multiple quarantine?

Lofty · 03/31/2012, 11:45 PM

Does anyone see a problem with quarantining a Kole tang, a diamond goby and copper band butterfly at the same time?... I have a 26 gal bow front as a qt? I will be propylactively be treatint with copper... An making sure the cbb is eating before adding to dt? Any thoughts? I plan to qt for 3-4 weeks with copper treatment

Lofty · 04/01/2012, 05:11 PM

No takers in this one? Bump for thoughts.

Aimforever · 04/01/2012, 05:30 PM

It depends how large the fish are. If the tang & copperband are very small, say 2-3 inches or less, it may be okay for the short term QT. However, you'll have to keep a close eye on them for signs of stress or aggression and make sure they have some hiding spots.

If they are much larger than that I wouldn't risk it. Just my 2c.

Ron Reefman · 04/01/2012, 05:50 PM

My purple tang and mueller's butterfly hate eachother. I couldn't keep them together in a 180g tank! The purple tang is currently living in my frag tank!

tkeracer619 · 04/01/2012, 06:09 PM

Copperband needs to be solo. They are to finicky and fragile to be with others during qt. If you don't get lucky and get one that is already eating (i wouldn't buy one I don't see eat) then odds are it will be to shy to eat when other fish are flying around snagging the food.

arch85 · 04/01/2012, 06:12 PM

I wouldn't QT more than one fish unless the two of them help each other de-stress.

Part of the reason to QT is to allow the fish to get used to captivity in a stress-free environment; having another fish in such a small area just adds more unnecessary stress.

The only time I would add more than one fish in the QT is if there is some sort of a symbiotic relationship -- for example, we have our powder brown tang in the QT tank with the neon goby, because the neon goby helps the tang stay clean of pests and parasites

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lon6QNnfpI

snorvich · 04/01/2012, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by tkeracer619

Copperband needs to be solo. They are to finicky and fragile to be with others during qt. If you don't get lucky and get one that is already eating (i wouldn't buy one I don't see eat) then odds are it will be to shy to eat when other fish are flying around snagging the food.

I totally agree. The purpose of quarantine is not just disease/parasite prevention. Delicate fish need time alone to adjust to you, your system, and the food that is fed.

Reefing Newbie · 04/01/2012, 08:06 PM

The only time I QT multiple fish is when they need to be added together (with the exception of this first round). Like with a pair of fairy wrasses. QT females separate you run a risk of it going male before you even get it with your male fairy wrasse. Anthias are another example of where you want the group together so you don't have multiple males (unless your tank is very large).

Sensitive fish like the CBB should be QTd alone so they are able to eat without competition. You want them to adjust without the hassle of other fish.

Hal · 04/02/2012, 11:20 AM

I currently have a diamond goby and a CBB in my QT tank. They've only been in there for 3 days. The goby just started eating yesterday (PE mysis), but I've only seen the CBB pick at the large live rock piece that I added to the QT. I haven't seen it eat any frozen food yet. I'm thinking about ordering some live blackworms to help it along. I threw in a little neck clam yesterday, but haven't checked to see if it's eaten.

Lofty · 04/02/2012, 04:37 PM

Wow... good response this time around.... Okay, so I would probably do the Diamond Goby or the Kole Tang 1st. If that is advisable. I understand the intracacies of dealing with the CBB and probably would benifit in haveing the DT more established before introdicing it. So the Dimond Goby is a sand sifter, would not hvaing any substrate be a problem for this fish. I have read threads where people would take a couple cups out of the DT and place it in a dish for the Goby... Obviously the pod population of this small amount of sand wqould be depleted quickly, so what types of food should I be feeding to "train" with? And obviosly if I am pretreating with copper the pods will not survive and the sand is junk afterwards.

gmoney243 · 04/02/2012, 04:42 PM

Why treat copper if you don't have to. I would do hyposalinity.

Lofty · 04/02/2012, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by gmoney243

Why treat copper if you don't have to. I would do hyposalinity.

Also an option, however being such a low volume of water I get concerned with the fluxuation of the sality possibly stressing the fish out more.... as salinity increases oxygen in the water decreases. With Hypo you have to maintain as close to.018-.019 as possible... I dont exactly have the equipment to maintain that. (eg, ATO, Refractometer etc) I just came out of almost 2 month QT with my current inhabitants due to loss of a Kole Tang and a Coral Beauty to ICH and I have the set up for copper. I know it dosnt seem like much to get another ATO and a Refractometer (I need one though). I just dont have the at the moment and I figured I have something that works.

Dugless · 04/03/2012, 08:21 AM

Just an FYI, hypo is 1.008-1.009.

Lofty · 04/04/2012, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Dugless

Just an FYI, hypo is 1.008-1.009.

My bad... I was reasearching it before the QT of the other fish. I misstated.

Reefing Newbie · 04/04/2012, 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gmoney243

Why treat copper if you don't have to. I would do hyposalinity.

There are varying ways of proactively treating fish for ick. The good thing about copper is that it will treat ick and velvet, both of which are deadly. Hypo can also be difficult for some to do. Copper is a bit easier, especially Cupramine, to use.

03/31/2012, 11:45 PM	#1
Lofty Registered Member. Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Phoenix Posts: 779	multiple quarantine? Does anyone see a problem with quarantining a Kole tang, a diamond goby and copper band butterfly at the same time?... I have a 26 gal bow front as a qt? I will be propylactively be treatint with copper... An making sure the cbb is eating before adding to dt? Any thoughts? I plan to qt for 3-4 weeks with copper treatment

04/01/2012, 05:50 PM	#4
Ron Reefman Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Cape Coral, FL Posts: 10,431	My purple tang and mueller's butterfly hate eachother. I couldn't keep them together in a 180g tank! The purple tang is currently living in my frag tank! __________________ The good thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe in it. (Neil deGrasse Tyson) Visit my build thread http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2593017

04/01/2012, 06:09 PM	#5
tkeracer619 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Westminster, CO Posts: 17,289	Copperband needs to be solo. They are to finicky and fragile to be with others during qt. If you don't get lucky and get one that is already eating (i wouldn't buy one I don't see eat) then odds are it will be to shy to eat when other fish are flying around snagging the food. __________________ Hobby Experience: 9200ish gallons, 26 skimmers, and a handful of Kent Scrapers. Current Tank: Vortech Powered 600G SPS Tank w/ 100gal frag tank & 100g Sump. RK2-RK10 Skimmer. ReefAngel. Radium 20k.

04/02/2012, 11:20 AM	#9
Hal Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Longmont, CO Posts: 1,889	I currently have a diamond goby and a CBB in my QT tank. They've only been in there for 3 days. The goby just started eating yesterday (PE mysis), but I've only seen the CBB pick at the large live rock piece that I added to the QT. I haven't seen it eat any frozen food yet. I'm thinking about ordering some live blackworms to help it along. I threw in a little neck clam yesterday, but haven't checked to see if it's eaten. __________________ Some days it's not even worth chewing through the restraints. Current Tank Info: 250g starphire: 72x28x30, BeanAnimal drain with an oversized non-durso emergency drain, 4 inch DSB, 3x Reefbreeders Value LED fixtures, SWC/MSX 300A skimmer, Geo kalk reactor, 3 Vortechs w/bb, carbon reactor, and a RKL

04/02/2012, 04:42 PM	#11
gmoney243 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 101	Why treat copper if you don't have to. I would do hyposalinity. __________________ 180g Oceanic RR Mixed SPS Dom , DIY LED, DIY Algae Scrubber

04/01/2012, 05:11 PM	#2
Lofty Registered Member. Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Phoenix Posts: 779	No takers in this one? Bump for thoughts.

04/01/2012, 05:30 PM	#3
Aimforever Premium Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 281	It depends how large the fish are. If the tang & copperband are very small, say 2-3 inches or less, it may be okay for the short term QT. However, you'll have to keep a close eye on them for signs of stress or aggression and make sure they have some hiding spots. If they are much larger than that I wouldn't risk it. Just my 2c.

04/01/2012, 06:12 PM	#6
arch85 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 55	I wouldn't QT more than one fish unless the two of them help each other de-stress. Part of the reason to QT is to allow the fish to get used to captivity in a stress-free environment; having another fish in such a small area just adds more unnecessary stress. The only time I would add more than one fish in the QT is if there is some sort of a symbiotic relationship -- for example, we have our powder brown tang in the QT tank with the neon goby, because the neon goby helps the tang stay clean of pests and parasites http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lon6QNnfpI

04/01/2012, 08:06 PM	#8
Reefing Newbie Registered Member. Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Minnesota Posts: 2,435	The only time I QT multiple fish is when they need to be added together (with the exception of this first round). Like with a pair of fairy wrasses. QT females separate you run a risk of it going male before you even get it with your male fairy wrasse. Anthias are another example of where you want the group together so you don't have multiple males (unless your tank is very large). Sensitive fish like the CBB should be QTd alone so they are able to eat without competition. You want them to adjust without the hassle of other fish.

04/02/2012, 04:37 PM	#10
Lofty Registered Member. Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Phoenix Posts: 779	Wow... good response this time around.... Okay, so I would probably do the Diamond Goby or the Kole Tang 1st. If that is advisable. I understand the intracacies of dealing with the CBB and probably would benifit in haveing the DT more established before introdicing it. So the Dimond Goby is a sand sifter, would not hvaing any substrate be a problem for this fish. I have read threads where people would take a couple cups out of the DT and place it in a dish for the Goby... Obviously the pod population of this small amount of sand wqould be depleted quickly, so what types of food should I be feeding to "train" with? And obviosly if I am pretreating with copper the pods will not survive and the sand is junk afterwards.

04/03/2012, 08:21 AM	#13
Dugless Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Spokane, WA Posts: 416	Just an FYI, hypo is 1.008-1.009.