then he put it on mine and smiled and said, tell me how they are living at this sg and i looked and laughed. it said 1.015. so he calibrated it there for me and then i got home and it was measuring the correct sg in my tank but it said 1.010 from pure ro/di water so i just said to myself, its broken oh well and i just ordered a new one. so now im so exited i can finally start my coral reef. __________________ My name is A.J. 450 gallon SPS dominated tank in progress.

05/11/2011, 02:28 PM	#36
Anthony.Luciano Registered Member. Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Bronx, NY Posts: 769	oh well some good news if you interested ever since i fixed my salt problem i got a fire shrimp and so far so good. hes been doing great for almost a month now. i also have a few corals doing great too! __________________ My name is A.J. 450 gallon SPS dominated tank in progress.

05/11/2011, 04:23 PM	#37
jdyer88 Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Riverside, California Posts: 434	thats awsome...i was able to keep a cleaner shrimp for a good three years...he used to come out and "clean" my hand every time i put my hand in the tank...he died a couple of months of ago....i will definately get another one soon but keep forgetting at the lfs....what kind of corals are you stocking in your tank now? __________________ just watchin the sun come up in my jeans, jean shirt, and jean jacket. Its a moustache kind of morning. When someone says its not about the money, its about one thing, the money. Enough about me, lets talk about what YOU think of me! Current Tank Info: 180g, 60g sump w/fuge, 3x250w mh

05/11/2011, 04:44 PM	#38
Paul B Premium Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Long Island NY Posts: 15,549	I am glad you figured out your problem as I knew it was not copper. Shrimp are much more tolerant to copper than anemones and the anemone would have closed up and died immediately if copper was present. They have no sense of humor with copper but shrimp are much more hardy. I ran copper in my tank for years when I started it because in those days there was no live coral and it was fish only. Even my rocks and dolomite gravel were bathed in copper but eventually it leaves and I did not have to change anything. My first invert after I stopped copper was a pair of coral banded shrimp that spawned every couple of months for 7 years. I didn't tell them there used to be copper in the tank. __________________ I used to get shocked when I put my hand in my tank. Then the electric eel went dead. Current Tank Info: 100 gal reef set up in 1971

04/08/2011, 10:03 AM	#27
drukkosz Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Twinsburg Posts: 934	shrimps are very sensitive to phosphates. dod you check your level?

04/17/2011, 09:14 AM	#34
jamesdean3 Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 128	YAY !! please dont dose copper in any tank with inverts in the future though please!! Carbon doesn't really work to pull out hard metals like copper very well

05/11/2011, 04:52 PM	#39
jdyer88 Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Riverside, California Posts: 434	anthony, you should search PaulB's threads for pictures of his tank...he is in your neck of the woods and he has the coolest, most unorthodox (by modern standards) tank around! his threads are great reading and are proof of the old saying "theres more than one way to skin a cat"! __________________ just watchin the sun come up in my jeans, jean shirt, and jean jacket. Its a moustache kind of morning. When someone says its not about the money, its about one thing, the money. Enough about me, lets talk about what YOU think of me! Current Tank Info: 180g, 60g sump w/fuge, 3x250w mh

05/11/2011, 06:37 PM	#41
Anthony.Luciano Registered Member. Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Bronx, NY Posts: 769	yep im so happy. right now i have a zoa colony, an acan and a torch coral, but i plan to get a bunch more stuff soon now that im pretty much maxed out with fish. __________________ My name is A.J. 450 gallon SPS dominated tank in progress.

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