Done 24 hours of research please help with "experience"

[10millCheetah]

So i introduced a Poweder blue tang 72 hours ago, within 48 hours he shows first signs of visible ich, the visible signs are now gone, yay now its hatching into my tank My question is, after all the research ive done, PBT are ich prone. None of my other fish ( 3 clowns, hawkfish, leopard puffer, and a cowfish) show any signs of ich, do i just QT the tang, and let the other be? Some people say they have PBT and hippos that get ich once every 3-6 months, and it only effects the tang none of the others, or do i rip my entire tank apart and qt everything and stress them even more?? Please respond with information that will contribute to my issue, i have started to increase temp, and lower salinity already. Thank you everyone

[dlp211]

The only way to break the cycle is to QT every fish and leave the tank fallow for 6+ weeks. Even if a fish shows no outward signs of ICH, they can and probably do carry it which means that it will reinfect your PBT.

I don't think increasing temp is a good idea. It lowers oxygen levels in the tank potentially further stressing your fish. Hypo will have some effect on the mature ICH, but won't break the cycle as the eggs will survive(once they hatch, obviously they will die off).

I personally have never had to deal with ICH, but I have read a bit about it. Hopefully someone with more experience will stop by.

[Saadatski]

i dont think the PBT gets ich every 6 months, because ich itsnt like algae or a diatom where it comes out of no where. it has to come from something and somewhere. If you QT your tang (which i will assume you did not, but correct me if im wrong) and the tang got ich, the ich would have been contained in the QT unless equipment was transferred accidently. The medications should have eliminated the threat of ALL ich in the QT, so when transferring the tang, there should be no ich in the DT at all.

hope i helped instead of rambling (i ramble too much sometimes)

[Saadatski]

sorry accidentle double post

[10millCheetah]

Originally Posted by Saadatski

i dont think the PBT gets ich every 6 months, because ich itsnt like algae or a diatom where it comes out of no where. it has to come from something and somewhere. If you QT your tang (which i will assume you did not, but correct me if im wrong) and the tang got ich, the ich would have been contained in the QT unless equipment was transferred accidently. The medications should have eliminated the threat of ALL ich in the QT, so when transferring the tang, there should be no ich in the DT at all.

hope i helped instead of rambling (i ramble too much sometimes)

I did not qt I didn't have a qt tank, I'm buying one tomorrow, I've read some people that have not qt after an ich breakout and it didn't come back afterwards but seems like a biiiiig maybe to me. I have inverts so if I have to use meds I can't do it in my dt.. The ich only shows on my tang currently.

[Saadatski]

yes because as you stated above PBT are VERY prone to ich. it will show on your tang before all the other fish, but all the other fish have it, probebly really minor though.

Yes you cannot add meds to you dt for more reasons than inverts. copper will bind with calcium in LR and you can never use it again because it will leach them constantly. just QT all your fish, leave the DT empty of all fish for 6 weeks (i know its a long time, but find something to do, like remodel your house ). ittl be tough, but this is your only option...

[10millCheetah]

Originally Posted by Saadatski

yes because as you stated above PBT are VERY prone to ich. it will show on your tang before all the other fish, but all the other fish have it, probebly really minor though.

Yes you cannot add meds to you dt for more reasons than inverts. copper will bind with calcium in LR and you can never use it again because it will leach them constantly. just QT all your fish, leave the DT empty of all fish for 6 weeks (i know its a long time, but find something to do, like remodel your house ). ittl be tough, but this is your only option...

Remodel the house haha I probably will do my kitchen and bathroom floors. Lol I'll have to buy the qt tank tomorrow and start the process. :-( gotta love new fish.

[Palting]

Originally Posted by 10millCheetah

So i introduced a Poweder blue tang 72 hours ago, within 48 hours he shows first signs of visible ich, the visible signs are now gone, yay now its hatching into my tank My question is, after all the research ive done, PBT are ich prone. None of my other fish ( 3 clowns, hawkfish, leopard puffer, and a cowfish) show any signs of ich, do i just QT the tang, and let the other be? Some people say they have PBT and hippos that get ich once every 3-6 months, and it only effects the tang none of the others, or do i rip my entire tank apart and qt everything and stress them even more?? Please respond with information that will contribute to my issue, i have started to increase temp, and lower salinity already. Thank you everyone

Ok, you've read for 24 hours, now want help with "experience". So, here's my "experience".

I had a 110 gal tank. All the fish were carefully "observed" before being added to the DT. Finally had about 11 fish in. All things going well, no additions for about 2 months. Then, noticed that my precious and expensive purple tang that had been in the tank for 3 months had a few "salt" spots. Within 48 hours, he was covered in it. Good news was he was still eating like a pig. Everything in the tank parameters were stable, nothing to explain the sudden appearance of Ich. 4 days later, spots disappeared. But, Ich never went away. Ich spots would come and go. Sometimes on my purple tang, sometimes on other fish, sometimes none at all were visible. I did all the wrong things. Bought cleaner shrimp, soaked everything in Garlic, ordered and used several expensive bottles of "reef-safe" anti-ich meds to medcate a 110 gallon tank, etc, etc, etc. Even bought a large UV sterilizer and a flow meter to make sure I had it set at the right flow to kill Ich. Nothing worked. Spots would come and go. Good thing nothing died, either.

Finally got sick and tired of worrying about it. This is supposed to be a hobby, not a headache, for crying out loud! I finally hunkered down and did the right thing.

I bought a totally new and complete 150 gal reef set-up LOL!!

I transferred all the live rock, coral and inverts into the new tank. Bought new live sand, and additional live rock, and some more CUC as well. Turned the 110 gal with all the fish still in it into a hospital tank, and did hyposalinity at 1.009 for 6 weeks. Even added a blue hippo tang just before I started ! Took another week to get the SG back to 1.026, observed for another week. By then, the new tank with all the liverock, coral and inverts had been fishless for 8 weeks. You should have seen all the pods that were in it!!. Anyway, I digress. Took another 2 weeks to transfer all the fish into the new tank, then emptied and cleaned the 110 gal. The whole 110 gal system is still up for sale, BTW .

Over a year later, no Ich. I quarantine AND prophylactically treat all fish, dip and quarantine all coral and live rock for 8 weeks. My fish in the DT may die, but they will NOT die of Ich. I can guarantee it!

HTH!!

[Palting]

woops!

[snorvich]

Originally Posted by Palting

Ok, you've read for 24 hours, now want help with "experience". So, here's my "experience".

I had a 110 gal tank. All the fish were carefully "observed" before being added to the DT. Finally had about 11 fish in. All things going well, no additions for about 2 months. Then, noticed that my precious and expensive purple tang that had been in the tank for 3 months had a few "salt" spots. Within 48 hours, he was covered in it. Good news was he was still eating like a pig. Everything in the tank parameters were stable, nothing to explain the sudden appearance of Ich. 4 days later, spots disappeared. But, Ich never went away. Ich spots would come and go. Sometimes on my purple tang, sometimes on other fish, sometimes none at all were visible. I did all the wrong things. Bought cleaner shrimp, soaked everything in Garlic, ordered and used several expensive bottles of "reef-safe" anti-ich meds to medcate a 110 gallon tank, etc, etc, etc. Even bought a large UV sterilizer and a flow meter to make sure I had it set at the right flow to kill Ich. Nothing worked. Spots would come and go. Good thing nothing died, either.

Finally got sick and tired of worrying about it. This is supposed to be a hobby, not a headache, for crying out loud! I finally hunkered down and did the right thing.

I bought a totally new and complete 150 gal reef set-up LOL!!

I transferred all the live rock, coral and inverts into the new tank. Bought new live sand, and additional live rock, and some more CUC as well. Turned the 110 gal with all the fish still in it into a hospital tank, and did hyposalinity at 1.009 for 6 weeks. Even added a blue hippo tang just before I started ! Took another week to get the SG back to 1.026, observed for another week. By then, the new tank with all the liverock, coral and inverts had been fishless for 8 weeks. You should have seen all the pods that were in it!!. Anyway, I digress. Took another 2 weeks to transfer all the fish into the new tank, then emptied and cleaned the 110 gal. The whole 110 gal system is still up for sale, BTW .

Over a year later, no Ich. I quarantine AND prophylactically treat all fish, dip and quarantine all coral and live rock for 8 weeks. My fish in the DT may die, but they will NOT die of Ich. I can guarantee it!

HTH!!

Good advice. For details of why, please read this.

[snorvich]

Originally Posted by 10millCheetah

So i introduced a Poweder blue tang 72 hours ago, within 48 hours he shows first signs of visible ich, the visible signs are now gone,

Not gone, just in a different life cycle stage

yay now its hatching into my tank My question is, after all the research ive done, PBT are ich prone.

All fish (nearly) can get ich

None of my other fish ( 3 clowns, hawkfish, leopard puffer, and a cowfish)

The tank has it. All can get it. By the way, 3 clowns will not survive, only two per tank unless that tank is huge

show any signs of ich, do i just QT the tang, and let the other be? Some people say they have PBT and hippos that get ich once every 3-6 months, and it only effects the tang none of the others,

Those people have no clue

or do i rip my entire tank apart and qt everything and stress them even more?? Please respond with information that will contribute to my issue, i have started to increase temp,

Do NOT raise temperature

and lower salinity already. Thank you everyone

[Roblox84]

It seems as though even though blue tangs are ich prone, they can also fight if of fairly easy so I wouldn't worry much at this point. After a few months of getting a blue hippo tang ich showed up on him, but it dissapeared within a few day's without me having to do anything and hasn't returned. It's been almost 2 years now without signs of ich. But in the back of my mind i'm still thinking about it and hoping that the ich is just not laying dormant in my tank ready to explode.

[10millCheetah]

Thanks for the info. As for the 3 clowns two o them are a pair the other is the original that's been in the tank for probably 2 years. I've had them all for nearly a year and no issues yet.

[ReeferBill]

I am sorry you purchased a fish that will probably die if you keep it in that size tank. My friend purchased a nice one and was never happy until it stressed itself to death. Please trade him back in unless you are ready for a larger set-up...My friends tank was 100 gallons.

[10millCheetah]

Originally Posted by ReeferBill

I am sorry you purchased a fish that will probably die if you keep it in that size tank. My friend purchased a nice one and was never happy until it stressed itself to death. Please trade him back in unless you are ready for a larger set-up...My friends tank was 100 gallons.

Interesting I have multiple friends with hippos and powder blues in 100 gallon tanks and they are extremely healthy and have not died in years. This whiole 1 million gallon tank size argument is not one I want to get into. I also stated I'm buying a 125 in less than 3 weeks

[RealReef7]

did you happen to buy the powder blue at upscale?

[10millCheetah]

Originally Posted by RealReef7

did you happen to buy the powder blue at upscale?

Yes... Did you buy one?
I don't have anything negative to say about Tom at upscales he always treats me well and is straight up and honest with me.