Live rock, so much activity? Too much :3

EpZ · 03/04/2013, 04:15 AM

Heyo everyone, im new to this forums so hey

So ive kept tanks for years, various fighting fish , tetras, plecos, guppies and cories off the top of my head and i recently look the plunge into getting a setup for a pair of clown fish.

SO after dealing with the guys at the store for a while i came home with a tank, sand, filters, all the other producty things, a bunch of salt water, hydrometer and such.

I got that all going let it settle for a few days, then i went back a few days ago to get my life rock. Just want to throw in how amazing this stuff is, that being said i think im having some issues. if its of importance this is what ive spotted so far, with general names not specifics.

6 Shrimp
9 crabs
4 flowers
13 snails
19 star fish ( woah they are amazing

)
973457467345986734509867459 worms

The next day i went and got my plants and things.

I added n over exaggeration to that worm count, its absolutely insane. Mind you this is all coming off 3.7kg of live rock!, i was meant to be going in on thursday which from this post is around 3 days exactly at this time to get my clown fish. Im taking in a water sample to make sure my water is ready and that, but looking at the tank the sheer mass of worms is actually worrying me. So here are my few questions after all that rambling on.

1.Is it normal to get that much life from the rock?
2.Why is there so many worms and is there anything i can do to get rid of them?
3.Will the vast majority of worms kill my other wild life? (starfish are the most im worried about)

Thanks heaps again, and thankyou for letting me join your community

Cheers.

reefinsomnia · 03/04/2013, 04:25 AM

What kind of worms are they? Bristle worms?

EpZ · 03/04/2013, 05:11 AM

from what i can tell they are for the most part yeah.

Slystone · 03/04/2013, 05:19 AM

Do you intend to keep coral someday? If so, you should show us a picture of the starfish, they may be unwanted. It doesn't sound like you intended to set up a quarantine tank for those clown fish. Please read the stickies and reconsider.

reefinsomnia · 03/04/2013, 05:22 AM

If you have the asterina starfish that came on your liverock they are not reef safe. They will munch away on your zoas and palys if you ever decided to keep some. Getting rid of them is easy, just get a harlequin shrimp. Bristleworms are actually good for your tank since they will clean out the detritus. Fireworms are the only ones you should be worried about. If you want to control the population get either a sixline wrasse, or a melanurus wrasse.

Surgical · 03/04/2013, 07:16 AM

Or an arrow crab! They are a delight to watch while eating bristle worms, and are reef safe too.

Deinonych · 03/04/2013, 07:19 AM

How big is your tank? What are your water parameters? You should make sure the tank has fully cycled before adding livestock. And, please quarantine any fish before adding to the main tank.

fishgate · 03/04/2013, 07:44 AM

Seems a bit soon to be adding livestock to that tank.

Wereami881 · 03/04/2013, 08:04 AM

I have a nano JBJ 28 and I notice here you guys are stressing quarantine. I have some coral in the tank, bought the whole set up about 3 weeks ago and tank had been running for a couple of years. Should I still quarantine? If so how best should I set up one? Only putting in a couple of clowns in a few weeks. Maybe a mated pair.

By the way my name is Rob I'm new here.

Wereami881 · 03/04/2013, 08:06 AM

PS I have 3 peppermint shrimp because the tank had some unwanted Aiptasia anemone's in it. Should I add and clean up crew?

worm5406 · 03/04/2013, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Wereami881

PS I have 3 peppermint shrimp because the tank had some unwanted Aiptasia anemone's in it. Should I add and clean up crew?

What are the levels/tests?

PaulieReef · 03/04/2013, 08:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Surgical

Or an arrow crab! They are a delight to watch while eating bristle worms, and are reef safe too.

Careful with these guys, they are evil, at least the one I had.. he picked off my sleeping fish. Poor guys.

thebkramer · 03/04/2013, 09:15 AM

WELCOME TO RC & THE ADDICTION!!

pics of the things that concern you would be great!! that way we can ID them for you. Only way to really be sure of what you have.
not all asternias are bad.. so you don't have to go crazy trying to kill them. just keep an eye on them.. but for the most part.. you should be fine!!!

PLEASE, Please, please!!! take some time and do some research!!!! NOthing Good happens Fast in this Hobby!!!! make sure your water params are stable before adding anything else!!!! There is Awesome Info in this Forum.. and Experienced & Friendly Reefers here to help!!!

Ask, ask, ask!! as many questions as you feel needed!!!!!

Patience! and Research are your Best Friends in this Hobby!!! along with us here at RC, of course!!!

here are some great links to get you started!!!!

WaterKeepers New to RC
WaterKeepers New to RC2
Capns Log Book
Sk8rs-How to Start a Tank
Sk8rs Blog
Sk8rs Recommended Reads
RO/DI Unit

also take a look at all the stickies up top too!!

What kind of system are you running?? lighting? filtration? etc...
What are your water params??
are you using tap water?? or RO/DI??
and YES.. QT'ing is very important!!! no matter how long the tank has been running before you got it!!! Its still a new tank for you !!!!

I would also look into buying a refractometer!! hydrometers are not very reliable all the time!!!

again... Welcome to RC!!!!!

Take it Slow! and Have Fun with it!!!!!

FTDelta · 03/04/2013, 09:22 AM

I agree with most folks here. Definitely need to stop and slow down to read, research everything about saltwater aquaria keeping. Always QT all livestock, invets and corals... ALWAYS!! 8 weeks minimum to QT all livestock. That's not a joke...

Fish Biscuit · 03/04/2013, 11:41 AM

Slow down & research.

Do NOT put in a harlequin shrimp unless you are prepared to buy starfish for them to eat once the asternias are gone. They only eat starfish, nothing else.

EpZ · 03/05/2013, 03:25 AM

Okay so today i got home from school and everything seems dead and the water is cloudy as heck.

I did everything step by step and things were all fine, Sunday after getting the flower plant things in the tank everything went hay wire.

The worms in the tank at the moment is just astonishing.

whiteshark · 03/05/2013, 05:35 AM

I think you should take a long look at the links posted three posts above you. Seems like you might have went a little too fast, though I'm sure the pet store you got everything from said that would be OK. They tend to lie to make a sale, or are just ignorant which happens often as well.

You are far too vague about what you've put in the tank. You also haven't posted any test results. Do you have any test kits? Did the pet store test your water? Did they tell you what test kits they used and what the exact results were (not just "it's good")? How long has the tank been set up? Did you properly cycle it? What exactly have you put in the tank so far? What kind of filtration system are you using?

Sugar Magnolia · 03/05/2013, 07:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EpZ

Okay so today i got home from school and everything seems dead and the water is cloudy as heck.

I did everything step by step and things were all fine, Sunday after getting the flower plant things in the tank everything went hay wire.

The worms in the tank at the moment is just astonishing.

That's because you rushed into this without doing your research and not doing a proper cycle before adding livestock. Before you add anything else, remove any dead or dying things. Next step, read through ALL of the stickies at the top of this forum. Be sure to purchase test kits so you can track your cycle. You'll need, test kits for ammonia, nitrite, and nitrate.

thebkramer · 03/05/2013, 09:47 AM

troll???

Wereami881 · 03/05/2013, 02:11 PM

Thanks for the help! I will deff get pictures and perimeters up asap! Glad I found this site and you guys! You guys mind if I friend you. I honestly have no clue what if means but someone friend-ed me so figure thats what you do.? lol

Sk8r · 03/05/2013, 02:19 PM

DOn't get arrow crabs. Bristleworms are useful, and if you don't have any, you need them. You don't need crabs larger than micro-hermits.

Deinonych · 03/05/2013, 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wereami881

Thanks for the help! I will deff get pictures and perimeters up asap! Glad I found this site and you guys! You guys mind if I friend you. I honestly have no clue what if means but someone friend-ed me so figure thats what you do.? lol

Please don't hijack this thread. If you need help on a specific issue, please start a new one.

Wereami881 · 03/05/2013, 08:04 PM

EPZ sorry about that I didnt know thats what I was doing. I'll start a new thread.

Wereami881 · 03/05/2013, 08:05 PM

If you guys have time and want to give me a hand or check it out I'll post some pictures maybe you can give me some names. Again I am very sorry. New thread name will be New 28 JBJ Pictures

03/04/2013, 04:15 AM	#1
EpZ Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 3	Live rock, so much activity? Too much :3 Heyo everyone, im new to this forums so hey So ive kept tanks for years, various fighting fish , tetras, plecos, guppies and cories off the top of my head and i recently look the plunge into getting a setup for a pair of clown fish. SO after dealing with the guys at the store for a while i came home with a tank, sand, filters, all the other producty things, a bunch of salt water, hydrometer and such. I got that all going let it settle for a few days, then i went back a few days ago to get my life rock. Just want to throw in how amazing this stuff is, that being said i think im having some issues. if its of importance this is what ive spotted so far, with general names not specifics. 6 Shrimp 9 crabs 4 flowers 13 snails 19 star fish ( woah they are amazing ) 973457467345986734509867459 worms The next day i went and got my plants and things. I added n over exaggeration to that worm count, its absolutely insane. Mind you this is all coming off 3.7kg of live rock!, i was meant to be going in on thursday which from this post is around 3 days exactly at this time to get my clown fish. Im taking in a water sample to make sure my water is ready and that, but looking at the tank the sheer mass of worms is actually worrying me. So here are my few questions after all that rambling on. 1.Is it normal to get that much life from the rock? 2.Why is there so many worms and is there anything i can do to get rid of them? 3.Will the vast majority of worms kill my other wild life? (starfish are the most im worried about) Thanks heaps again, and thankyou for letting me join your community Cheers.

03/04/2013, 05:19 AM	#4
Slystone Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: WI Posts: 258	Do you intend to keep coral someday? If so, you should show us a picture of the starfish, they may be unwanted. It doesn't sound like you intended to set up a quarantine tank for those clown fish. Please read the stickies and reconsider. __________________ Nemomma (><((('> 28 gal nano cube, Rapid LED Retrofit, 50# LR 40# LS 2 ocellaris, yellow watchman goby. Firefish, yellow accessor

03/04/2013, 07:44 AM	#8
fishgate Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Damascus, MD Posts: 3,340	Seems a bit soon to be adding livestock to that tank. __________________ 125RR in-wall, 40B Sump, CS180 BM Skimmer, ATI 4x80 watt, eheim 1262, custom wrap around rock wall, ReefKeeper Elite 120g in-wall, 40B Sump, PC 54wx4, Jabao DC-6000 (full siphon), future seahorse t Current Tank Info: 125g, 120g, 2x40b sumps, ATI 4x80 T5HO

03/04/2013, 09:15 AM	#13
thebkramer Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Clifton Park, NY Posts: 3,198	WELCOME TO RC & THE ADDICTION!! pics of the things that concern you would be great!! that way we can ID them for you. Only way to really be sure of what you have. not all asternias are bad.. so you don't have to go crazy trying to kill them. just keep an eye on them.. but for the most part.. you should be fine!!! PLEASE, Please, please!!! take some time and do some research!!!! NOthing Good happens Fast in this Hobby!!!! make sure your water params are stable before adding anything else!!!! There is Awesome Info in this Forum.. and Experienced & Friendly Reefers here to help!!! Ask, ask, ask!! as many questions as you feel needed!!!!! Patience! and Research are your Best Friends in this Hobby!!! along with us here at RC, of course!!! here are some great links to get you started!!!! WaterKeepers New to RC WaterKeepers New to RC2 Capns Log Book Sk8rs-How to Start a Tank Sk8rs Blog Sk8rs Recommended Reads RO/DI Unit also take a look at all the stickies up top too!! What kind of system are you running?? lighting? filtration? etc... What are your water params?? are you using tap water?? or RO/DI?? and YES.. QT'ing is very important!!! no matter how long the tank has been running before you got it!!! Its still a new tank for you !!!! I would also look into buying a refractometer!! hydrometers are not very reliable all the time!!! again... Welcome to RC!!!!! Take it Slow! and Have Fun with it!!!!! __________________ Rhonda There is NO such things as Dumb Questions!! There are However.. Dumb Answers!!! ;) ____________ Current Tank Info: 55g reef....Current Orbit SunPaq Lights, HOB Eshopps, HOB AquaClear 110, 2-1400 Koralia Powerheads & 1 Nano Koralia, 40+ lbs LR, 2" LS

03/04/2013, 11:41 AM	#15
Fish Biscuit Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Chicago Posts: 1,164	Slow down & research. Do NOT put in a harlequin shrimp unless you are prepared to buy starfish for them to eat once the asternias are gone. They only eat starfish, nothing else. __________________ Michele I enjoy vodka entirely too much to share with the fish. Current Tank Info: 65 rimless with Eshopps R200 sump, current inhabitants randall goby, helfrichi, possum wrasse, barnacle blenny, mandarin, pistol, peppermint, & fire shrimp, snails, hermits, & LPS

03/04/2013, 04:25 AM	#2
reefinsomnia Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 234	What kind of worms are they? Bristle worms?

03/04/2013, 05:11 AM	#3
EpZ Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 3	from what i can tell they are for the most part yeah.

03/04/2013, 05:22 AM	#5
reefinsomnia Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 234	If you have the asterina starfish that came on your liverock they are not reef safe. They will munch away on your zoas and palys if you ever decided to keep some. Getting rid of them is easy, just get a harlequin shrimp. Bristleworms are actually good for your tank since they will clean out the detritus. Fireworms are the only ones you should be worried about. If you want to control the population get either a sixline wrasse, or a melanurus wrasse.

03/04/2013, 07:16 AM	#6
Surgical Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 44	Or an arrow crab! They are a delight to watch while eating bristle worms, and are reef safe too.

03/04/2013, 07:19 AM	#7
Deinonych Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 4,191	How big is your tank? What are your water parameters? You should make sure the tank has fully cycled before adding livestock. And, please quarantine any fish before adding to the main tank.

03/04/2013, 08:04 AM	#9
Wereami881 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 50	I have a nano JBJ 28 and I notice here you guys are stressing quarantine. I have some coral in the tank, bought the whole set up about 3 weeks ago and tank had been running for a couple of years. Should I still quarantine? If so how best should I set up one? Only putting in a couple of clowns in a few weeks. Maybe a mated pair. By the way my name is Rob I'm new here.

03/04/2013, 08:06 AM	#10
Wereami881 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 50	PS I have 3 peppermint shrimp because the tank had some unwanted Aiptasia anemone's in it. Should I add and clean up crew?

03/04/2013, 09:22 AM	#14
FTDelta Moved On Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Central NY Posts: 1,124	I agree with most folks here. Definitely need to stop and slow down to read, research everything about saltwater aquaria keeping. Always QT all livestock, invets and corals... ALWAYS!! 8 weeks minimum to QT all livestock. That's not a joke...

03/05/2013, 03:25 AM	#16
EpZ Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 3	Okay so today i got home from school and everything seems dead and the water is cloudy as heck. I did everything step by step and things were all fine, Sunday after getting the flower plant things in the tank everything went hay wire. The worms in the tank at the moment is just astonishing.

03/05/2013, 05:35 AM	#17
whiteshark Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Bethlehem, PA Posts: 3,024	I think you should take a long look at the links posted three posts above you. Seems like you might have went a little too fast, though I'm sure the pet store you got everything from said that would be OK. They tend to lie to make a sale, or are just ignorant which happens often as well. You are far too vague about what you've put in the tank. You also haven't posted any test results. Do you have any test kits? Did the pet store test your water? Did they tell you what test kits they used and what the exact results were (not just "it's good")? How long has the tank been set up? Did you properly cycle it? What exactly have you put in the tank so far? What kind of filtration system are you using? __________________ Deep Blue 60 gallon cube: Setup in progress.

03/05/2013, 09:47 AM	#19
thebkramer Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Clifton Park, NY Posts: 3,198	troll??? __________________ Rhonda There is NO such things as Dumb Questions!! There are However.. Dumb Answers!!! ;) ____________ Current Tank Info: 55g reef....Current Orbit SunPaq Lights, HOB Eshopps, HOB AquaClear 110, 2-1400 Koralia Powerheads & 1 Nano Koralia, 40+ lbs LR, 2" LS

03/05/2013, 02:11 PM	#20
Wereami881 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 50	Thanks for the help! I will deff get pictures and perimeters up asap! Glad I found this site and you guys! You guys mind if I friend you. I honestly have no clue what if means but someone friend-ed me so figure thats what you do.? lol

03/05/2013, 02:19 PM	#21
Sk8r RC Mod Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Spokane WA Posts: 34,628 Blog Entries: 55	DOn't get arrow crabs. Bristleworms are useful, and if you don't have any, you need them. You don't need crabs larger than micro-hermits. __________________ Sk8r Salinity 1.024-6; alkalinity 8.3-9.3 on KH scale; calcium 420; magnesium 1300, temp 78-80, nitrate .2. Ammonia 0. No filters: lps tank. Alk and cal won't rise if mg is low. Current Tank Info: 105g AquaVim wedge, yellow tang, sailfin blenny,royal gramma, ocellaris clown pair, yellow watchman, 100 microceriths, 25 tiny hermits, a 4" conch, 1" nassarius, recovering from 2 year hiatus with daily water change of 10%.

03/05/2013, 08:04 PM	#23
Wereami881 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 50	EPZ sorry about that I didnt know thats what I was doing. I'll start a new thread.

03/05/2013, 08:05 PM	#24
Wereami881 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 50	If you guys have time and want to give me a hand or check it out I'll post some pictures maybe you can give me some names. Again I am very sorry. New thread name will be New 28 JBJ Pictures