wp40 and mixed reef flow corals closed!

living_waters · 12/09/2013, 09:33 AM

Hello first thread long time lurker hehe but down to business I have a 36g bowfront that I just transferred all my corals two on Saturday and I have a wp40 on lowest setting making a standing wave and nothing has opened up for two days all my levels are at zero ppm and calcium at 24 and kh at 20 (i know kh super high) my question is on lowest seting I'm getting a bit over 100 times turn over rate plus my return pump im waiting for my dimmer to get shiped in the mean while is this two much flow or are the corals adjusting two a new tank?

thegrun · 12/09/2013, 09:51 AM

That is probably too much flow. Another problem with the mp pumps is when you set them at or below the 30% point there is no variance in flow. 30% is their lowest flow rate even if you set them at 10%. You would be better off with an MP-10.

Vadafallon · 12/09/2013, 10:38 AM

Mp10 or a wp25, although i have heard the wp25 still put out a lot of flow and its directional. So you would probably want to bounce it off the glass to diffuse it and break it up some.

living_waters · 12/09/2013, 02:39 PM

Thanks for the response but its the WP 40 not the vortecs and still nothings opened

one acro frags bleaching out what should I do...water change the only thing off is my dkh I'm about to test it again now because I was running a closed top system maybe more air exchange droped the hardness of the water a bit

shifty51008 · 12/09/2013, 04:37 PM

to be honest even with the dimmer the flow from a wp40 is gonna be to much in a 36 gal.

BlindZide · 12/09/2013, 05:59 PM

WP-25 would be better. Still moves a ton of water but for you it should be fine. Did I read that your Ca was at 24?

Reefnub · 12/09/2013, 06:01 PM

Way too much flow. WP are stronger than MP and they're direct flow vs wide. You really should get a wp25 or 2 mp10's.

oscarinw · 12/09/2013, 06:01 PM

I think your problem is chemistry. Alk at 20kh is double where you want to be. Also, what do you mean by calcium at 24. Calcium is normally measured in particles per million and it should be around 400... 24 doesn't make a lot of sense.
Your coral problems are not due to flow in my opinion.

BlindZide · 12/09/2013, 06:04 PM

^+1 on oscarinw. Both of those seem to WAY off and probably causing your problem. But if you are looking to reduce flow then a WP-25 or MP-10.

living_waters · 12/12/2013, 12:56 AM

Yeah thanks for the response guys I'm starting to realize I might need to buy or trade someone for a WP25/mp10 i only bought the wp40 cause a local seller had them in stock and i didnt want to wait for it to come through the mail if i had just waited and bought the wp25 on fishstreet or something :/.... I know your supposed to multiply or add something like that to get the parts per million number for calcium but I'm talking about how many drops of test solution I put in till it turns purple and the alkalinity-dkh I did a 50% water change to drop it and corals seem to be coming back (hopefully)

shifty51008 · 12/12/2013, 01:19 AM

There should be a card with the test kits that tell you what ppm your cal is after counting the drops. Same with alk.

living_waters · 12/12/2013, 01:21 AM

Oh just checked my tester sheet and 25 drops is about 500ppm and I forgot to mention I bought the wp40 getting convinced by the seller his words were yeah buy the bigger one that way if you need more flow you will always have it should have known better.

shifty51008 · 12/12/2013, 01:31 AM

Ok 500 is on the higher side but shouldnt be to bad but that alk of 20 is bad. You will need to get a mag test kit as well, i suggest the salifert brand, if your mag is way off your gonna have a hard time adjusting cal and alk.

As for the pump, i agree sometimes bigger is better but when the bigger pump will push to much flow even turned all the way down that dont work lol. I run 2 wp25s in my 75 gal mixed reef and i think it is just right for flow, i 1st tried 2 wp40s and there was no way my corals would be happy.

living_waters · 12/12/2013, 01:31 AM

Don't know if you all are familiar with the jebao pumps but I bought a wpm dimmer that I was thinking of adapting between the plug for the wall and the control but I read its bad for the remote so could I maybe place the dimmer between the remote and the pwm that way its reducing voltage to the pump and not the remote as well

living_waters · 12/12/2013, 01:35 AM

And I know I'm supposed to test magnesium but the test kits to dang expansive at the time I was thinking in one hand test kit or in the other frags guess what I chose lol. Now for the calcium I'm in a hurry for coraline that's why its a little high

shifty51008 · 12/12/2013, 01:42 AM

Yes i have 4 jeabo pumps and there is only 1 place to put the dimmer and that ends up killing the controller, if you want to controll the pumps on a low speed without hurting the pump, look into a reefangel controller but they are alot more than a test kit lol

Yeah the test kits may be spendy but you need them if you wanna keep frags alive so they should be 1st on your list.

living_waters · 12/12/2013, 01:55 AM

Ok and where would be the best place for the dimmer considering reef angels not in my budget and hoping it will last till I buy my reactor,test kit and then wp25 although I heard something about wp10 coming out by Christmas so that's another option as well and not to get of topic but if you have a recommendation for a
Midgrade reactor not cheap but not an arm and leg though there not to expensive even the upper scale ones I need it to run carbon and media. on a budget turned 18 and really just paying for my new Lexus but if I don't pay that how will I get to the lfs

anyway about to hit the hay thanks in advance for any response I'll check in tomorrow

shifty51008 · 12/12/2013, 02:06 AM

There really is no good place to put the dimmer without ruining the pump or controller, i have 4 dimmers that i was gonna use on the wp40s but after i saw the damage they can do i never used them. The wp10 would be a great choice for your size tank so i would wait for them to come out.

As for reactors i would get a couple two little fishies reactors, 1 for carbon and 1 for gfo and you can use 1 pump like a mag 3 or something to run both, just get a y fitting to bring flow to each pump.

living_waters · 12/12/2013, 08:04 AM

Ok thanks for all the help!

peacetypes6 · 12/12/2013, 11:26 AM

that pump is way too big

living_waters · 12/12/2013, 02:22 PM

I got desperate and last resort I took the propeller out and shaved it down on both sides with one of my stepmoms dentist drills and I got the perfect flow I need!! Dont know if any damage will be done long term but hey I'll buy either the wp25 or wp10 next time

12/09/2013, 09:33 AM	#1
living_waters Moved On Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: coral springs fl Posts: 424	wp40 and mixed reef flow corals closed! Hello first thread long time lurker hehe but down to business I have a 36g bowfront that I just transferred all my corals two on Saturday and I have a wp40 on lowest setting making a standing wave and nothing has opened up for two days all my levels are at zero ppm and calcium at 24 and kh at 20 (i know kh super high) my question is on lowest seting I'm getting a bit over 100 times turn over rate plus my return pump im waiting for my dimmer to get shiped in the mean while is this two much flow or are the corals adjusting two a new tank?

12/09/2013, 04:37 PM	#5
shifty51008 12-5 Chiefs record Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: NW Iowa Posts: 10,134	to be honest even with the dimmer the flow from a wp40 is gonna be to much in a 36 gal. __________________ 75 gal. mixed DT, 100 gal. sump, 50 gal. fuge, Clownfish breeder

12/09/2013, 05:59 PM	#6
BlindZide Registered Member Join Date: May 2013 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 1,273	WP-25 would be better. Still moves a ton of water but for you it should be fine. Did I read that your Ca was at 24? __________________ ~Trent Biocube 14 Mixed Reef 75G LPS Reef

12/09/2013, 06:01 PM	#7
Reefnub Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: California Posts: 750	Way too much flow. WP are stronger than MP and they're direct flow vs wide. You really should get a wp25 or 2 mp10's. __________________ 200G SPS Dominated 60x30x26

12/09/2013, 06:04 PM	#9
BlindZide Registered Member Join Date: May 2013 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 1,273	^+1 on oscarinw. Both of those seem to WAY off and probably causing your problem. But if you are looking to reduce flow then a WP-25 or MP-10. __________________ ~Trent Biocube 14 Mixed Reef 75G LPS Reef

12/09/2013, 09:51 AM	#2
thegrun Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Garden Grove, Ca Posts: 17,023	That is probably too much flow. Another problem with the mp pumps is when you set them at or below the 30% point there is no variance in flow. 30% is their lowest flow rate even if you set them at 10%. You would be better off with an MP-10.

12/09/2013, 10:38 AM	#3
Vadafallon Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 974	Mp10 or a wp25, although i have heard the wp25 still put out a lot of flow and its directional. So you would probably want to bounce it off the glass to diffuse it and break it up some.

12/09/2013, 02:39 PM	#4
living_waters Moved On Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: coral springs fl Posts: 424	Thanks for the response but its the WP 40 not the vortecs and still nothings opened one acro frags bleaching out what should I do...water change the only thing off is my dkh I'm about to test it again now because I was running a closed top system maybe more air exchange droped the hardness of the water a bit

12/09/2013, 06:01 PM	#8
oscarinw Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Western Massachusetts Posts: 1,091	I think your problem is chemistry. Alk at 20kh is double where you want to be. Also, what do you mean by calcium at 24. Calcium is normally measured in particles per million and it should be around 400... 24 doesn't make a lot of sense. Your coral problems are not due to flow in my opinion.

12/12/2013, 12:56 AM	#10
living_waters Moved On Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: coral springs fl Posts: 424	Yeah thanks for the response guys I'm starting to realize I might need to buy or trade someone for a WP25/mp10 i only bought the wp40 cause a local seller had them in stock and i didnt want to wait for it to come through the mail if i had just waited and bought the wp25 on fishstreet or something :/.... I know your supposed to multiply or add something like that to get the parts per million number for calcium but I'm talking about how many drops of test solution I put in till it turns purple and the alkalinity-dkh I did a 50% water change to drop it and corals seem to be coming back (hopefully)

12/12/2013, 01:19 AM	#11
shifty51008 12-5 Chiefs record Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: NW Iowa Posts: 10,134	There should be a card with the test kits that tell you what ppm your cal is after counting the drops. Same with alk. __________________ 75 gal. mixed DT, 100 gal. sump, 50 gal. fuge, Clownfish breeder

12/12/2013, 01:21 AM	#12
living_waters Moved On Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: coral springs fl Posts: 424	Oh just checked my tester sheet and 25 drops is about 500ppm and I forgot to mention I bought the wp40 getting convinced by the seller his words were yeah buy the bigger one that way if you need more flow you will always have it should have known better.

12/12/2013, 01:31 AM	#13
shifty51008 12-5 Chiefs record Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: NW Iowa Posts: 10,134	Ok 500 is on the higher side but shouldnt be to bad but that alk of 20 is bad. You will need to get a mag test kit as well, i suggest the salifert brand, if your mag is way off your gonna have a hard time adjusting cal and alk. As for the pump, i agree sometimes bigger is better but when the bigger pump will push to much flow even turned all the way down that dont work lol. I run 2 wp25s in my 75 gal mixed reef and i think it is just right for flow, i 1st tried 2 wp40s and there was no way my corals would be happy. __________________ 75 gal. mixed DT, 100 gal. sump, 50 gal. fuge, Clownfish breeder

12/12/2013, 01:35 AM	#15
living_waters Moved On Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: coral springs fl Posts: 424	And I know I'm supposed to test magnesium but the test kits to dang expansive at the time I was thinking in one hand test kit or in the other frags guess what I chose lol. Now for the calcium I'm in a hurry for coraline that's why its a little high

12/12/2013, 01:42 AM	#16
shifty51008 12-5 Chiefs record Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: NW Iowa Posts: 10,134	Yes i have 4 jeabo pumps and there is only 1 place to put the dimmer and that ends up killing the controller, if you want to controll the pumps on a low speed without hurting the pump, look into a reefangel controller but they are alot more than a test kit lol Yeah the test kits may be spendy but you need them if you wanna keep frags alive so they should be 1st on your list. __________________ 75 gal. mixed DT, 100 gal. sump, 50 gal. fuge, Clownfish breeder

12/12/2013, 01:55 AM	#17
living_waters Moved On Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: coral springs fl Posts: 424	Ok and where would be the best place for the dimmer considering reef angels not in my budget and hoping it will last till I buy my reactor,test kit and then wp25 although I heard something about wp10 coming out by Christmas so that's another option as well and not to get of topic but if you have a recommendation for a Midgrade reactor not cheap but not an arm and leg though there not to expensive even the upper scale ones I need it to run carbon and media. on a budget turned 18 and really just paying for my new Lexus but if I don't pay that how will I get to the lfs anyway about to hit the hay thanks in advance for any response I'll check in tomorrow

12/12/2013, 02:06 AM	#18
shifty51008 12-5 Chiefs record Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: NW Iowa Posts: 10,134	There really is no good place to put the dimmer without ruining the pump or controller, i have 4 dimmers that i was gonna use on the wp40s but after i saw the damage they can do i never used them. The wp10 would be a great choice for your size tank so i would wait for them to come out. As for reactors i would get a couple two little fishies reactors, 1 for carbon and 1 for gfo and you can use 1 pump like a mag 3 or something to run both, just get a y fitting to bring flow to each pump. __________________ 75 gal. mixed DT, 100 gal. sump, 50 gal. fuge, Clownfish breeder

12/12/2013, 08:04 AM	#19
living_waters Moved On Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: coral springs fl Posts: 424	Ok thanks for all the help!

12/12/2013, 11:26 AM	#20
peacetypes6 Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Timonium, MD Posts: 674	that pump is way too big

12/12/2013, 02:22 PM	#21
living_waters Moved On Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: coral springs fl Posts: 424	I got desperate and last resort I took the propeller out and shaved it down on both sides with one of my stepmoms dentist drills and I got the perfect flow I need!! Dont know if any damage will be done long term but hey I'll buy either the wp25 or wp10 next time