mcCoskers acting weird in my 20QT

joshyross70 · 04/22/2014, 11:17 PM

I've had him in there for almost four weeks and about three days ago he started not swimming around and just laying at the bottom. I did about a 6 gallon water change and added some amquel since there was about .25ppm amonia showing up. Yesterday i noticed some type of blob at the bottom of the glass. I cleaned it the QT today and took that blob off the tank? Any ideas?

Crooked Reef · 04/22/2014, 11:25 PM

Blob could be a slime coccoon. Flasher wrasses sleep in them. I don't know how long they stay around until they dissipate though.

joshyross70 · 04/22/2014, 11:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crooked Reef

Blob could be a slime coccoon. Flasher wrasses sleep in them. I don't know how long they stay around until they dissipate though.

Thats exactly what it looked like.

eatbreakfast · 04/23/2014, 06:23 AM

The ammonia is definitely why he was acting weird. Iwould watch for ammonia everyday as the amquel is only a temporary solution.

Crooked Reef · 04/23/2014, 08:25 AM

May want to watch for and remove the slime cocoon daily. I'm not sure but it may break down into ammonia since it is a byproduct of a fish. In a full tank the biological filtration will take care of any ammonia from the slime coat but your qt may not be able to. Not really sure but it is a thought and it can't hurt anything.

joshyross70 · 04/23/2014, 08:53 AM

Woke up this morning and same thing. He is just chillin at the bottom with his mouth open without swimming much. He did eat some frozen mysis yesterday aswell. Should i do a big water change today or am at a point where i should put him in the DT? I dont wanna loose these fish and judging by my bad luck with QT fish in the past im willing to throw him in the DT. Nothing seemed wrong with him before and i have been treating with prazipro for about a week and half

Cymonous · 04/23/2014, 09:52 AM

Do you have an airstone with pump or much water movement at the waterline?

Since you had a reading of ammonia, you may want to do another water change.

joshyross70 · 04/23/2014, 10:14 AM

Yes i do. I have powerhead pointing up to get some oxygen in there

joshyross70 · 04/23/2014, 02:00 PM

Any other opinions?

Cymonous · 04/23/2014, 02:06 PM

Did you do another water change?

joshyross70 · 04/23/2014, 02:21 PM

Not yet im at work. I do have water being mixed at home as we speak. My roomate says the fish looks alot better And is swimming around more then it was yesterday

joshyross70 · 04/23/2014, 10:25 PM

So something i noticed while watching it eat right now is that he is not using his tail fin. He is bearly using it at all. He is eating well though. Could that be caused cuz of the ammonia? Im about to do a 7 gallon water change right now

bnumair · 04/23/2014, 10:30 PM

ammonia at any level will burn/cause harm to internal organs and cause discomfort or permanent harm to which the fish may give in later on and pass away.
Its best for you to keep doing water changes daily or even more than once per day to keep ammonia at 0 or use prime/amquel/ammolock etc to keep ammonia neutral.

joshyross70 · 04/23/2014, 10:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bnumair

ammonia at any level will burn/cause harm to internal organs and cause discomfort or permanent harm to which the fish may give in later on and pass away.
Its best for you to keep doing water changes daily or even more than once per day to keep ammonia at 0 or use prime/amquel/ammolock etc to keep ammonia neutral.

Will do. Something else i noticed was that it may seem like some of his fins have torn away. Is this fin rot? If so can i treat with anything?

bnumair · 04/23/2014, 11:03 PM

not seeing the fish hard to say if it is fin rot or not but if you know for a fact it is then try PimaFix & MelaFix.

inetmug · 04/23/2014, 11:12 PM

I was told that a QT tanks should have mechanical filtration, and frequent water changes as treatments like copper and prazipro will cause ammonia spikes. A bubbler can only help.

Should a QT have mechanical and a skimmer?

bnumair · 04/23/2014, 11:33 PM

skimmer is not needed in QT and for filtration i recommend a HOB filter filled with ceramic media. if the qt is properly cycled you wont need no water change throughout treatment.
Here is a guide i wrote for setting up QT and how it works, it should answer most of your questions.

Note: prazipro will not cause any ammonia spike at all, might cause milkyness of water but not ammonia, copper also will not cause ammonia in water itself. use of copper will kill about 20% of bacteria but not cause ammonia spike itself.
here is the link.
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh....php?t=2195588

joshyross70 · 04/23/2014, 11:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bnumair

not seeing the fish hard to say if it is fin rot or not but if you know for a fact it is then try PimaFix & MelaFix.

What if i dont have any of these available at this time? Unfortunatly i live in a town without a lfs. I will be heading to san diego on sunday so ill make sure to pick one of these up. Is this the only solution to fin rot?

bnumair · 04/24/2014, 12:45 AM

thats the only one i have personal experience with. if the origin of fin rot is bacterial then most antibiotics will work.

joshyross70 · 04/25/2014, 02:27 PM

Bought some pimafix and melafix today so we will see if it will help the fish. Parts of his fin were gone and he is not using the tail fin

04/22/2014, 11:17 PM	#1
joshyross70 Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 394	mcCoskers acting weird in my 20QT I've had him in there for almost four weeks and about three days ago he started not swimming around and just laying at the bottom. I did about a 6 gallon water change and added some amquel since there was about .25ppm amonia showing up. Yesterday i noticed some type of blob at the bottom of the glass. I cleaned it the QT today and took that blob off the tank? Any ideas?

04/22/2014, 11:25 PM	#2
Crooked Reef Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Posts: 1,765	Blob could be a slime coccoon. Flasher wrasses sleep in them. I don't know how long they stay around until they dissipate though. __________________ “In wine there is wisdom; in beer there is freedom, in water there is bacteria.” - Benjamin Franklin Current Tank Info: 90 gallon reef. Biocube 29 lionfish tank. Mantis tank.

04/23/2014, 08:25 AM	#5
Crooked Reef Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Posts: 1,765	May want to watch for and remove the slime cocoon daily. I'm not sure but it may break down into ammonia since it is a byproduct of a fish. In a full tank the biological filtration will take care of any ammonia from the slime coat but your qt may not be able to. Not really sure but it is a thought and it can't hurt anything. __________________ “In wine there is wisdom; in beer there is freedom, in water there is bacteria.” - Benjamin Franklin Current Tank Info: 90 gallon reef. Biocube 29 lionfish tank. Mantis tank.

04/23/2014, 09:52 AM	#7
Cymonous My Clown Attacks Me Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Akron, OH Posts: 2,105	Do you have an airstone with pump or much water movement at the waterline? Since you had a reading of ammonia, you may want to do another water change. __________________ 100 Gallon Long with 20L sump 10 Gallon Office Tank Current Tank Info: 2 False Percula Clowns, One Spot Foxface, Diamond Watchman Goby, Yellow Tail Damsel, Engineer Goby

04/23/2014, 02:06 PM	#10
Cymonous My Clown Attacks Me Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Akron, OH Posts: 2,105	Did you do another water change? __________________ 100 Gallon Long with 20L sump 10 Gallon Office Tank Current Tank Info: 2 False Percula Clowns, One Spot Foxface, Diamond Watchman Goby, Yellow Tail Damsel, Engineer Goby

04/23/2014, 06:23 AM	#4
eatbreakfast Registered Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: seymour, ct Posts: 1,636	The ammonia is definitely why he was acting weird. Iwould watch for ammonia everyday as the amquel is only a temporary solution.

04/23/2014, 08:53 AM	#6
joshyross70 Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 394	Woke up this morning and same thing. He is just chillin at the bottom with his mouth open without swimming much. He did eat some frozen mysis yesterday aswell. Should i do a big water change today or am at a point where i should put him in the DT? I dont wanna loose these fish and judging by my bad luck with QT fish in the past im willing to throw him in the DT. Nothing seemed wrong with him before and i have been treating with prazipro for about a week and half

04/23/2014, 10:14 AM	#8
joshyross70 Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 394	Yes i do. I have powerhead pointing up to get some oxygen in there

04/23/2014, 02:00 PM	#9
joshyross70 Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 394	Any other opinions?

04/23/2014, 02:21 PM	#11
joshyross70 Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 394	Not yet im at work. I do have water being mixed at home as we speak. My roomate says the fish looks alot better And is swimming around more then it was yesterday

04/23/2014, 10:25 PM	#12
joshyross70 Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 394	So something i noticed while watching it eat right now is that he is not using his tail fin. He is bearly using it at all. He is eating well though. Could that be caused cuz of the ammonia? Im about to do a 7 gallon water change right now

04/23/2014, 10:30 PM	#13
bnumair Dr. Reef at ur service Join Date: May 2009 Location: Tulsa, Ok, USA Posts: 7,751 Blog Entries: 15	ammonia at any level will burn/cause harm to internal organs and cause discomfort or permanent harm to which the fish may give in later on and pass away. Its best for you to keep doing water changes daily or even more than once per day to keep ammonia at 0 or use prime/amquel/ammolock etc to keep ammonia neutral. __________________ Water Quality: NO3 0,Phos 0,Cal 440,Alk 7.5,Mag 1300 "Reef Fast, You Crash, Reef Slow, You Pass" Mike's Reef 3:16 Current Tank Info: 350g DT,95g sump, 50g Frag tank, 4800gph return 4x Sea swirls. 6x AI Vega Color. 200# Pukani rock, dual recirculating skimmer, Biopellet, GFO Carbon rx's, Cal rx. Closed loop. 1.5hp chiller, genesis renew. Apex & RKE

04/23/2014, 11:03 PM	#15
bnumair Dr. Reef at ur service Join Date: May 2009 Location: Tulsa, Ok, USA Posts: 7,751 Blog Entries: 15	not seeing the fish hard to say if it is fin rot or not but if you know for a fact it is then try PimaFix & MelaFix. __________________ Water Quality: NO3 0,Phos 0,Cal 440,Alk 7.5,Mag 1300 "Reef Fast, You Crash, Reef Slow, You Pass" Mike's Reef 3:16 Current Tank Info: 350g DT,95g sump, 50g Frag tank, 4800gph return 4x Sea swirls. 6x AI Vega Color. 200# Pukani rock, dual recirculating skimmer, Biopellet, GFO Carbon rx's, Cal rx. Closed loop. 1.5hp chiller, genesis renew. Apex & RKE

04/23/2014, 11:12 PM	#16
inetmug Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 693	I was told that a QT tanks should have mechanical filtration, and frequent water changes as treatments like copper and prazipro will cause ammonia spikes. A bubbler can only help. Should a QT have mechanical and a skimmer?

04/23/2014, 11:33 PM	#17
bnumair Dr. Reef at ur service Join Date: May 2009 Location: Tulsa, Ok, USA Posts: 7,751 Blog Entries: 15	skimmer is not needed in QT and for filtration i recommend a HOB filter filled with ceramic media. if the qt is properly cycled you wont need no water change throughout treatment. Here is a guide i wrote for setting up QT and how it works, it should answer most of your questions. Note: prazipro will not cause any ammonia spike at all, might cause milkyness of water but not ammonia, copper also will not cause ammonia in water itself. use of copper will kill about 20% of bacteria but not cause ammonia spike itself. here is the link. http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh....php?t=2195588 __________________ Water Quality: NO3 0,Phos 0,Cal 440,Alk 7.5,Mag 1300 "Reef Fast, You Crash, Reef Slow, You Pass" Mike's Reef 3:16 Current Tank Info: 350g DT,95g sump, 50g Frag tank, 4800gph return 4x Sea swirls. 6x AI Vega Color. 200# Pukani rock, dual recirculating skimmer, Biopellet, GFO Carbon rx's, Cal rx. Closed loop. 1.5hp chiller, genesis renew. Apex & RKE

04/24/2014, 12:45 AM	#19
bnumair Dr. Reef at ur service Join Date: May 2009 Location: Tulsa, Ok, USA Posts: 7,751 Blog Entries: 15	thats the only one i have personal experience with. if the origin of fin rot is bacterial then most antibiotics will work. __________________ Water Quality: NO3 0,Phos 0,Cal 440,Alk 7.5,Mag 1300 "Reef Fast, You Crash, Reef Slow, You Pass" Mike's Reef 3:16 Current Tank Info: 350g DT,95g sump, 50g Frag tank, 4800gph return 4x Sea swirls. 6x AI Vega Color. 200# Pukani rock, dual recirculating skimmer, Biopellet, GFO Carbon rx's, Cal rx. Closed loop. 1.5hp chiller, genesis renew. Apex & RKE

04/25/2014, 02:27 PM	#20
joshyross70 Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 394	Bought some pimafix and melafix today so we will see if it will help the fish. Parts of his fin were gone and he is not using the tail fin