GPH, lets just cut through all the miss information

[maroun.c]

I believe the limiting factors will be:
-Max flow your returns can handle
-microbubbles
-noise.

I'm with having more flow as it is the driiving force for floating particles to defie the much stronger flow in the tank (from flow pumps...) and get sucked into the overflow instead of them continuously cycling in the DT. then on the other hand I see noreal advantage if I cycle 10x instead of 5 times my water volume. in the end as you guys said simmer, reactors and fuge can only process a certain amount with each pass so increasing the waterflow reduces the percentage that is used (amount of junk is the same water flow is increased) while in the end over time the amount of dirat taken out is the same so basically you're not cost efficient.
What I think is worth experimenting with is a period of very strong turnover to get things in the sump not to settle and drain all floating particles a bit faster. Still I don't believe it'll give any dramatic results.

[Drae]

[QUOTE=csmfish;19807952]And thats why you get beat up in your posts and your threads get shut down. Then say you proved a point to your wife when you didnt even coherently prove a point to us!?
Actually I did prove my point according to all the pm's I received afterwards. All you do is argue with people. I give opinions based on research and experiences. Period. And I have every right to post whatever I want within the user agreement. And I'm extremely polite when doing so. I'm extremely knowledgeable on anything I post about. And I'm right on this one. Argue with the idiots sir... Don't be mad I'm not one.

[sslak]

Originally Posted by csmfish

I dont buy that fact that slower water for the skimmer is good. Its not like the dirty water stays in the sump if you go slower. I actually think the faster you cycle the display water the more dirty the water is for the skimmer.

Most skimmers output into the same chamber they draw water from. So the slower the water goes through the sump, the water in the skimmer would gradually get cleaner and cleaner the longer it runs. That means your skimmer would pull less and less as time goes on. Running the water past the skimmer faster assures that it is always pulling the dirtiest possible water, allowing it to skim out as much junk as possible.

That said, I doubt it makes much difference. I can't imagine skimmers output pure clean water...far from it.

To the OP, run your water through the sump at the max rate your return can handle QUIETLY, and get the rest of your flow from power heads in the tank or a closed loop etc.

[tkeracer619]

Originally Posted by drae

and i'm right on this one..

+1

[csmfish]

[QUOTE=Drae;19809808]

Originally Posted by csmfish

And thats why you get beat up in your posts and your threads get shut down. Then say you proved a point to your wife when you didnt even coherently prove a point to us!?
Actually I did prove my point according to all the pm's I received afterwards. All you do is argue with people. I give opinions based on research and experiences. Period. And I have every right to post whatever I want within the user agreement. And I'm extremely polite when doing so. I'm extremely knowledgeable on anything I post about. And I'm right on this one. Argue with the idiots sir... Don't be mad I'm not one.

My point was, you forget that right or wrong, EVERYONE has an opinion and someone somewhere will argue it with you. Problem is, you didnt prove a point to your wife because you forgot to tell her that the mass audience will not bow down to your opinion. Maybe if you said orange is orange, and others disagreed, you might have something to stand on, but, you know what? There are people out there I am sure will disagree with you, so, in the end, you didnt prove a point. Its life, its been that way since dawn of man, nothing new.


I never said your an idiot, what, are you an idiot, lol? I just said your word isnt law, right or wrong. I say a lot of crap on many boards and I NEVER had any of my posts deleted. Dont you wonder why you have? Not that your right or wrong, your higher than god delivery seals your fate. I am very knowledgeable too, but, I learn every day something new, even when I thought I knew it all. Like here, this is my idea on the subject but I am listening to everyone's comments to see if I need to rearrange my conclusion. I am glad to see you say "Fwiw, there is no debate over this subject. I shoot for 5x the total water volume". That made me laugh! Now, EVERYONE, go do 5x like Drae and dont ask questions about the gods rule, lol.

Hey man, I really dont have anything against you but your deliveries leave me rolling on the floor asking what the * !? ............. right OR wrong.

Originally Posted by sslak

Most skimmers output into the same chamber they draw water from. So the slower the water goes through the sump, the water in the skimmer would gradually get cleaner and cleaner the longer it runs. That means your skimmer would pull less and less as time goes on. Running the water past the skimmer faster assures that it is always pulling the dirtiest possible water, allowing it to skim out as much junk as possible.

That said, I doubt it makes much difference. I can't imagine skimmers output pure clean water...far from it.

To the OP, run your water through the sump at the max rate your return can handle QUIETLY, and get the rest of your flow from power heads in the tank or a closed loop etc.

Thats my whole point, it doesnt seem to make much difference, but, on paper it should, but again, to what degree? Real world says dont worry about it, whatever works just fine. My problem is I am a purist, so, my way would be low flow, just what skimmer can use and the exit/discharge in another chamber, maybe the calurpa zone and then to the return pump.