should i treat during qt if no symptoms of disease?

browning_boy20 · 11/30/2013, 07:57 AM

I just bought two yellow tangs that are currently in at. That being said should I go ahead and start treating in case they have rich or some other infection? If so, I am thinking either hypo or copper safe. Anything else I should try to treat? I lost 4 yellow tangs and 5 Bartlett anthias a couple months ago due to a infection in at so I don't want that to happen again. The anthias came in sick but I was going to try and save them. Oh well!!!!!!

browning_boy20 · 11/30/2013, 09:43 AM

Anyone?

Fixing to head out to the LFS store!

Deinonych · 11/30/2013, 10:19 AM

Fish can carry parasites without showing symptoms (subclinical infection), so you run the risk of a full-blown infection if you don't treat prophylactically. You'll get different opinions about proactive treatments, but I personally treat ALL incoming fish for disease using Prazipro and chloroquine phosphate.

CoralReeForrest · 11/30/2013, 10:22 AM

Yes. At the bare minimum run hypo for a week or 2. I'd be inclined to say just pretend every fish is infected when you get it. Probably save a lot of heart ache and time every time the DT gets to be fallow.

CoralReeForrest · 11/30/2013, 10:32 AM

Probably go read through this thread. Arguments for both sides.

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh....php?t=1059595

FTDelta · 11/30/2013, 10:44 AM

QT all new fish regardless where you get them. There is no guarantee your fish will be ich free. Tangs are notoriously known to be ich magnets.

browning_boy20 · 11/30/2013, 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deinonych

Fish can carry parasites without showing symptoms (subclinical infection), so you run the risk of a full-blown infection if you don't treat prophylactically. You'll get different opinions about proactive treatments, but I personally treat ALL incoming fish for disease using Prazipro and chloroquine phosphate.

Where can I get chloroquine? Can't find it anywhere.

Deinonych · 11/30/2013, 01:13 PM

This guy sells it. He uses it for all of his fish.

http://kmaintl.com/product-category/misc

ca1ore · 11/30/2013, 01:21 PM

Agree that you will get differing views on proactive treatments depending upon the level of risk one is willing to bear and the $$ and time invested in the DT fish population.

I QT all fish, many but not all with prazipro, but have historically only prophylactically treated Tangs for things like ich.

If you want to approach 100% confidence for eliminating things like ich, velvet, etc., then you do need to treat all fish and keep all new inverts in a fish less QT for 12 weeks.

R.ahlskog · 11/30/2013, 05:39 PM

Still don't believe there is as such thing as a ich free reef tank. I put all my fish in copper quarantine and let mine go for 8 weeks fish free. I still get ich occasionally. Just keep the quarantine for new fish.

R.ahlskog · 11/30/2013, 05:40 PM

I keep a cleaner wrasse at all times and maybe a cleaner shrimp when anything comes up it doesn't last long.

R.ahlskog · 11/30/2013, 05:41 PM

The only way to assure ich free is to keep a fish only tank and use copper.

R.ahlskog · 11/30/2013, 05:42 PM

I know I will get lots of arguments on this but I've been trying for years and this is my experience. Even if u think ur tank is ich free its probably just the fish have built an immunity to it.

bnumair · 11/30/2013, 07:08 PM

i always qt all fish and recommend same for everyone. Prazipro all fish. Hypo or copper fish known to carry ich like Tangs. Observe diagnose then treat.
Read through my sticky, Guide to setup a QT.

Deinonych · 11/30/2013, 10:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by R.ahlskog

I know I will get lots of arguments on this but I've been trying for years and this is my experience. Even if u think ur tank is ich free its probably just the fish have built an immunity to it.

If you are diligent about quarantine and treat all incoming fish, you can have an ich-free tank. There are a number of well-respected posters here who have done so for years. The life cycle of cryptocaryon is well understood.

11/30/2013, 07:57 AM	#1
browning_boy20 Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Mobile, AL Posts: 425	should i treat during qt if no symptoms of disease? I just bought two yellow tangs that are currently in at. That being said should I go ahead and start treating in case they have rich or some other infection? If so, I am thinking either hypo or copper safe. Anything else I should try to treat? I lost 4 yellow tangs and 5 Bartlett anthias a couple months ago due to a infection in at so I don't want that to happen again. The anthias came in sick but I was going to try and save them. Oh well!!!!!!

11/30/2013, 10:19 AM	#3
Deinonych Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 4,191	Fish can carry parasites without showing symptoms (subclinical infection), so you run the risk of a full-blown infection if you don't treat prophylactically. You'll get different opinions about proactive treatments, but I personally treat ALL incoming fish for disease using Prazipro and chloroquine phosphate. __________________ Chris Hope is not a strategy. Display Tank: DSA 105 w/36gal sump/fuge · 2x MP40wES PHs · 2x Radion Gen2 · Apex w/PM2 · Fish · Corals · Rock · Sand · Water

11/30/2013, 01:13 PM	#8
Deinonych Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 4,191	This guy sells it. He uses it for all of his fish. http://kmaintl.com/product-category/misc __________________ Chris Hope is not a strategy. Display Tank: DSA 105 w/36gal sump/fuge · 2x MP40wES PHs · 2x Radion Gen2 · Apex w/PM2 · Fish · Corals · Rock · Sand · Water

11/30/2013, 07:08 PM	#14
bnumair Dr. Reef at ur service Join Date: May 2009 Location: Tulsa, Ok, USA Posts: 7,751 Blog Entries: 15	i always qt all fish and recommend same for everyone. Prazipro all fish. Hypo or copper fish known to carry ich like Tangs. Observe diagnose then treat. Read through my sticky, Guide to setup a QT. __________________ Water Quality: NO3 0,Phos 0,Cal 440,Alk 7.5,Mag 1300 "Reef Fast, You Crash, Reef Slow, You Pass" Mike's Reef 3:16 Current Tank Info: 350g DT,95g sump, 50g Frag tank, 4800gph return 4x Sea swirls. 6x AI Vega Color. 200# Pukani rock, dual recirculating skimmer, Biopellet, GFO Carbon rx's, Cal rx. Closed loop. 1.5hp chiller, genesis renew. Apex & RKE

11/30/2013, 09:43 AM	#2
browning_boy20 Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Mobile, AL Posts: 425	Anyone? Fixing to head out to the LFS store!

11/30/2013, 10:22 AM	#4
CoralReeForrest Registered Member Join Date: May 2013 Location: Redding,Ca Posts: 1,010	Yes. At the bare minimum run hypo for a week or 2. I'd be inclined to say just pretend every fish is infected when you get it. Probably save a lot of heart ache and time every time the DT gets to be fallow.

11/30/2013, 10:32 AM	#5
CoralReeForrest Registered Member Join Date: May 2013 Location: Redding,Ca Posts: 1,010	Probably go read through this thread. Arguments for both sides. http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh....php?t=1059595

11/30/2013, 10:44 AM	#6
FTDelta Moved On Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Central NY Posts: 1,124	QT all new fish regardless where you get them. There is no guarantee your fish will be ich free. Tangs are notoriously known to be ich magnets.

11/30/2013, 01:21 PM	#9
ca1ore Grizzled & Cynical Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Stamford, CT Posts: 17,319	Agree that you will get differing views on proactive treatments depending upon the level of risk one is willing to bear and the $$ and time invested in the DT fish population. I QT all fish, many but not all with prazipro, but have historically only prophylactically treated Tangs for things like ich. If you want to approach 100% confidence for eliminating things like ich, velvet, etc., then you do need to treat all fish and keep all new inverts in a fish less QT for 12 weeks.

11/30/2013, 05:39 PM	#10
R.ahlskog Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Edmonton Posts: 50	Still don't believe there is as such thing as a ich free reef tank. I put all my fish in copper quarantine and let mine go for 8 weeks fish free. I still get ich occasionally. Just keep the quarantine for new fish.

11/30/2013, 05:40 PM	#11
R.ahlskog Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Edmonton Posts: 50	I keep a cleaner wrasse at all times and maybe a cleaner shrimp when anything comes up it doesn't last long.

11/30/2013, 05:41 PM	#12
R.ahlskog Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Edmonton Posts: 50	The only way to assure ich free is to keep a fish only tank and use copper.

11/30/2013, 05:42 PM	#13
R.ahlskog Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Edmonton Posts: 50	I know I will get lots of arguments on this but I've been trying for years and this is my experience. Even if u think ur tank is ich free its probably just the fish have built an immunity to it.