Quick QT Filtration Question

DanangMonkey · 03/01/2013, 12:32 PM

I originally purchased a cheap-O PETCO HOB Power filter for 5-15Gal for use on my 10G QT ..... Well, what a coincidence, here's the link! :

http://www.petco.com/product/120137/...FishFC_Filters

I also have a larger Aqueon HOB I puchased for temporary use on my DT which is rated for 75 Gal...

I am setting up my QT for a new arrival (a single small long nose angel) and deciding between the PETCO-Cheepo or the LARGE Aqueon. The Aqueon would obviously provide superior filtration and higher turnover, but it may be overkill for a 10Gal tank.

Also... I have Fluval 406 loaded with Fluval Biomedia donuts that are all juiced up and ready to go from the DT. Should I just dump these into the water chamber of the HOB Power filters (whichever i choose?) and leave out the carbon filter pads??

Thanks for all assistance in advance.

Cymonous · 03/01/2013, 12:39 PM

Wouldn't the siphon tube of the larger HOB be too long for this little 10gal? If it can fit, I don't see why not. You will get more water movement with the larger HOB.

Yes, you would put those rings in the HOB Filter and leave out the carbon.

wooden_reefer · 03/01/2013, 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DanangMonkey

I originally purchased a cheap-O PETCO HOB Power filter for 5-15Gal for use on my 10G QT ..... Well, what a coincidence, here's the link! :

http://www.petco.com/product/120137/...FishFC_Filters

I also have a larger Aqueon HOB I puchased for temporary use on my DT which is rated for 75 Gal...

I am setting up my QT for a new arrival (a single small long nose angel) and deciding between the PETCO-Cheepo or the LARGE Aqueon. The Aqueon would obviously provide superior filtration and higher turnover, but it may be overkill for a 10Gal tank.

Also... I have Fluval 406 loaded with Fluval Biomedia donuts that are all juiced up and ready to go from the DT. Should I just dump these into the water chamber of the HOB Power filters (whichever i choose?) and leave out the carbon filter pads??

Thanks for all assistance in advance.

A larger HOT filter is good to use. Don't get one intended for a ten gal freshwater tank. Get one intended for a 30-40 gal freshwater tank.

You have to cycle the medium for QT for sure.

Indymann99 · 03/01/2013, 05:06 PM

So a couple of thoughts... a 10g QT may be WORSE for your fish than no QT... I run a 20g and its borderline. Also the small size will mean you will need to have to topoff 2x a day, I have to topoff every night on my 20g. I picked mine up at LFS during the $1 per gal sales that all stores seem to have.

I just run a powerhead with a sponge filter.

Trick I learned, mark the waterline at the proper SG, then when you need to topoff you just add FW till you are back at the line... back to correct SG (no measuring).

NOTE you can ignore all the plumbing.. I am lazy and like to be able to pump water from my DT or Mix tank into the QT, also pump water out of QT to drain (small pump in the Qt tank by the heater - set at water level for a 30% change).

When not in use

wooden_reefer · 03/01/2013, 05:14 PM

Nothing is worse than no QT.

No QT means a source of cheap stuffs on Craigslist.

A ten gal is not ideal but could do for some type of fish; the type that are small, do not cruise around much even in the ocean, and feeding eagerly at he LFS even when in confinement.

Indymann99 · 03/01/2013, 05:41 PM

I was only trying to point out that a 10g QT is pretty small and Ammonia or SG change can happen so fast with a tank that small and could be the cause of mortality...

A long time ago I posted the following:

3 kinds of people in our hobby

1. Those who QT
2. Those who wish they did
3. Those who dont and continue to battle ich and other issues and wonder why.

I am a BIG fan of QT.

4 weeks min. I personally dont proactively medicate but observe and med if necessary. I often do hypo.

wooden_reefer · 03/01/2013, 05:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indymann99

I was only trying to point out that a 10g QT is pretty small and Ammonia or SG change can happen so fast with a tank that small and could be the cause of mortality...

A long time ago I posted the following:

3 kinds of people in our hobby

1. Those who QT
2. Those who wish they did
3. Those who dont and continue to battle ich and other issues and wonder why.

I am a BIG fan of QT.

4 weeks min. I personally dont proactively medicate but observe and med if necessary. I often do hypo.

Ammonia should and will NEVER surge if you had cycle the medium properly even in a 10 gal. SG movment is also not significant. 10 gal is not a bowl.

Ammonia will surge even in a 100 gal if you had not cycled the medium for QT properly.

The only exception is if an antibiotic has to be used.

Ammonia or not has ZERO to do with the size of the QT; Ammonia has more to do with the process of cycling, and infrequently the size of the filter chamber or amount of medium.

wooden_reefer · 03/01/2013, 06:43 PM

The size of the QT tank needed is mostly behaviorial, water chemical quality is dependent on filtration not the size of the tank.

There are small considerations such as temp stability perhaps.

DanangMonkey · 03/01/2013, 10:29 PM

UMMMMMMM folks???

I was asking about the size of the power filter, not debating over the size of the QT?

Can anyone answer my question ?

I ran the Petco-Cheepo power head for a few small clownfish, but now that my Aqueon 75 is free i would prefer to use that if it's not overkill.

PS...for what its worth ... Yes there willl be One small-medium fish, already spent 2 weeks of QT at a reliabe and knowledgeable LFS. Voracious appetitite (persoanlly witnessed in the LFS)... Yes he will spend 4 weeks in my own QT... Bio media (donuts) is mature (2 months in a Fuval 406 circulating a very stable 75Gal tank). I may even thow in the bio sponge if theres room (again depends on my power filter question)...... I am anal about checking the tanks 100 times a day, so no problem catching spikes of anything.

hogfanreefer · 03/02/2013, 10:01 AM

I'm a complete newb so take it for what it's worth. It's probably overkill but I don't see how it could be a bad thing. Lot's more room for media and surface area for bacteria in the bigger filter.

My Aquaclear has a lever that you can adjust flow. If you think you're getting too much flow (not sure that's possible even with that much oversized filter) you can adjust it down very easily.

bnumair · 03/02/2013, 10:56 AM

go for it buddy, i have emperor 400 (rated for 80gal) on my 20gal qt.

03/01/2013, 12:32 PM	#1
DanangMonkey Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Da Nang, Viet Nam Posts: 106	Quick QT Filtration Question I originally purchased a cheap-O PETCO HOB Power filter for 5-15Gal for use on my 10G QT ..... Well, what a coincidence, here's the link! : http://www.petco.com/product/120137/...FishFC_Filters I also have a larger Aqueon HOB I puchased for temporary use on my DT which is rated for 75 Gal... I am setting up my QT for a new arrival (a single small long nose angel) and deciding between the PETCO-Cheepo or the LARGE Aqueon. The Aqueon would obviously provide superior filtration and higher turnover, but it may be overkill for a 10Gal tank. Also... I have Fluval 406 loaded with Fluval Biomedia donuts that are all juiced up and ready to go from the DT. Should I just dump these into the water chamber of the HOB Power filters (whichever i choose?) and leave out the carbon filter pads?? Thanks for all assistance in advance. __________________ “Criticism is just someone else’s opinion. It is up to you to choose to believe some of it, none of it, or all of it. What you think is what counts.” ― Rodolfo Costa

03/01/2013, 12:39 PM	#2
Cymonous My Clown Attacks Me Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Akron, OH Posts: 2,105	Wouldn't the siphon tube of the larger HOB be too long for this little 10gal? If it can fit, I don't see why not. You will get more water movement with the larger HOB. Yes, you would put those rings in the HOB Filter and leave out the carbon. __________________ 100 Gallon Long with 20L sump 10 Gallon Office Tank Current Tank Info: 2 False Percula Clowns, One Spot Foxface, Diamond Watchman Goby, Yellow Tail Damsel, Engineer Goby

03/01/2013, 05:06 PM	#4
Indymann99 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 2,447	So a couple of thoughts... a 10g QT may be WORSE for your fish than no QT... I run a 20g and its borderline. Also the small size will mean you will need to have to topoff 2x a day, I have to topoff every night on my 20g. I picked mine up at LFS during the $1 per gal sales that all stores seem to have. I just run a powerhead with a sponge filter. Trick I learned, mark the waterline at the proper SG, then when you need to topoff you just add FW till you are back at the line... back to correct SG (no measuring). NOTE you can ignore all the plumbing.. I am lazy and like to be able to pump water from my DT or Mix tank into the QT, also pump water out of QT to drain (small pump in the Qt tank by the heater - set at water level for a 30% change). When not in use __________________ 120g DT 100lbs LR / 200 lbs LS, 45g fuge, VectraM1 Return, Herbie drain, 4x RW-8, 2x AI Hydra 26 w AWM, ASM G2, Apex controller, Apex BoB w floats ATO

03/01/2013, 05:41 PM	#6
Indymann99 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 2,447	I was only trying to point out that a 10g QT is pretty small and Ammonia or SG change can happen so fast with a tank that small and could be the cause of mortality... A long time ago I posted the following: 3 kinds of people in our hobby 1. Those who QT 2. Those who wish they did 3. Those who dont and continue to battle ich and other issues and wonder why. I am a BIG fan of QT. 4 weeks min. I personally dont proactively medicate but observe and med if necessary. I often do hypo. __________________ 120g DT 100lbs LR / 200 lbs LS, 45g fuge, VectraM1 Return, Herbie drain, 4x RW-8, 2x AI Hydra 26 w AWM, ASM G2, Apex controller, Apex BoB w floats ATO

03/01/2013, 10:29 PM	#9
DanangMonkey Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Da Nang, Viet Nam Posts: 106	UMMMMMMM folks??? I was asking about the size of the power filter, not debating over the size of the QT? Can anyone answer my question ? I ran the Petco-Cheepo power head for a few small clownfish, but now that my Aqueon 75 is free i would prefer to use that if it's not overkill. PS...for what its worth ... Yes there willl be One small-medium fish, already spent 2 weeks of QT at a reliabe and knowledgeable LFS. Voracious appetitite (persoanlly witnessed in the LFS)... Yes he will spend 4 weeks in my own QT... Bio media (donuts) is mature (2 months in a Fuval 406 circulating a very stable 75Gal tank). I may even thow in the bio sponge if theres room (again depends on my power filter question)...... I am anal about checking the tanks 100 times a day, so no problem catching spikes of anything. __________________ “Criticism is just someone else’s opinion. It is up to you to choose to believe some of it, none of it, or all of it. What you think is what counts.” ― Rodolfo Costa

03/01/2013, 05:14 PM	#5
wooden_reefer Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 4,670	Nothing is worse than no QT. No QT means a source of cheap stuffs on Craigslist. A ten gal is not ideal but could do for some type of fish; the type that are small, do not cruise around much even in the ocean, and feeding eagerly at he LFS even when in confinement.

03/01/2013, 06:43 PM	#8
wooden_reefer Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 4,670	The size of the QT tank needed is mostly behaviorial, water chemical quality is dependent on filtration not the size of the tank. There are small considerations such as temp stability perhaps.

03/02/2013, 10:01 AM	#10
hogfanreefer Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Conway, AR Posts: 2,117	I'm a complete newb so take it for what it's worth. It's probably overkill but I don't see how it could be a bad thing. Lot's more room for media and surface area for bacteria in the bigger filter. My Aquaclear has a lever that you can adjust flow. If you think you're getting too much flow (not sure that's possible even with that much oversized filter) you can adjust it down very easily. __________________ DSA 155,Custom Trigger 42" sump/refugium, MP40 X2, MP 10 X 2, AI Hydra 52 X3, Apex controller, Tunze ATO Current Tank Info: DSA 155 gallon, mixed reef, SPS and wrasse dominant

03/02/2013, 10:56 AM	#11
bnumair Dr. Reef at ur service Join Date: May 2009 Location: Tulsa, Ok, USA Posts: 7,751 Blog Entries: 15	go for it buddy, i have emperor 400 (rated for 80gal) on my 20gal qt. __________________ Water Quality: NO3 0,Phos 0,Cal 440,Alk 7.5,Mag 1300 "Reef Fast, You Crash, Reef Slow, You Pass" Mike's Reef 3:16 Current Tank Info: 350g DT,95g sump, 50g Frag tank, 4800gph return 4x Sea swirls. 6x AI Vega Color. 200# Pukani rock, dual recirculating skimmer, Biopellet, GFO Carbon rx's, Cal rx. Closed loop. 1.5hp chiller, genesis renew. Apex & RKE