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Sharkey18 · 11/14/2012, 08:33 AM

Surprised no one has mentioned UV. UV can drastically help with an outbreak. It kills the free floating parasites and give your fish a fighting chance to recover. It can also prevent future outbreaks from getting to the point where the fish are in danger.

I run UV on my DT AND my QT. I have successfully treated ich and a bad case of velvet this way.

You need to QT your fish, treat with copper, and add UV to both systems. I know the transfer method is supposed to be less stressful on the fish but I don't buy it. First all those transfer cause stress, no doubt. And in the end you are going to lose your fish anyhow because it didn't work.

Attack head on.

Good luck!

ReefUrchin · 11/14/2012, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by CenterConsole

I have heard there's a new "super strand" of ich, apparently it can survive a copper or hypo treatment. Supposedly quinine sulfate kills this strand, crypto pro is the medicine that has QS in it. I've been doing a lot of research on it lately since its safe to use on puffers and eels.

I have got 30 grams of the stuff and about been through 60 more grams of it. It will kill the fish before it will kill whatever strain of ick I had. Remember, this is the mutant ick I am talking about. A year later, and the ick on the new fish I got, copper did kill. Thats great, right? Well, copper will kill the ick in the QT, but, what do you do with the stuff in the DT? Drain and clean like I said was the ONLY way. I am not saying my word is god (as I am only gods advisor), but, i have solid proof nothing else worked, not heresay that a lot of people give.

Editors note: If it is normal ick and not super mutant ick, i am sure any method hypo/tank transfer/sulphate etc will get rid of it.

Just saying, for the OP's issue.

richib86 · 11/14/2012, 01:54 PM

so after super storm sandy hit and i was without power for 9 days, obviously all my fish, my fire shrimp and my emerald crab were gone and my tank a gross mess with lots of big worms that had crawled out of the rocks and died on my sand bed, i had 7 snails survive, a large halloween hermit and several blue hermits also survive. i had a pretty bad ick out break some time prior that wasnt going away. so i sucked out all the sand and got rid of everything that had died in the tank and finally got my water parameters back to normal with several water changes.
i found this a good time to upgrade my tank. the tank is coming soon and i was going to use this water as it has cycled. should i start completely new? if i use this water, are my chances high of that ich returning?

MellowReefer · 11/14/2012, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by richib86

so after super storm sandy hit and i was without power for 9 days, obviously all my fish, my fire shrimp and my emerald crab were gone and my tank a gross mess with lots of big worms that had crawled out of the rocks and died on my sand bed, i had 7 snails survive, a large halloween hermit and several blue hermits also survive. i had a pretty bad ick out break some time prior that wasnt going away. so i sucked out all the sand and got rid of everything that had died in the tank and finally got my water parameters back to normal with several water changes.
i found this a good time to upgrade my tank. the tank is coming soon and i was going to use this water as it has cycled. should i start completely new? if i use this water, are my chances high of that ich returning?

If you use anything from your old tank where the fish had ich (the water, the rocks, the snails, etc.) then you need to run the tank for at least 2 months before adding a single fish. If you add new coral or inverts or live rock you start the clock over for 2 months. QT all new fish and all new corals/inverts (separately of course) treating the fish with copper (IMO because sometimes hypo doesn't work).

ReefUrchin · 11/14/2012, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by richib86

so after super storm sandy hit and i was without power for 9 days, obviously all my fish, my fire shrimp and my emerald crab were gone and my tank a gross mess with lots of big worms that had crawled out of the rocks and died on my sand bed, i had 7 snails survive, a large halloween hermit and several blue hermits also survive. i had a pretty bad ick out break some time prior that wasnt going away. so i sucked out all the sand and got rid of everything that had died in the tank and finally got my water parameters back to normal with several water changes.
i found this a good time to upgrade my tank. the tank is coming soon and i was going to use this water as it has cycled. should i start completely new? if i use this water, are my chances high of that ich returning?

Read my previous posts and do what I did. Why even chance it, unless you were having fun with the ick.

CRJ · 11/14/2012, 04:46 PM

lowering your salinity and feeding garlic/seaweed will help boost their immune system and fight off ich.

Id get them in a QT tank with fresh salt water. FW dip them if you feel brave enough. Then drain you tank and restart. scrub it, boil your rocks, vinegar the tank.

Treat it like a velvet outbreak.

daisy002 · 11/14/2012, 06:31 PM

Wow, I don't have a large system or anything, but this is extremely interesting from a research point of view. Obviously, there is a mutated strand of these little parasites that copper does not bother, and has found some mechanism to overcome it. I'm not sure of the mechanism that copper embraces to stop some strands of the ich, but I think I may look into how this tiny invertebrate has gotten around that mechanism. I don't know of any Universities or research centers that research this, but I'm sure there are people looking at this strain somewhere. I'm not sure how you could figure it out...

It would be really cool if there was a virus or something that would infect the parasite and kill or make it more susceptible to a particular treatment. I don't think you'd be able to keep it from infecting other invertebrates, but this sure would be an interesting research topic. It would make a great treatment for a QT though.

I guess I'm just babbling, but it sure would be cool.

Curious George · 11/14/2012, 06:39 PM

Consider a UV Sterilizer. Controversial to some, proven to me. I have never had a problem when running the correct sized UV with the correct flow, even with "ich prone" fish.

PM me if you'd like some more info on why I believe UV works and the mistakes that people make with UV to think that it isn't effective.

tapio · 11/14/2012, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Curious George

PM me if you'd like some more info on why I believe UV works and the mistakes that people make with UV to think that it isn't effective.

Why not post it here for everyone. UV may not get rid of Ich, but there seems to be enough anecdotal evidence it is doing some good in managing the disease.

MellowReefer · 11/14/2012, 09:45 PM

To the OP if you're still reading this - before I could get my fish out for treatment, I gave them Kent's Zoecon (a liquid food additive) which my LFS owner told me helps alot, and one fish that looked near death was perfectly fine the next day. Unless it was just the coincidence of the life cycle of ich. But its worth a try. Hope that helps.

11/14/2012, 08:33 AM	#26
Sharkey18 Premium Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 39	Surprised no one has mentioned UV. UV can drastically help with an outbreak. It kills the free floating parasites and give your fish a fighting chance to recover. It can also prevent future outbreaks from getting to the point where the fish are in danger. I run UV on my DT AND my QT. I have successfully treated ich and a bad case of velvet this way. You need to QT your fish, treat with copper, and add UV to both systems. I know the transfer method is supposed to be less stressful on the fish but I don't buy it. First all those transfer cause stress, no doubt. And in the end you are going to lose your fish anyhow because it didn't work. Attack head on. Good luck!

11/14/2012, 01:54 PM	#28
richib86 Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 51	so after super storm sandy hit and i was without power for 9 days, obviously all my fish, my fire shrimp and my emerald crab were gone and my tank a gross mess with lots of big worms that had crawled out of the rocks and died on my sand bed, i had 7 snails survive, a large halloween hermit and several blue hermits also survive. i had a pretty bad ick out break some time prior that wasnt going away. so i sucked out all the sand and got rid of everything that had died in the tank and finally got my water parameters back to normal with several water changes. i found this a good time to upgrade my tank. the tank is coming soon and i was going to use this water as it has cycled. should i start completely new? if i use this water, are my chances high of that ich returning?

11/14/2012, 04:46 PM	#31
CRJ Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Ontario Canada Posts: 304	lowering your salinity and feeding garlic/seaweed will help boost their immune system and fight off ich. Id get them in a QT tank with fresh salt water. FW dip them if you feel brave enough. Then drain you tank and restart. scrub it, boil your rocks, vinegar the tank. Treat it like a velvet outbreak.

11/14/2012, 06:31 PM	#32
daisy002 Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Huntsville, AL Posts: 85	Wow, I don't have a large system or anything, but this is extremely interesting from a research point of view. Obviously, there is a mutated strand of these little parasites that copper does not bother, and has found some mechanism to overcome it. I'm not sure of the mechanism that copper embraces to stop some strands of the ich, but I think I may look into how this tiny invertebrate has gotten around that mechanism. I don't know of any Universities or research centers that research this, but I'm sure there are people looking at this strain somewhere. I'm not sure how you could figure it out... It would be really cool if there was a virus or something that would infect the parasite and kill or make it more susceptible to a particular treatment. I don't think you'd be able to keep it from infecting other invertebrates, but this sure would be an interesting research topic. It would make a great treatment for a QT though. I guess I'm just babbling, but it sure would be cool.

11/14/2012, 06:39 PM	#33
Curious George Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 748	Consider a UV Sterilizer. Controversial to some, proven to me. I have never had a problem when running the correct sized UV with the correct flow, even with "ich prone" fish. PM me if you'd like some more info on why I believe UV works and the mistakes that people make with UV to think that it isn't effective.

11/14/2012, 09:45 PM	#35
MellowReefer Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 854	To the OP if you're still reading this - before I could get my fish out for treatment, I gave them Kent's Zoecon (a liquid food additive) which my LFS owner told me helps alot, and one fish that looked near death was perfectly fine the next day. Unless it was just the coincidence of the life cycle of ich. But its worth a try. Hope that helps.