Can apex do vortech like profiles

vette.tech · 10/01/2013, 12:17 PM

I'm deciding on a reef controller, between the apex and reef angel, I know with RA you can control the jebao like a vortech with different modes and sync/anti sync. Can you do the same with the apex, I've tried searching and obviously you can control and vary with apex but is it to the same extent ?

ganjero · 10/01/2013, 12:25 PM

The apex will only let you control ecotech pumps using the ecotech modes (Reef Crest, Lagoon, Short Pulse, etc)and the apex module WXM.

You can control tunzes with the tunze commands through the apex, the tunze commands work to control jebaos. You cannot use the ecotech modes to control tunzes or jebaos.

vette.tech · 10/01/2013, 01:23 PM

forgive my ignorance, but are the tunze programs as "cool" as the vortechs, i'm not looking to copy the vortech per se, but just want that kind of variety

ganjero · 10/01/2013, 01:36 PM

I'm not sure what you defined "cool" in the vortechs but the difference is that the Tunze programming is more "manual" and there are not random algorithms like the ecotech's controllers have or what you can do with a RA controller. i.e the reef crest randomly selects speeds throughout the day.

You have to tell the pump exactly what to do when something happens, whether is time, outlets going on or off, feeding mode, etc.

Randomness is achievable with tunze/jebaos and an apex but it requires little more time than just having a mode already created for you an telling the pump between 6am and 6pm do reefcrest and 6pm to 6am do lagoon mode, or cycle through all modes everyday like you can do if you have vortechs and the wxm module for apex.

This examples are taken from other members:

Example 1
"Profiles:
All are ramp profiles with a ramp time of 1 minute. Note: i kinda programmed mine backwards, if you do this from scratch you can put them in order
PF_1 40%
PF_2 60%
PF_3 70%
PF_4 80%
PF_5 90%
PF_6 100%
PF_7 50%

AM_UP
ramp up from 30 to 70 over 2 minutes

AM_DWN
ramp down from 70 to 30 over 2 minutes

PM_UP
ramp up from 50 to 100 over 2 minutes

PM_DWN
ramp down from 100 to 50 over 2 minutes

PM_NT
ramp start and finish at 30%

Variable speed outlet:
Set PH_7
If Outlet AMtoggleUP = ON Then AM_UP
If Outlet AMtoggleDWN = ON Then AM_DWN
If Outlet PMtoggleUP = ON Then PM_UP
If Outlet PMtoggleDWN = ON Then PM_DWN
If Outlet PHtoggleNT = ON Then PH_NT
If Outlet V_PH1 = ON Then PH_1
If Outlet V_PH2 = ON Then PH_2
If Outlet V_PH3 = ON Then PH_3
If Outlet V_PH4 = ON Then PH_4
If Outlet V_PH5 = ON Then PH_5
If Outlet V_PH6 = ON Then PH_6
If FeedA 000 Then Feed_PH

Virtual outlets:
V_PH1
Fallback OFF
OSC 000:00/000:30/000:45 Then ON
If Time 18:00 to 10:00 Then OFF
If Time 13:00 to 15:00 Then OFF

V_PH2
Fallback OFF
OSC 000:30/000:30/000:45 Then ON
If Time 18:00 to 10:00 Then OFF
If Time 13:00 to 15:00 Then OFF

V_PH3
Fallback OFF
OSC 001:00/000:30/000:45 Then ON
If Time 18:00 to 10:00 Then OFF
If Time 13:00 to 15:00 Then OFF

V_PH4
Fallback OFF
OSC 001:30/000:30/000:45 Then ON
If Time 18:00 to 10:00 Then OFF
If Time 13:00 to 15:00 Then OFF

V_PH5
Fallback OFF
OSC 002:00/000:30/000:45 Then ON
If Time 18:00 to 10:00 Then OFF
If Time 13:00 to 15:00 Then OFF

V_PH6
Fallback OFF
OSC 002:30/000:30/000:45 Then ON
If Time 18:00 to 10:00 Then OFF
If Time 13:00 to 15:00 Then OFF

PMtoggleUP
Set OFF
OSC 000:00/002:00/002:00 Then ON
If Time 16:00 to 14:00 Then OFF

PMtoggleDWN
Set OFF
If Outlet PMtoggleUP = OFF Then ON
If Time 16:00 to 14:00 Then OFF

AMtoggleUP
Set OFF
OSC 000:00/002:00/002:00 Then ON
If Time 20:00 to 08:00 Then OFF
If Time 10:00 to 18:00 Then OFF

AMtoggleDWN
Set OFF
If Outlet AMtoggleUP = OFF Then ON
If Time 20:00 to 08:00 Then OFF
If Time 10:00 to 18:00 Then OFF

PHtoggleNT
Set OFF
If Time 19:59 to 08:00 Then ON

In summary, this is what the programming does:
From midnight to 8:00 the powerheads run at 30%
From 8:00 to 10:00 the pumps go from 30%-70%-30% over 2 minute ramps
From 10:00 to 13:00 the pumps vary randomly between 40-100%
From 13:00 to 15:00 the pumps go from 50%-100%-50% over 2 minute ramps
From 15:00 to 118:00 the pumps vary randomly between 40-100%
From 18:00 to 20:00 the pumps go from 30%-70%-30% over 2 minute ramps
From 20:00 to 24:00 the powerheads run at 30%"

Example 2
"Variable Speed Pump 1 and 2

Stream Rt (This is my Tunze pump on the right side of tank. VS1)

Set Wave1
If Time 10:00 to 10:59 Then duskdawn
If Time 11:00 to 19:00 Then Wave1
If Time 19:01 to 20:00 Then duskdawn
If Outlet Timer = ON Then Flush1
If Time 20:01 to 09:59 Then Night
If FeedA 000 Then OFF

Stream Lt (This is my Tunze pump on the left side of tank. VS2)

Set Wave1
If Time 10:00 to 10:59 Then duskdawn
If Time 11:00 to 19:00 Then Wave1
If Time 19:01 to 20:00 Then duskdawn
If Outlet Timer = ON Then Flush2
If Time 20:01 to 09:59 Then Night
If FeedA 000 Then OFF

Pump Profiles:
Wave 1 (This keeps a constant surge going that makes the corals dance)
Synchronize Enabled
Divide by 10 Enabled
Initial off time (Seconds) 0
On time (Seconds) 7
Off time (Seconds) 4
Minimum intensity 0
Maximum intensity 100

Night (This mode allows for less erratic flow at night)
Synchronize Disabled
Divide by 10 Disabled
Initial off time (Seconds) 0
On time (Seconds) 10
Off time (Seconds) 15
Minimum intensity 30
Maximum intensity 50

Flush 1 (This mixes things up throughout the day)
Synchronize Disabled
Divide by 10 Disabled
Initial off time (Seconds) 0
On time (Seconds) 30
Off time (Seconds) 30
Minimum intensity 0
Maximum intensity 100

Flush2 (This mixes things up throughout the day)
Synchronize Disabled
Divide by 10 Disabled
Initial off time (Seconds) 30
On time (Seconds) 30
Off time (Seconds) 30
Minimum intensity 0
Maximum intensity 100

DuskDawn
Synchronize Enabled
Divide by 10 Enabled
Initial off time (Seconds) 0
On time (Seconds) 7
Off time (Seconds) 4
Minimum intensity 0
Maximum intensity 50

Timer (Used to control the flush cycle)
OSC 060:00/010:00/000:00 Then ON "

vette.tech · 10/01/2013, 02:54 PM

Thank you so much, that was exactly the answer I was looking for!

ganjero · 10/01/2013, 04:24 PM

No problem. Remember it might take more time to get your codes done for the Tunze/Jebao but that also means it's open to more customization.

10/01/2013, 12:17 PM	#1
vette.tech Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Lansdale, PA Posts: 367	Can apex do vortech like profiles I'm deciding on a reef controller, between the apex and reef angel, I know with RA you can control the jebao like a vortech with different modes and sync/anti sync. Can you do the same with the apex, I've tried searching and obviously you can control and vary with apex but is it to the same extent ?

10/01/2013, 01:36 PM	#4
ganjero saiperchémibatteilcorazon Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Clearwater, FL Posts: 4,027	I'm not sure what you defined "cool" in the vortechs but the difference is that the Tunze programming is more "manual" and there are not random algorithms like the ecotech's controllers have or what you can do with a RA controller. i.e the reef crest randomly selects speeds throughout the day. You have to tell the pump exactly what to do when something happens, whether is time, outlets going on or off, feeding mode, etc. Randomness is achievable with tunze/jebaos and an apex but it requires little more time than just having a mode already created for you an telling the pump between 6am and 6pm do reefcrest and 6pm to 6am do lagoon mode, or cycle through all modes everyday like you can do if you have vortechs and the wxm module for apex. This examples are taken from other members: Example 1 "Profiles: All are ramp profiles with a ramp time of 1 minute. Note: i kinda programmed mine backwards, if you do this from scratch you can put them in order PF_1 40% PF_2 60% PF_3 70% PF_4 80% PF_5 90% PF_6 100% PF_7 50% AM_UP ramp up from 30 to 70 over 2 minutes AM_DWN ramp down from 70 to 30 over 2 minutes PM_UP ramp up from 50 to 100 over 2 minutes PM_DWN ramp down from 100 to 50 over 2 minutes PM_NT ramp start and finish at 30% Variable speed outlet: Set PH_7 If Outlet AMtoggleUP = ON Then AM_UP If Outlet AMtoggleDWN = ON Then AM_DWN If Outlet PMtoggleUP = ON Then PM_UP If Outlet PMtoggleDWN = ON Then PM_DWN If Outlet PHtoggleNT = ON Then PH_NT If Outlet V_PH1 = ON Then PH_1 If Outlet V_PH2 = ON Then PH_2 If Outlet V_PH3 = ON Then PH_3 If Outlet V_PH4 = ON Then PH_4 If Outlet V_PH5 = ON Then PH_5 If Outlet V_PH6 = ON Then PH_6 If FeedA 000 Then Feed_PH Virtual outlets: V_PH1 Fallback OFF OSC 000:00/000:30/000:45 Then ON If Time 18:00 to 10:00 Then OFF If Time 13:00 to 15:00 Then OFF V_PH2 Fallback OFF OSC 000:30/000:30/000:45 Then ON If Time 18:00 to 10:00 Then OFF If Time 13:00 to 15:00 Then OFF V_PH3 Fallback OFF OSC 001:00/000:30/000:45 Then ON If Time 18:00 to 10:00 Then OFF If Time 13:00 to 15:00 Then OFF V_PH4 Fallback OFF OSC 001:30/000:30/000:45 Then ON If Time 18:00 to 10:00 Then OFF If Time 13:00 to 15:00 Then OFF V_PH5 Fallback OFF OSC 002:00/000:30/000:45 Then ON If Time 18:00 to 10:00 Then OFF If Time 13:00 to 15:00 Then OFF V_PH6 Fallback OFF OSC 002:30/000:30/000:45 Then ON If Time 18:00 to 10:00 Then OFF If Time 13:00 to 15:00 Then OFF PMtoggleUP Set OFF OSC 000:00/002:00/002:00 Then ON If Time 16:00 to 14:00 Then OFF PMtoggleDWN Set OFF If Outlet PMtoggleUP = OFF Then ON If Time 16:00 to 14:00 Then OFF AMtoggleUP Set OFF OSC 000:00/002:00/002:00 Then ON If Time 20:00 to 08:00 Then OFF If Time 10:00 to 18:00 Then OFF AMtoggleDWN Set OFF If Outlet AMtoggleUP = OFF Then ON If Time 20:00 to 08:00 Then OFF If Time 10:00 to 18:00 Then OFF PHtoggleNT Set OFF If Time 19:59 to 08:00 Then ON In summary, this is what the programming does: From midnight to 8:00 the powerheads run at 30% From 8:00 to 10:00 the pumps go from 30%-70%-30% over 2 minute ramps From 10:00 to 13:00 the pumps vary randomly between 40-100% From 13:00 to 15:00 the pumps go from 50%-100%-50% over 2 minute ramps From 15:00 to 118:00 the pumps vary randomly between 40-100% From 18:00 to 20:00 the pumps go from 30%-70%-30% over 2 minute ramps From 20:00 to 24:00 the powerheads run at 30%" Example 2 "Variable Speed Pump 1 and 2 Stream Rt (This is my Tunze pump on the right side of tank. VS1) Set Wave1 If Time 10:00 to 10:59 Then duskdawn If Time 11:00 to 19:00 Then Wave1 If Time 19:01 to 20:00 Then duskdawn If Outlet Timer = ON Then Flush1 If Time 20:01 to 09:59 Then Night If FeedA 000 Then OFF Stream Lt (This is my Tunze pump on the left side of tank. VS2) Set Wave1 If Time 10:00 to 10:59 Then duskdawn If Time 11:00 to 19:00 Then Wave1 If Time 19:01 to 20:00 Then duskdawn If Outlet Timer = ON Then Flush2 If Time 20:01 to 09:59 Then Night If FeedA 000 Then OFF Pump Profiles: Wave 1 (This keeps a constant surge going that makes the corals dance) Synchronize Enabled Divide by 10 Enabled Initial off time (Seconds) 0 On time (Seconds) 7 Off time (Seconds) 4 Minimum intensity 0 Maximum intensity 100 Night (This mode allows for less erratic flow at night) Synchronize Disabled Divide by 10 Disabled Initial off time (Seconds) 0 On time (Seconds) 10 Off time (Seconds) 15 Minimum intensity 30 Maximum intensity 50 Flush 1 (This mixes things up throughout the day) Synchronize Disabled Divide by 10 Disabled Initial off time (Seconds) 0 On time (Seconds) 30 Off time (Seconds) 30 Minimum intensity 0 Maximum intensity 100 Flush2 (This mixes things up throughout the day) Synchronize Disabled Divide by 10 Disabled Initial off time (Seconds) 30 On time (Seconds) 30 Off time (Seconds) 30 Minimum intensity 0 Maximum intensity 100 DuskDawn Synchronize Enabled Divide by 10 Enabled Initial off time (Seconds) 0 On time (Seconds) 7 Off time (Seconds) 4 Minimum intensity 0 Maximum intensity 50 Timer (Used to control the flush cycle) OSC 060:00/010:00/000:00 Then ON " Last edited by ganjero; 10/01/2013 at 01:43 PM.

10/01/2013, 12:25 PM	#2
ganjero saiperchémibatteilcorazon Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Clearwater, FL Posts: 4,027	The apex will only let you control ecotech pumps using the ecotech modes (Reef Crest, Lagoon, Short Pulse, etc)and the apex module WXM. You can control tunzes with the tunze commands through the apex, the tunze commands work to control jebaos. You cannot use the ecotech modes to control tunzes or jebaos.

10/01/2013, 01:23 PM	#3
vette.tech Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Lansdale, PA Posts: 367	forgive my ignorance, but are the tunze programs as "cool" as the vortechs, i'm not looking to copy the vortech per se, but just want that kind of variety

10/01/2013, 02:54 PM	#5
vette.tech Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Lansdale, PA Posts: 367	Thank you so much, that was exactly the answer I was looking for!

10/01/2013, 04:24 PM	#6
ganjero saiperchémibatteilcorazon Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Clearwater, FL Posts: 4,027	No problem. Remember it might take more time to get your codes done for the Tunze/Jebao but that also means it's open to more customization.