Blue Carpet Splitting...... - Page 2

Rapide · 07/26/2012, 05:02 AM

Reefvette, I'm not a scientist

I do have an education in ichthyology, but I don't work in that field... As I said, I don't take a side in this matter. I was just making a point that you never know until you know, you know? Haha!

There has been stories told about haddonis splitting, but as it has been said no scientific reportation... I'm not an expert of this, but asuxual reproduction of this species is not impossible! It would still be nice to know if this really happened. And as Reefvette said, it is such a rare thing that I might have taken some shots too to prove it

Rapide · 07/26/2012, 05:08 AM

"Split happens, and then you die"
Hahahaha!!

Sethjamto · 07/26/2012, 06:33 AM

Wow.....some serious doubt in this room! Pics do it for me! I find it funny that all these people doubt you because you didn't fire up the high speed HD movie cameras to document it in slow motion! Lol

Reefvette · 07/26/2012, 07:40 AM

No one ask for HD.

Have you ever had an anemone split?

There is a point where the two halves need to seperate and the tearing of the mouth or disc would have to be seen. Its doesnt take 5 minutes. Sometimes it can take hours or days.

Its like those before and after shots of people that lose weight, i could tell you they lost weight using a new diet but it was actually lap band.

killerbubbles · 07/26/2012, 08:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Taipan

Hi there. Here are the answers to your questions:

1.) Over the course of approx. 20 years of keeping marine systems (starting out with FOWLR); I've had approx. 4 (including this one) split on me. The others weren't Blue but Green. Either dark Green or light Green Carpet Anemones.

before this latest split, when was the most recent previous split?

elegance coral · 07/26/2012, 10:15 AM

The more extraordinary the claims, the more extraordinary the evidence needs to be to support them.

What we have here are some incredible claims with absolutely no evidence to back them up. I can claim that my clowns gave live birth, then post pic's of mom, pop, and junior. What does that prove???? Nothing! Clowns don't give live birth, bears don't lay eggs, and haddonis don't split.

If I took two anemones, one bleached, one not bleached, cut them both in half, then posted pic's of the aftermath. I would have the exact same evidence shown in this thread. The evidence presented here does not come close to substantiating the overwhelmingly incredible claims that are being made.

I would be more inclined to believe in photos of big foot than for one person to have four different haddonis split in their care, and to have one haddoni, after being cut in half......... I mean split, recover from extreme bleaching in a few days. These things don't happen, never have happened, never will happen, and we have absolutely no evidence to suggest that they may happen.

IMHO, we have photos of two different anemones that have met their fate on a chopping block. Nothing more.

The only thing threads like this accomplish is to encourage more people to send their anemones to the chopping block, and the anemones slow, gruesome demise.

Patricklong · 07/26/2012, 10:21 AM

Damn, I surprised he isnt burning at the stakes already. Or stones tied to his feet and see if he floats.

Could it be that it was actually TWO carpets, that just LOOKED like one?

velvetelvis · 07/26/2012, 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elegance coral

The more extraordinary the claims, the more extraordinary the evidence needs to be to support them.

What we have here are some incredible claims with absolutely no evidence to back them up. I can claim that my clowns gave live birth, then post pic's of mom, pop, and junior. What does that prove???? Nothing! Clowns don't give live birth, bears don't lay eggs, and haddonis don't split.

If I took two anemones, one bleached, one not bleached, cut them both in half, then posted pic's of the aftermath. I would have the exact same evidence shown in this thread. The evidence presented here does not come close to substantiating the overwhelmingly incredible claims that are being made.

I would be more inclined to believe in photos of big foot than for one person to have four different haddonis split in their care, and to have one haddoni, after being cut in half......... I mean split, recover from extreme bleaching in a few days. These things don't happen, never have happened, never will happen, and we have absolutely no evidence to suggest that they may happen.

IMHO, we have photos of two different anemones that have met their fate on a chopping block. Nothing more.

The only thing threads like this accomplish is to encourage more people to send their anemones to the chopping block, and the anemones slow, gruesome demise.

I have to agree. Not trying to rain on anybody's parade here, but I'm more inclined to trust the consensus of the scientific community than I am to give credence to anecdotes--even if they are accompanied by pictures.

phender · 07/26/2012, 12:33 PM

I would love to think that haddoni carpets can reproduce asexually. I have seen circumstances where they seem to "bud" but it may be result of injury and the process took a long time (months) and even then I have not seen it result in two completely separate anemones.

Maybe I am being too critical, like EC said, things just don't add up. 1) Haddonis just don't heal like BTAs or Mags. You run a BTA or Mag through a powerhead and its healed in a couple weeks. If a haddoni is damaged in a powerhead it takes months if it recovers at all. 2) Anemones don't go from bleached to fully colored up in "a few days". 3) The information given in another thread about the split does not match up exactly with the info given in this thread. 4) The OP has been a member on this board since 2003, has had this happen "several" times in his tank but never thought to mention it until now? 5) The OP has been a member since 2003, yet his first ever post was 6 days ago and since then has built up 26 posts. Sounds like someone's kid is using dads account.

Now, I hope I am wrong, but when I look at the pictures I see an anemone that has been cut in half and placed back in the tank. After the split neither one is attached to anything in any of the subsequent pics. One half didn't make it, another anemone was cut in half and is trying to be passed off as the other half.

I have heard of haddonis splitting before as well, but in those cases they didn't split like this, as I said before, it took months, not hours.

I hate being like this but (pardon the pun), it just smells fishy.

dc · 07/26/2012, 12:43 PM

And with that, I think we'll close this thread.

07/26/2012, 06:33 AM	#28
Sethjamto Registered Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Mobile, AL Posts: 845	Wow.....some serious doubt in this room! Pics do it for me! I find it funny that all these people doubt you because you didn't fire up the high speed HD movie cameras to document it in slow motion! Lol __________________ 8ft 300g, Reeflo Dart Gold return, MRC 48" High-flo reef sump, MRC MR4 dual beckett Skimmer, (2) Reefbreeders Photon 48's, Reef Angel, LMIII continuous water change/ATO setup..

07/26/2012, 07:40 AM	#29
Reefvette Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: NJ Posts: 1,675	No one ask for HD. Have you ever had an anemone split? There is a point where the two halves need to seperate and the tearing of the mouth or disc would have to be seen. Its doesnt take 5 minutes. Sometimes it can take hours or days. Its like those before and after shots of people that lose weight, i could tell you they lost weight using a new diet but it was actually lap band. __________________ Stop Clownin!!! Are you crazy

07/26/2012, 10:15 AM	#31
elegance coral They call me EC Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: central Florida Posts: 6,208	The more extraordinary the claims, the more extraordinary the evidence needs to be to support them. What we have here are some incredible claims with absolutely no evidence to back them up. I can claim that my clowns gave live birth, then post pic's of mom, pop, and junior. What does that prove???? Nothing! Clowns don't give live birth, bears don't lay eggs, and haddonis don't split. If I took two anemones, one bleached, one not bleached, cut them both in half, then posted pic's of the aftermath. I would have the exact same evidence shown in this thread. The evidence presented here does not come close to substantiating the overwhelmingly incredible claims that are being made. I would be more inclined to believe in photos of big foot than for one person to have four different haddonis split in their care, and to have one haddoni, after being cut in half......... I mean split, recover from extreme bleaching in a few days. These things don't happen, never have happened, never will happen, and we have absolutely no evidence to suggest that they may happen. IMHO, we have photos of two different anemones that have met their fate on a chopping block. Nothing more. The only thing threads like this accomplish is to encourage more people to send their anemones to the chopping block, and the anemones slow, gruesome demise. __________________ "Most of the failures with marine aquaria are due to lack of knowledge of the biological processes that occur in the aquarium." Martin A. Moe, Jr. "A scientist seeks the truth, wherever that may lead. A believer already knows the truth, and cannot be swayed no matter how compelling the evidence." Current Tank Info: I'm trying to see how many tanks will fit in my house before the wife loses it.

07/26/2012, 12:33 PM	#34
phender Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Yorba Linda, CA Posts: 4,561	I would love to think that haddoni carpets can reproduce asexually. I have seen circumstances where they seem to "bud" but it may be result of injury and the process took a long time (months) and even then I have not seen it result in two completely separate anemones. Maybe I am being too critical, like EC said, things just don't add up. 1) Haddonis just don't heal like BTAs or Mags. You run a BTA or Mag through a powerhead and its healed in a couple weeks. If a haddoni is damaged in a powerhead it takes months if it recovers at all. 2) Anemones don't go from bleached to fully colored up in "a few days". 3) The information given in another thread about the split does not match up exactly with the info given in this thread. 4) The OP has been a member on this board since 2003, has had this happen "several" times in his tank but never thought to mention it until now? 5) The OP has been a member since 2003, yet his first ever post was 6 days ago and since then has built up 26 posts. Sounds like someone's kid is using dads account. Now, I hope I am wrong, but when I look at the pictures I see an anemone that has been cut in half and placed back in the tank. After the split neither one is attached to anything in any of the subsequent pics. One half didn't make it, another anemone was cut in half and is trying to be passed off as the other half. I have heard of haddonis splitting before as well, but in those cases they didn't split like this, as I said before, it took months, not hours. I hate being like this but (pardon the pun), it just smells fishy. __________________ Phil Current Tank Info: 50 gal reef, used to have - 60 gal reef, 40 gal reef, 2-20 gal clownfish tanks which were also reefs.

07/26/2012, 12:43 PM	#35
dc Moderator Emeritus Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Wyoming Posts: 44,684	And with that, I think we'll close this thread. __________________ Debi ~60 Cube~ Why? Because I said so of course. -Sent via Tapatalk Smoke Signals-

07/26/2012, 05:02 AM	#26
Rapide Registered Member. Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Finland Posts: 390	Reefvette, I'm not a scientist I do have an education in ichthyology, but I don't work in that field... As I said, I don't take a side in this matter. I was just making a point that you never know until you know, you know? Haha! There has been stories told about haddonis splitting, but as it has been said no scientific reportation... I'm not an expert of this, but asuxual reproduction of this species is not impossible! It would still be nice to know if this really happened. And as Reefvette said, it is such a rare thing that I might have taken some shots too to prove it

07/26/2012, 05:08 AM	#27
Rapide Registered Member. Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Finland Posts: 390	"Split happens, and then you die" Hahahaha!!

07/26/2012, 10:21 AM	#32
Patricklong Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Cypress TX Posts: 224	Damn, I surprised he isnt burning at the stakes already. Or stones tied to his feet and see if he floats. Could it be that it was actually TWO carpets, that just LOOKED like one?