Blue tang ich?

Bivs516 · 02/15/2014, 06:26 PM

I have a new (3 month old) 55 gal tank added two clowns about a month ago and just added a hippo and a yellow tang just over a week ago. Yesterday I saw a single white spot on the blue tang. This morning there were two spots....I set up a 10 gal QT tank to treat the suspected ich and now the spots are gone. There is a tiny bump where one of the spots were otherwise no marks. Was this definitely a case of ich ? And if so what's the best plan of attack? Please advise.

55 gal
36 ruby sump
Vertex omega 150 skimmer
50 lbs Fiji pink arag-alive sand
50 lbs of pukani rock
Two kessil 360w LEDs
Two mp-40s

Bivs516 · 02/15/2014, 06:28 PM

Oh should clear that up.... I never put it in the QT yet

maddmaxx · 02/15/2014, 06:48 PM

could possibly have been sand that stuck to his skin. .but if it was ich, it is now in your main display and all fish are exposed to getting ich now...

theres several ways to attack ich, mostly use 2 methods either cupramine (not sure if i spelled that right lol) or hyposalinity to treat fish infected with ich. some will suggest removing all fish and qt all fish, and leave the main display fishless for 12 weeks. im sure others will chime in. you should really check out the stickies regarding ich...

reeferstace · 02/15/2014, 06:49 PM

Read here about ick and it's lifecycle/treatment. If you had ick, you still have ick.
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh....php?t=2159738

Also, please read here about your livestock choices.
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh....php?t=1946079

bnumair · 02/15/2014, 07:23 PM

here is a link to first positively i.d the disease,
http://www.chucksaddiction.com/disease.html
then if it is ich then 2 known cures i can provide guides for are copper and hyposalinity.
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh...1#post20614751
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh....php?t=2300497

rocsec1 · 02/15/2014, 10:31 PM

Ich seems like.it disappers and then it comes back. Check out thode threads above. I lost s bunch of fidh becuase i made the assumation that it wasnt ich. That is when i got my qt tank. Everything stays in there for five weeks before it goes in the the dt.

jason_bradbury · 02/16/2014, 07:30 AM

the way it was explained to me and i understand, ich is natural and always present in the wild.. yes, you can treat the tank and get rid of it but you are extremely likely to reintoduce it at some point.. your best solution is to have healthy fish.. you do this by having good tank mates so there is no stress and feed them food with garlic in it.. the garlic builds their immune system.. hippo tangs in particular are very subseptable to ich.. the stress of throwing him in the new tank caused the outbreak, especially in a tank that already has fish in it that have staked out their territory. you can create a more level playing field if you move all the rocks around whenever you introduce a new fish.. yes the fish will still be stressed from being introduced but at least they will all have to claim new territory.. QT tanks are nice but you cant treat coral, only fish.. so if you buy a new peice of coral you'll possibly have a hitchhiker or two.. so you're back to sqare 1, have healthy fish.. i bought dehydrated krill and Kents garlic, a pinch of the krill and a few drops of garlic, a tiny splash a tank water in a shot glass.. let that sit for 20 min to let the krill soak up the garlic.. smells god awful, my wife hates it.. but the fish like it and it just a garlic delivery method.. good luck

shifty51008 · 02/16/2014, 07:35 AM

you can QT anything and make sure it doesn't bring in ich. if you wanna introduce a coral and make sure it doesn't carry ich then set it in a QT for 10 weeks, after that time with no fish there will not be any ich. same goes with anything. ich need fish to survive.

to much garlic feeding can harm the fish also.

Denbf58 · 02/16/2014, 07:59 AM

the point of using at qt is to keep ick and other parasites out of the DT at this point if what you saw was ick to only way rid your DT of it is to take all the fish out and leave it fish less for 8 to 01 weeks since that is not a option since you only have a 10g qt. try to keep stress to a minimum you might want to take 1 of the tangs back a 55 is to small to keep tangs long trem. read the above stickies hope it all works out for you

bnumair · 02/16/2014, 10:03 AM

Garlic is just a myth. there is no scientific data proving garlic can increase immune or prevent/rid ich. There are only 3 known ways to rid ich and none is reef safe.
1 Hypo salinity
2 Copper
3 Tank transfer.

MrTuskfish · 02/16/2014, 10:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jason_bradbury

the way it was explained to me and i understand, ich is natural and always present in the wild.. yes, you can treat the tank and get rid of it but you are extremely likely to reintoduce it at some point.. your best solution is to have healthy fish.. you do this by having good tank mates so there is no stress and feed them food with garlic in it.. the garlic builds their immune system.. hippo tangs in particular are very subseptable to ich.. the stress of throwing him in the new tank caused the outbreak, especially in a tank that already has fish in it that have staked out their territory. you can create a more level playing field if you move all the rocks around whenever you introduce a new fish.. yes the fish will still be stressed from being introduced but at least they will all have to claim new territory.. QT tanks are nice but you cant treat coral, only fish.. so if you buy a new peice of coral you'll possibly have a hitchhiker or two.. so you're back to sqare 1, have healthy fish.. i bought dehydrated krill and Kents garlic, a pinch of the krill and a few drops of garlic, a tiny splash a tank water in a shot glass.. let that sit for 20 min to let the krill soak up the garlic.. smells god awful, my wife hates it.. but the fish like it and it just a garlic delivery method.. good luck

Please read the ich stickies. Your post is a list of many of the myths about ich. Sorry, but most of your info is entirely wrong. Our hobby has a huge turnover rate and I suspect not using a QT and thinking tanks (especially tanks of beginners) can live with ich are two of the main reasons.

snorvich · 02/16/2014, 11:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrTuskfish

Please read the ich stickies. Your post is a list of many of the myths about ich. Sorry, but most of your info is entirely wrong. Our hobby has a huge turnover rate and I suspect not using a QT and thinking tanks (especially tanks of beginners) can live with ich are two of the main reasons.

This.

02/15/2014, 06:26 PM	#1
Bivs516 Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 24	Blue tang ich? I have a new (3 month old) 55 gal tank added two clowns about a month ago and just added a hippo and a yellow tang just over a week ago. Yesterday I saw a single white spot on the blue tang. This morning there were two spots....I set up a 10 gal QT tank to treat the suspected ich and now the spots are gone. There is a tiny bump where one of the spots were otherwise no marks. Was this definitely a case of ich ? And if so what's the best plan of attack? Please advise. 55 gal 36 ruby sump Vertex omega 150 skimmer 50 lbs Fiji pink arag-alive sand 50 lbs of pukani rock Two kessil 360w LEDs Two mp-40s

02/15/2014, 06:48 PM	#3
maddmaxx Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Jersey Shore Posts: 3,003	could possibly have been sand that stuck to his skin. .but if it was ich, it is now in your main display and all fish are exposed to getting ich now... theres several ways to attack ich, mostly use 2 methods either cupramine (not sure if i spelled that right lol) or hyposalinity to treat fish infected with ich. some will suggest removing all fish and qt all fish, and leave the main display fishless for 12 weeks. im sure others will chime in. you should really check out the stickies regarding ich... __________________ One Life One Shot Current Tank Info: 40B Mixed reef

02/15/2014, 06:49 PM	#4
reeferstace I'm a little people Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Over Yonder Posts: 1,392	Read here about ick and it's lifecycle/treatment. If you had ick, you still have ick. http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh....php?t=2159738 Also, please read here about your livestock choices. http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh....php?t=1946079 __________________ Stacy

02/15/2014, 07:23 PM	#5
bnumair Dr. Reef at ur service Join Date: May 2009 Location: Tulsa, Ok, USA Posts: 7,751 Blog Entries: 15	here is a link to first positively i.d the disease, http://www.chucksaddiction.com/disease.html then if it is ich then 2 known cures i can provide guides for are copper and hyposalinity. http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh...1#post20614751 http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh....php?t=2300497 __________________ Water Quality: NO3 0,Phos 0,Cal 440,Alk 7.5,Mag 1300 "Reef Fast, You Crash, Reef Slow, You Pass" Mike's Reef 3:16 Current Tank Info: 350g DT,95g sump, 50g Frag tank, 4800gph return 4x Sea swirls. 6x AI Vega Color. 200# Pukani rock, dual recirculating skimmer, Biopellet, GFO Carbon rx's, Cal rx. Closed loop. 1.5hp chiller, genesis renew. Apex & RKE

02/16/2014, 07:35 AM	#8
shifty51008 12-5 Chiefs record Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: NW Iowa Posts: 10,134	you can QT anything and make sure it doesn't bring in ich. if you wanna introduce a coral and make sure it doesn't carry ich then set it in a QT for 10 weeks, after that time with no fish there will not be any ich. same goes with anything. ich need fish to survive. to much garlic feeding can harm the fish also. __________________ 75 gal. mixed DT, 100 gal. sump, 50 gal. fuge, Clownfish breeder

02/15/2014, 06:28 PM	#2
Bivs516 Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 24	Oh should clear that up.... I never put it in the QT yet

02/15/2014, 10:31 PM	#6
rocsec1 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Medina oh Posts: 1,782	Ich seems like.it disappers and then it comes back. Check out thode threads above. I lost s bunch of fidh becuase i made the assumation that it wasnt ich. That is when i got my qt tank. Everything stays in there for five weeks before it goes in the the dt.

02/16/2014, 07:30 AM	#7
jason_bradbury Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: new jersey Posts: 45	the way it was explained to me and i understand, ich is natural and always present in the wild.. yes, you can treat the tank and get rid of it but you are extremely likely to reintoduce it at some point.. your best solution is to have healthy fish.. you do this by having good tank mates so there is no stress and feed them food with garlic in it.. the garlic builds their immune system.. hippo tangs in particular are very subseptable to ich.. the stress of throwing him in the new tank caused the outbreak, especially in a tank that already has fish in it that have staked out their territory. you can create a more level playing field if you move all the rocks around whenever you introduce a new fish.. yes the fish will still be stressed from being introduced but at least they will all have to claim new territory.. QT tanks are nice but you cant treat coral, only fish.. so if you buy a new peice of coral you'll possibly have a hitchhiker or two.. so you're back to sqare 1, have healthy fish.. i bought dehydrated krill and Kents garlic, a pinch of the krill and a few drops of garlic, a tiny splash a tank water in a shot glass.. let that sit for 20 min to let the krill soak up the garlic.. smells god awful, my wife hates it.. but the fish like it and it just a garlic delivery method.. good luck

02/16/2014, 07:59 AM	#9
Denbf58 Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: selden N.Y. Posts: 885	the point of using at qt is to keep ick and other parasites out of the DT at this point if what you saw was ick to only way rid your DT of it is to take all the fish out and leave it fish less for 8 to 01 weeks since that is not a option since you only have a 10g qt. try to keep stress to a minimum you might want to take 1 of the tangs back a 55 is to small to keep tangs long trem. read the above stickies hope it all works out for you __________________ Life is good Current Tank Info: 75gal reef ready koralia 3, 30g sump, 4b 48" t5s lighting, 29g reef with breeding pair clowns 55g reef 55g freshwater

02/16/2014, 10:03 AM	#10
bnumair Dr. Reef at ur service Join Date: May 2009 Location: Tulsa, Ok, USA Posts: 7,751 Blog Entries: 15	Garlic is just a myth. there is no scientific data proving garlic can increase immune or prevent/rid ich. There are only 3 known ways to rid ich and none is reef safe. 1 Hypo salinity 2 Copper 3 Tank transfer. __________________ Water Quality: NO3 0,Phos 0,Cal 440,Alk 7.5,Mag 1300 "Reef Fast, You Crash, Reef Slow, You Pass" Mike's Reef 3:16 Current Tank Info: 350g DT,95g sump, 50g Frag tank, 4800gph return 4x Sea swirls. 6x AI Vega Color. 200# Pukani rock, dual recirculating skimmer, Biopellet, GFO Carbon rx's, Cal rx. Closed loop. 1.5hp chiller, genesis renew. Apex & RKE