Fish tanks and elctronics tv,home thearter etc...

[mx838]

So we have a flat screen in our living room, bed room, home office and a separate game room. There are three salt water tanks and three malfunctioning of 4 flat screens all within 1.5 years of hanging them. We have all new construction with great ventilation to the house and rooms. We have a 220 gallon, a 92 gallon corner and a red sea 36 gallon. Does anyone have issues like this? 2 of them are sending faulty switch codes and on a power fan for the third time???? input would be appericiated on this if anyone else has had any issues. 3 of these tvs are 50 in so its not something you want to just throw away and replace every 2 years

[snulma1]

I would by a hygrometer and check the humidity in that room. with that much water your are bound to have high humidity which can affect them.

[Allmost]

how high is the humidity and temp in the room ?

I have a 200 gallon tank in a very small room with sump and a 30G seahorse tank, and my TV and other stuff are just fine.

second, is the reef system on the same electric grid as the TVs ?

[AZBigJohn]

Are each of the TVs in a room with an aquarium? I would be surprised to see three different styles of televisions being affected by being in proximity of different aquariums all develop problems at the same time.

Are they all on surge protection? Any lightning strikes in the area? I would lean towards a more specifically electrically-related cause than the aquariums being the culprit, although with newer technology, I guess any type of fault is possible.

[mx838]

same room each affected tv. Humidity is not crazy high its actually right on. The rooms are around 600 sq ft each and have plenty of breathing room. One has a vent near the tank that takes the air externally to keep the humidity in check. There is the room with the 220 that has 14 ft cathedral ceilings and has two ceiling fans in the room as well.

[slief]

I'd be skeptical of the flat screen quality. Depending on the brands and model of the displays, you could be facing similar failure rates as others with the same brand of displays.

More often than not, LCD and plasma failures are attributed to the power supply. Surprisingly, some of the manufacturers of higher end displays will actually put out service bulletons if there are high frequency of failures related to a single component. I had a power supply fail in a Pioneer Plasma well out of warranty. I did some research and found out there had been a power supply recall by which Pioneer was replacing them on an as failed basis through their service network. A call to Pioneer and a service call was scheduled. The power supply was replaced free of charge in spite of the fact that the display was a few years out of warranty.

Having said that, it is possible that your tanks have something to do with it but if your rooms are note overly humid, then I would be doubtful. There are millions of TV's in very humid enviornements around the world and while failure rates may be higher in those areas, I'd highly doubt a 75% failure rate in 18 months would be applicable.

One other area worth looking into is your power. If you have dirty power or have power surges, that could cause a higher than normal failure rate.

[mx838]

Originally Posted by AZBigJohn

Are each of the TVs in a room with an aquarium? I would be surprised to see three different styles of televisions being affected by being in proximity of different aquariums all develop problems at the same time.

Are they all on surge protection? Any lightning strikes in the area? I would lean towards a more specifically electrically-related cause than the aquariums being the culprit, although with newer technology, I guess any type of fault is possible.

Yes they are in same room and yes surge protectors. all Panasonic and one being a 3d tv

[tallball158]

Humidity may be an issue, but I must say that I have also owned two different flat screens located in different parts of my home, and I have had issues with each one. IMO, the quality of products today is crap, and they no longer make things to last.


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[slief]

Originally Posted by mx838

Yes they are in same room and yes surge protectors. all Panasonic and one being a 3d tv

Do they all seem to have the same issue & what exactly are they doing or not doing? Also, what are the models?

[mx838]

one has a relay switch according to the number of blinks, one has a fan problem according to blinks and the third one turns on but you cannot change the channels or volume. all panasonic

[MrIcky]

This sounds like a power supply problem, surge protectors may not cut it. More likely due to frequent small dips in power or chronic low voltage as opposed to surges.

As a side note, modern tv electronics are pretty damn robust considering what all they do.

[rrasco]

I suppose anything is possible but I've never had an issue in a comparable situation. My rimless 105 is in the living room with my main display, but that's a larger room. The ones I would expect to see issues out of (assuming humidity was playing a role) would be in my office. In a roughly 150sq/ft room I have a 150 and 125 in there along with my computer, dual 23"s, and all of my entertainment devices (satellite receiver, audio receiver, 360, ps3, modems, routers, etc).

You said they were all Panasonic. Are they the same model/product line?

[mx838]

Originally Posted by rrasco

I suppose anything is possible but I've never had an issue in a comparable situation. My rimless 105 is in the living room with my main display, but that's a larger room. The ones I would expect to see issues out of (assuming humidity was playing a role) would be in my office. In a roughly 150sq/ft room I have a 150 and 125 in there along with my computer, dual 23"s, and all of my entertainment devices (satellite receiver, audio receiver, 360, ps3, modems, routers, etc).

You said they were all Panasonic. Are they the same model/product line?

No there is 2 two year old 50 in both plasma, and one 50 in 3d about 1.5 year old and all them have triggered since the tanks

[tuber]

one advantage of tank humidity is in the winter with the heat on. before I had the tank the static electricity was so bad I damaged a stereo pre-amp by walking across the carpet and zapping it. some electronics can't take repeated static discharges IME.

[Spyderturbo007]

Panasonic is the leading manufacturer of Plasmas and almost everyone I know that has a plasma has a Panasonic. They have all been trouble free, the oldest of which is probably pushing 8 years old, so I'm not convinced they all just failed around the same time.

I've have a 55g in my living room along with all my other electronics (Plasma, Xbox, PS3, Receiver, XBMC Computer, etc) for the last year with no issues. I'm leaning towards this being some type of power delivery issue if your humidity is within the normal range.

[don_chuwish]

Tanks on the same circuits as the TVs? I can't imagine there'd be enough draw to cause problems with a 15 or 20 amp circuit, but with new construction who knows? Maybe mistakes were made.

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[Dmorty217]

Originally Posted by mx838

So we have a flat screen in our living room, bed room, home office and a separate game room. There are three salt water tanks and three malfunctioning of 4 flat screens all within 1.5 years of hanging them. We have all new construction with great ventilation to the house and rooms. We have a 220 gallon, a 92 gallon corner and a red sea 36 gallon. Does anyone have issues like this? 2 of them are sending faulty switch codes and on a power fan for the third time???? input would be appericiated on this if anyone else has had any issues. 3 of these tvs are 50 in so its not something you want to just throw away and replace every 2 years

I also have a 220g sitting less than 5 feet from my flat screen in our living room and when you walk into the living room you can instantly feel the humidity in the room but I haven't had any issues with it effecting electronics. How much evap do you experience in a week between all of the tanks?

[dkeller_nc]

There's really only one possibility I can think of that's related to your tanks (other than humidity as previously noted), and that would be a high radio frequency environment due to throw-off from unshielded metal halide light cables. Theoretically, this sort of RF could induce currents in the electronics in the tvs.

But this is pretty unlikely; I would place my bet on voltage sags/spikes that doesn't have anything to do with the aquariums. Also, realize that "surge protector" isn't the same thing as "voltage conditioner", and $15 surge protectors from the home store really don't do much to protect electronics. Pretty much the minimum price point for getting halfway decent surge protectors is in the $50 - $75 range, and they get more expensive from there.

To truly protect an electronic device from voltage sags, you need a double conversion power-conditioning UPS with batteries. They aren't cheap - perhaps $400 or so is the minimum price point.

[Rensmif]

Originally Posted by mx838

2 of them are sending faulty switch codes and on a power fan for the third time???? input would be appericiated on this if anyone else has had any issues. 3 of these tvs are 50 in so its not something you want to just throw away and replace every 2 years

Back in 2007 I put a Toshiba 72 inch in my converted garage/family room. I had in this same room a 360 reef and a 240 fowlr.

11 months later (I remember cause it just beat the warranty) the TV would cut off when it warmed up after about 10 minutes and it ACTUALLY said "fan stopped" yes it talked !!

The repair guy found that the cooling fan had went out. He replaced it and said his guess was it was from the saltwater tanks. Long story short, one tank failed, and one was sold, I still have the same TV today, NO problems since.

My experience, and 2cents

[Dmorty217]

Humidity maybe some of the cause but this seems more unlikely the more I think about it, unless the electronics are near the sump??? If TVs and electronics failed all the time because of humidity then no one who lived in Florida would have any electronics that worked

[mx838]

Originally Posted by dkeller_nc

There's really only one possibility I can think of that's related to your tanks (other than humidity as previously noted), and that would be a high radio frequency environment due to throw-off from unshielded metal halide light cables. Theoretically, this sort of RF could induce currents in the electronics in the tvs.

But this is pretty unlikely; I would place my bet on voltage sags/spikes that doesn't have anything to do with the aquariums. Also, realize that "surge protector" isn't the same thing as "voltage conditioner", and $15 surge protectors from the home store really don't do much to protect electronics. Pretty much the minimum price point for getting halfway decent surge protectors is in the $50 - $75 range, and they get more expensive from there.

To truly protect an electronic device from voltage sags, you need a double conversion power-conditioning UPS with batteries. They aren't cheap - perhaps $400 or so is the minimum price point.

There are surge protectors in all the rooms for the electronics. They all cost around 300 ish if I recall. I know they were expensive but spared no cost in getting the correct stuff. The systems in each room are all impressive so we living in the country with possible power surges or outages have covered our bases there